Fire and Shadow by daw the minstrel
Lyllyn · 25 January 2004 · Chapter 6: Legolas's Story
I'm still reading eagerly and always disappointed that there isn't more. And you write such wonderful stories so fast! Very gripping! Is this why Legolas may be more predisposed than some to get along with Gimli?
Author's reply
Thank you, Lyllyn. I think that Legolas grew up in a part of ME where men, dwarves, and elves lived in close contact. That had to be rare and I think it had to affect him.
Tapetum Lucidum · 25 January 2004 · Chapter 6: Legolas's Story
Blinks really hard. Another update? Yeah! Poor Amdir! They leave him alone with Legolas for a little while and the prince suffers from some bizarre attack. He must have completely panicked. He was in enough trouble without killing Thranduil's youngest. The king's heart must have been in his throat when he walked in. At least Legolas could gasp out a few words to prevent the group from panicking completely. I hope he doesn't have to see those guards again any time soon. The truth comes out. Thranduil is right - he could have put himself and his fellow warriors in danger. I don't think he would have really returned to the patrol without his memory intact. I am glad the two of them could talk about it. You are never too old to need your Ada. I knew that temper was smoldering. He even threw Galelas in Eilian's face. I think he hit a nerve. Good job with that little confrontation. Beliond is a smart one and did the right thing dragging the elf off to the stream to soak his handsome head. I am glad he was at least planning on making peace with his hero, I mean his brother. Until he noticed the absense of the wayward warriors. Those two are more trouble than he and Turgon ever were. His little internal battle about signaling the others was excellent. I was glad the Warrior won over the Uncle. The section on trying to figure out exactly what the dragon was was very entertaining. It is nice to know that even the immortal don't quite know what is going on all the time. The section in the cave when he looked at the younger elves and knew they expected him to lead was great. I think I asked you earlier how he ended up in that situation and you explained it well. Watching the baby and mother burn must have completely devastated the young warrior. He did lead them into the situation and it is normal to feel guilty. Those are feelings that his entire family had had to deal with at one time or another and I hope they help him through this. His giving in to his father at the end of the chapter shows just how defeated he feels. Legolas never give in to the healers - not in anyone's stories. It was an excellent way to drive that home. I can't wait for Eilian and Legolas' confrontation. Eilian is mad over what happened but must feel extremely guilty that their last words were harsh ones. He must have known that Legolas was right - he was trying hard to protect him and Sinnarn. In doing so they ended up in worse danger. I am sure he is not too happy about that. At least they know what has stirred up the dwarves! ;-P
Author's reply
Yay, Tapetum. This was the hundredth review of this story at SoA. Thank you! I doubt very much if Legolas would ever have gotten as far as a patrol. For one thing, once he was back on his feet, Ithilden would expect him to report on the dwarves and dragons. That would have been a little awkward! I liked being able to show how Beliond and Legolas's relationship has changed. Legolas trusts Beliond and Beliond feels no need to take sides in the fight. All he has to do it make sure that Legolas doesn't get himself in trouble. A good, pratical, warrior's attitude, I think. When I looked up dragons in Tolkien, it looked to me as if they had not been around for a while so that even the senior warriors would not have seen them. To Legolas, they would be the stuff of legend I think. Of course, Smaug eventually arrives in the wood elves' back yard. And poor Legolas, winding up as the most senior warrior when he knew he didn't have a clue! Eilian will be home soon. He was due a leave and had to give it up to lead this special mission, so he can collect now.
Dot · 25 January 2004 · Chapter 6: Legolas's Story
Oh God, daw, that’s horrifying. No wonder he repressed it. I don’t even know where to start with this chapter – it was just so gripping, and so vivid. Thranduil’s reaction was written brilliantly. His reactions as a father take over his shock and he sends for the healer, but can read Legolas well enough to know that he should give him a chance to explain why he is refusing a healer’s help. He’s so utterly stunned by Legolas’ admission. I suppose in a way it must be difficult for him to come to terms with the fact that even he, as Legolas’ father, hadn’t realised this. His anger is so believable and completely understandable. As much as I can see why Legolas wanted to try to remember on his own, and was afraid that he would be kept from going back on patrol, he really should have known better than to keep this from everyone. Of course, it sounds so logical when Thranduil says it but while he was lost in his own thoughts, Legolas probably couldn’t really judge properly the repercussions if he kept his problem to himself. Such a touching picture of Legolas gripping Thranduil’s arm, as though to hold onto reality as he allowed himself to face what had happened. It’s good to see what actually happened between Legolas and Eilian, having already seen it from Amdir’s point of view. I do think that Eilian seems to be using his position as captain to avoid unwelcome questions from his younger brother, though. Where would Legolas be without Beliond?! Probably sent home for arguing with Eilian…. I love the way Legolas tries to work out what happened as he attempts to find Sinnarn and Amdir. It’s so amazingly detailed. Then that moment when he realises that their foe is a dragon was... I knew it was a dragon and still my jaw dropped! I really felt for Legolas during these scenes. He is in a new and terrifying situation and it’s enthralling to watch him battle his rising hysteria and ignore any self doubts. It honestly seems to me that he did the best he could possibly do in such an unpredictable situation. He thought he was trying to protect a family. He could never have known what would happen. Yeah, maybe he should have waited for the rest of the elves but the dragon knew the dwarves were there anyway and would still have been hovering – it just might have attacked the elves instead. That horrible, sickening moment when the mother and child go up in flames and the father cries out…it’s too awful to even contemplate. You handled it really well, daw. It’s just one terrible moment when all else stops. I completely see why no one would discuss it. No one should ever have to witness something like that. In a way I was glad to see Legolas weeping so hard. After going through what he did, it’s exactly what he needs. *sigh* And if ever there was proof for Thranduil and his sons that they can’t shelter Legolas and Sinnarn from the evil of this world, I guess this is it. “You can call the healer now, Adar. He can give me whatever drugs he likes.” I feel so bad for Legolas, that he has to begin to deal with this. Thranduil will never let him block out what happened with medicines. I’m really interested to see what happens now! Great chapter, daw. I wish I could have written a more coherent review but I think I’m still a little in shock!:)
Author's reply
I was horrified and I wrote it. Legolas's revelation must have been shocking for Thranduil, although he certainly knew that something was wrong, given the nightmares that Legolas was having. And so his reactin is complex: he's the one who supports this young elf as well as the one who tries to teach him right from wrong. And it quickly become clear to him that the real need is for support. Eilian is wrong in his treatment of Legolas, but it's not Legolas's place to tell him. He'll figure it out. I felt bad for Legolas suddenly thrust into the role of the most senior warrior present with a dragon breathing down their necks. He knew he didn't know what to do and he still had to be the one to decide. And you're right: no sleeping draught forthcoming. The healer and Adar both know that Legolas needs to come to terms with what happened. Your review was wonderfully coherent. Thank you for it.
Karri · 25 January 2004 · Chapter 6: Legolas's Story
Woo! Daw finally clues us in. Thanks. I agree with Thranduil that Legolas could not have done more to try to save the dwarves. I feel horrible for the dwarves. In a way its nicer that the father died too, rather than suffer. I disagree that Legolas's action were worthy of discipline. He didn't disobey orders, but did his best to take control of a bad situation that was not of his making. I agree with Legolas that Eilian behaved badly as his commanding officers. Men have a duty to follows orders, but commanding officers have a duty to treat their men fairly, and based on the chapters up to this point, I don't think Eilian treated Legolas fairly. Its true Sinnarn and Amdir are green warriors, but Legolas has earned his stripes and deserved to be treated accordingly. To be honest the militancy of your universe has always bothered me a bit, but that's neither here nor there. Well, I suppose that enough. Thanks for not making us wait any longer.
Author's reply
Legolas's guilt was always for what happened rather than for his own actions. He just didn't know it. As Ithilden told him, he might have used better judgment at the start and told Eilian right away, but that's all. That's a sharp observation about Eilian as commander. I think he needs someone to talk sense to him just as much as Legolas did!
Lera · 25 January 2004 · Chapter 6: Legolas's Story
I reread the second paragraph in my last review and couldn't understand it either. Sorry. Oh, man. No wonder Legolas didn't remember, what a horrible thing to have happen. Oh, how awful. I'm so glad he had his ada to hold him. But I don't understand Amdir! He and Sinnarn didn't bring the dragon to the cave. The dragon was already hunting the dwarf family. But you shouldn't be able to go through this and not feel awful about it, no matter what your part was. Amdir didn't seem upset at all, he was practically flippant! I'd like to think he isn't that unfeeling. Adios
Author's reply
You are so right. Legolas is lucky to have Thranduil in this. He's seen a lot in his long life, including some pretty grim things, I'll bet. Legolas will take a while to heal and then build up his strength again before he goes back on active duty, so Thranduil will have time to be with him. I think that Amdir didn't see much because he was farther away from the cave. And I think he's someone who hides his upset. I also think that he and Sinnarn have had several weeks to deal with this because they've been conscious all the time. So I guess I'm trying to excuse him. :-)
Jay of Lasgalen · 25 January 2004 · Chapter 6: Legolas's Story
Ai, poor Legolas! And poor dwarves. No wonder he lost his memory of events - and had such a shock when he remembered. What a horrible thing to witness - and how much did the others see? And I understand now why Amdir and Sinnarn are in so much trouble - what were they thinking of? (as their superior officers might say). Will Ithilden have to discipline his own son? That would be interesting to see! Thank you for the swift update - I read the earlier chapter this morning, but did not have time to review it! Jay
Author's reply
I think Ithilden has already disciplined his son. I think the transfer to the Home Guard was probably at Eilian's behest but at Ithilden's doing, and I doubt he did it without comment. I figure Amdir and Sinnarn were farther away from the cave and didn't see the mother and child, although they arrived in time to see the father's reaction and to see him burn. :-(
naneth · 25 January 2004 · Chapter 6: Legolas's Story
I think I am still in shock from this chapter. It was written perfectly. The horror of the story was balanced by the love, tenderness, and care between Thranduil and Legolas. Wow, Legolas has a lot of healing still to do, and I think that the physical aspect of the healing will be the least bothersome. Poor baby! I just want to give him a big hug. Thranduil has a lot of work to do with his youngest. Well written, Daw! And SO quickly!! You know that we weren't *really* upset with you for that last cliff-hanger, right???? We all love your work so much that we just never want to see it end. Greedy little things, aren't we??
Author's reply
Thank goodness for Thranduil. In his thousands of years, he's seen it all and gained a lot of wisdom. Legolas is lucky to have him. I had a lot of this chapter written from the start of the story because I needed to take a chunk of chapter 1 from it, and I drafted it and chapter 5 together because they needed to fit together. I kept going back and revising 5 as I worked on 6, so 6 was ready quickly. I assume that my readers were upset in a good kind of way. :-0
sol3 · 25 January 2004 · Chapter 6: Legolas's Story
Oh ow.... Some tragedies unfold as they will, no matter how we try to alter them. Poor...well, poor everyone. The loss of the dwarves would have come in exactly the same manner, had Legolas been there or had he not; the crying child told the dragon where to search for them before the elves had any impact on the scene. That tragedy was already in motion and could not be stopped. The only change in outcome I could see is if the pair of Teenage Twits hadn't acted in a manner to pull the elves into the events of the evening. That events are beyond our influence is a hard lesson to learn, especially when one tends to assume responsibility for all events within reach, as poor Legolas tends to do. But I know such grief and guilt is damn hard to get past. 'If only I'd' is one of the cruelest mental paths to follow. Cheers for Legolas actually asking for help and comfort, and for Thranduil to offer it without judgment. That relationship seems to be becoming much closer. Very graphic chapter, very painful, very powerful. The only thing you didn't include was the unique smell of burning people. But the words and images are powerful enough for today, and I'll remember the smell for everybody else. And thank you for not turning Beliond into one of the Crispy Critters :) Sol3 (who is supposed to be typing the work that pays real money right now).
Author's reply
I am wrung out from putting poor Legolas through this emotional upheaval. Now I need to get him some comfort from those who love him! I too think Legolas is to be commended for telling his story to his father. I think that Thranduil is willing to let Ithilden and Eilian deal with Legolas the warrior while he comforts Legolas the son.
Dot · 25 January 2004 · Chapter 5: Amdir's Story
Yay, he’s remembered! What happened was obviously horrific so I do feel bad for being delighted but I can’t help feeling much better now that he knows. I mean, I don’t know yet what happened and I’m dying to know but Legolas knows so I know I’ll know soon and that makes me feel less stressed, y’know?! Amdir really is cheerful! I thought his parents became really strict with him after Turgon’s death? I suppose that wouldn’t last very long if they weren’t really those kinds of parents in the first place. He doesn’t seem necessarily cut out to be a warrior. Maybe his friends were becoming warriors and maybe the dark times in Mirkwood took the choice not to become a warrior out of the hands of many elves but it seems he might have found something to which he was better suited – like a cook! As long as he didn’t have to do the washing up… Such a touching insight into Legolas’ reasons for trying to guide Amdir along the right path. Obviously he feels responsible because Turgon died as a result of the two of them being where they shouldn’t and I always figured he must miss him, even though they don’t speak of him very much but the idea that Turgon was his friend right back to even before his mother’s death really struck a chord with me. We all have friends who we met at different times of our life but I know that there are very few who’ve known me for as long as I can remember and even if I don’t see them very often it’s still quite a special relationship. It’s more poignant for Legolas because Turgon represents his childhood, before so much changed. Annael has gone through life with him and knows him like a brother but he probably always sees Turgon as the impish elfling who was full of laughter and fun and never short of ideas for mischief and was there even more so than Annael as Legolas tested the boundaries of Thranduil’s rules. But he never had a chance to prove that there might be more to him, unlike Legolas, who was given that chance and probably feels added guilt for it. Oops, I’m rambling again… It seems things aren’t going as well for Legolas as he assumed they would under Eilian’s leadership. It must hurt to know that his beloved brother still won’t risk sending him into danger, even though he has proved himself. It’s interesting, though, as I seem to remember Eilian feeling the same way as Legolas when Ithilden refused to let him scout. Ithilden thinks that Dwarves are interesting, does he?! Fair enough but possibly the wrong thing to say in front of his curious young son… I love the way Legolas totally dismisses this as just one of Ithilden’s “quirks” – as though he’s slightly mad to think such a thing! And I can imagine Thranduil would have a thing or two to say if he heard his grandson wanting to talk to the Dwarves! This is such a wonderful character chapter! I love all the little insights you give by choosing a relative outsider to tell his story, but still someone close enough to Legolas & co. to judge their reactions. Amdir thinks it’s Ithilden who is strict with Sinnarn? If he is it’s probably because he know the demands put on all of Thranduil’s family and is likely scared witless by any sign of recklessness in such dangerous times. I have this horrible feeling that you’re going to kill off poor Sinnarn one of these days;) LOL! The Dwarf ran off with his sword! It’s so comical the way the two elves rush in all heroic and then stand there at a total loss as to what to do while Amdir is struggling to register the fact that Dwarves have children and there’s one sitting in front of him. Still, though, what a clever way to show how terrifying the whole situation is – the absolute panic of the child. So Legolas went after them? He must have been wondering where they were and heard Amdir’s signal. But I bet Eilian doesn’t know where he is either…. Oh, he’ll think Legolas purposely disobeyed him out of anger! The ending was brilliant! Amdir must be really frightened by Legolas’ reaction. His story is up next, right?! Bring it on! Whenever you’re ready, of course…No pressure…;)
Author's reply
Dot--I just wrote a long reply to your wonderful review and then I destroyed it somehow! Ack! Mostly I was rambling about Legolas's brothers. I think that Legolas and Eilian need to work out a grown up relationship that will still keep the special tie they have and they haven't done it yet. And I think that Ithilden is a smart and independent guy, even though he does serve Thranduil so faithfully. And now I should tell you that I just posted chapter 6. Legolas's memory is back, more's the pity.
Lera · 25 January 2004 · Chapter 5: Amdir's Story
My heart was pounding toward the end! Wow. What a weird thought: dwarf children. I can't even picture it. I thank God you're a fast updater. That's my one comfort every time you leave one of these horrible cliffhangers. So I guess Legolas followed Amdir and Sinnarn, and was Beliond with him? Someone had to get Eilien and the troops(since Amdir and Sinnarn didn't!) but maybe the dragon flew over them first so they saw it and got there on their own. Or maybe Beliond did go back to get the troops and told them all to stay in the cave but Legolas realised he should get out and shoot, and Beliond got burned because he was trying to get to the cave where Legolas was and that's why Legolas feels guilty-ahhhhhhhh! My mind can't take it! *clutches head, while falling to knees to pray for chapter 6!* Ok. I'm curious to see how the whole Legolas and Eilien conflict will work out. Amdir was smart not to get involved in that fight! I can see why Legolas is jealous of Galelas; Eilien is treating him the way he should be treating Legolas. It was interesting how Legolas wouldn't say anything rude about Eilien. If Eilien keeps Legolas always sitting around in camp for much longer, Eilien may find Legolas the ringleader of captain complaints. The paralells between Sinnarn and Amdir, and Legolas and Turgon are interesting. Great chapter as usual. I think I'm going to go try to draw a dwarf family and see what I come up with. That is just something I've never thought about. Ciao.
Author's reply
Lera, I'm not even sure what you SAID in paragraph 2, but I am grateful you are reading and finding the story exciting. Legolas is a good and responsible warrior, but Eilian needs to see that. He can't expect Legolas to be more adult about this than he is willing to be himself. The royal family must be fervently hoping that Amdir's family takes a ship west any day now!
bryn · 25 January 2004 · Chapter 5: Amdir's Story
...In which I finally get off my duff and leave a long-overdue review... I love the way you've written the timeline in this tale. Flashforewards and flashbacks--it reminds me of the movie Momento. Actually, I shouldn't say that because I haven't actually seen that movie. Rather, it reminds me of what I've heard about the movie Momento. You've taken a refreshing and novel approach to the art of storytelling. Yay daw!!! :) (And we, your fans, rejoice.) I'm anxiously awaiting the reaction of Legolas' family when they learn of his memory loss. Shame on him for not telling them! I know he's trying to be all Elf-Warriorly, but... *snort* Isn't he going to cause MORE harm if there's something wrong with his head? Brave Legolas the Elf-Warrior... Who cannot remember what the purpose of his mission is, who he's with, or where ON ARDA he's at ('Is this tree familiar because I've seen it before, or because I've passed it already...? I don't quite recall...'). Amnesiac border guards really aren't going to help the situation in Mirkwood. Throw him into some girl's closet, and you've got a helpless Leggy Sue on hand. *shudder* Ughhhh. I love Sinnarn, he seems a happier version of Eilian. And Amdir--oh his poor parents. He's going to come home one day to discover they've fled West. I like how you've portrayed Legolas' unofficial guardianship. It adds a bit more conflict. *lol* Also liked Sinnarn's comments about how Ithilden thinks the Dwarves are interesting, and Legolas' ensuing eye roll. Ithilden seems to be the one most grounded in this tale. And Eilian... Eilian, Eilian, Eilian. *shakes head* He's gone rather snappish. He needs a good kick in the head, if you ask me. Either that, or he needs to get--on second thought, I won't type that rather inappropriate comment. *snicker* Come back, Celuwen! Ai! What happened to the baby Dwarf! And Beliond? How's the old stiff doing?
Author's reply
Bryn, you are bad! While I think you may be right about Eilian, you have put an image in my head that is making it hard for me to concentrate on writing the next chapter. :-) I think of Ithilden as a smart and relatively open-minded leader. Thranduil is very lucky to have him and his son has learned some things from him. When Sinnarn finally grows up, he will be an elf worth knowing. Legolas is not going to be able to continue the charade after his current panic attack. Adar is on his way down the hall even as I type.
Estel_Mi_Olor · 25 January 2004 · Chapter 5: Amdir's Story
Yay, the mystery is slowly being solved. No wonder Eilian reassigned them. I'd kick them out of the realm. I see I'm going to have to wait another chapter to find out what Legolas's part in this incident was. Great chapter!!! Keep writing!
Author's reply
Now, now, Amdir and Sinnarn were irresponsible and Eilian probably got grey hairs (if Elves do that) but they weren't so bad! Legolas's story is coming right up.
Jebb · 25 January 2004 · Chapter 5: Amdir's Story
Oh dear! So now he knows and probably wishes he didn't I like that Sinnarn is showing an interest in dwarves fostered by Ithlian. Also like the different take that we got through Amdir's eyes of Legolas as a warrior. LOL at the thought of Eilian having to go back to Ada without the information he wants! How true This is a truly fascinating story that keeps me wondering just what is going to happen.
Author's reply
Ithilden is a smart, open-minded leader and his son has learned some things from him that Thranduil didn’t teach. If Sinnarn lives long enough, he will be an Elf worth knowing! Amdir’s admiration of Legolas is nice to write about. Legolas deserves that!
erunyauve · 25 January 2004 · Chapter 5: Amdir's Story
Well, Amdir has some sense - even he knew better than to get involved with the quarrel between Legolas and Eilian. I can also see how Sinnarn and Amdir ended up in the Home Guard - if I were Ithilden, I'm not sure I would ever let them out of it. Honestly! What if orcs had come along while they were swimming - I have a feeling they would have done more than steal a sword. It did occur to me that Legolas should have been more creative when he had Amdir at Imladris. He should have arranged a cook-off marathon between Amdir and Sam and wouldn't have had any trouble with Amdir.
Author's reply
LOL. Amdir stays well away from Legolas's relatives if he can. They are all scary, so far as he is concerned. And the Home Guard is a good place for Amdir. I think it's kind of too bad that he's a disaster as a warrior but the strict discipline of the military is probably good for him. Maybe he'll actually learn something! I want to taste his cooking, actually. I wonder what Elves consider good cooking?
Camp6311 · 25 January 2004 · Chapter 5: Amdir's Story
So Legolas has his memory back, your readers aren't so lucky, we were left somewhat hanging. (not sure if lucky is the right word from the apparant horror on Legolas' face) I just shake my head at Amdir. Eilian's last orders were to stay close to camp, keep your weapons close at hand and be prepared, and Amdir thinks he didn't violate orders 'that much'. I wonder what he would consider much to be! Eilian obviously doesn't want to find out. And in case you've forgotten, Ithilden is still down in the forests near Dol Guldur. I will be glad when he is home safe and sound (or at least back to camp), but I am sure you have horrors in store for him too.
Author's reply
We'll hear Legolas's memories in the next chapter. :-( Amdir is lucky that he got transferred and not left in Eilian's hands. That might have been painful! And I haven't forgotten Ithilden. I need to get Legolas's story out in the open and then we will hear from him again. I thought that most readers had forgotten him though!
ANA · 24 January 2004 · Chapter 5: Amdir's Story
Legolas' heart wasn't the only one pounding. So was mine when I came to the end of the chapter and I heard myself saying, more, more, more, please Daw. Was Legolas trying to protect the dwarves in the cave, with the help of Sinnarn and Amdir, only things didn't go quite as planned? Though if they can aleady hear the dragon, then they really didn't have much time to plan or to seek extra help. Really hope you update again soon (I know, getting greedy here) so I can stop driving myself mad with all this guessing. Great chapter and Amdir, well, one really doesn't know whether to hug him or smack some sense into him. Maybe both.
Author's reply
I'm so glad you found this exciting! These chapters are long by my standards, about 5000 words, so I guess it's a good thing if people don't want them to end. At least they're not boring. You're pretty good at guessing on your own anyway. And what Amdir really needs is for the Shadow to go away so he can swim and cook and just be a Wood-elf. Poor baby.
LKK · 24 January 2004 · Chapter 5: Amdir's Story
Well! That was just plain MEAN of you, daw! To end with a cliffhanger like that. Cruel, mean authoress. We hatess her, my preciousss. We hatesss her! Um, sorry about that. This was a fascinating chapter. I found Amdir's view of responsibility to be almost irresponsible. I'm surprised he made it through warrior's training, to be honest. I don't remember Turgon being quite as bad as his younger brother in terms of how he perceived his duties and responsibilities. However, Amdir does have one point correct, I suspect. If Legolas is as good a scout as Amdir believes (and he probably is) than Eilian should use his warrior talents. I know it must be difficult for Eilian to do that, but he of all people should understand, I would think. Of course, it's not my younger brother I'm sending into danger, so what do I know? Now, as for that chapter ending .... I'm guessing that someone discovered Amdir and Sinnarn's absence. Legolas, perhaps? More guessing, Legolas went to look for them. If he went alone without alerting others that could explain why he may receive disciplinary action. Of course, Legolas' absence would be noticed by his keeper and the rest of the camp which would bring them to the cave as well. So? Am I close? Good chapter, daw. Despite the mean ending. ;-) LKK
Author's reply
See, I thought by this point everyone would know what had happened anyway! I think maybe because I do? ;-) But you are awfully close on the ending, I have to admit. Amdir is so bad! Sweet but bad. But he admires Legolas and he has a clearer view of him that Eilian does in some ways, I think.
Aly · 24 January 2004 · Chapter 5: Amdir's Story
AHHH!!!! To leave it like that is just cruel! I need to know what's going on in Legolas' head NOW! *LOL* Someone really needs to take Amdir and beat some sense into that kid, AND his parents. Did they not learn anything from loosing Turgon? You would think that loosing a child because of his rebeliousness and laxidazical attitude towards authority would have made them look at their parenting styles. Especially if/when you start seeing the same signs in your other child. Oh well, wouldn't be the story with out him. ;)
Author's reply
We will hear Legolas's story in the next chapter, which is well started. It had to be congruent with this one so I mostly drafted them together. But I need to let readers catch up too. ;-) Amdir and Turgon are much alike, sweet and totally irresponsible. They would be good Wood-elves in times of peace (let's dance in the woods, tra-la) and are a disaster in times of trouble. And they are both very useful for authors!
The Karenator · 24 January 2004 · Chapter 5: Amdir's Story
Whoa! Professor Swift Nerd, I did not even get to review the last chapter! However, I'm not complaining. What a nice surprise to get the notice of a new chapter. And such a good one. Amdir really is a newer version of Turgon, isn't he? Despite his undisciplined behavor, he seems to have the same affectionate and kind qualites that made it hard to stay mad at Turgon. And Sinnarn is facing many of the same problems with Amdir that Legolas faced with Turgon...bad judgment with a smile on his face is only one of them. The honeymoon is certainly over for Legolas serving under Eilian. It looks like Legolas will alter his opinion of Eilian before Eilian alters his opinion of Legolas. Things are a bit tense. The thieving drawf was unexpected. No matter how much animosity there may be between the Elves and the dwarves, it's hard not to sympathize with parents trying to protect their young. It was certainly an eye opener for the two young guys. However, this new view of the dwarves will carry a high price. Now that Legolas has all the pieces of the puzzle, it looks like the memory is more than he bargained for. Not the child, Daw! It's a rule that if you kill off children or pets then you are automatically a villian. We don't want to have to tar and feather you! Not you! I suppose this means I'll have to wait until you and Legolas get around to telling us what happened...and good reason to hope that you will still be Professor Swift Nerd. :>) GOOD chapter. Just how long do you think it'll take you to get up chapter six? :>) Karen
Author's reply
Amdir is a charming problem. If I were Ithilden, I'd be making sure that he and Sinnarn do not get assigned together again. And yet, you can see they would miss one another. It must get lonely being away from home, and a friend is important. Good observation about Legolas and Eilian. Yes, the honeymoon is over. We'll see if the two of them manage to work things out. The dwarf needed a weapon to defend his family. That seems to me to be a good excuse. As for the horror that Legolas remembers, well, it needed to be horrible to justify all this buildup. I'm sorry. :-(
Tapetum Lucidum · 24 January 2004 · Chapter 5: Amdir's Story
That was great! You did leave us with a little cliffie but it wasn't too painful. Amdir sounds a lot like Turgon. He is still in denial that he did anything wrong. I would think being re-assigned is a pretty strong disciplinary method for the elves and he isn't even phased. I knew Legolas was trying to look out for the wild elfling. It is too big a job for anyone - even Beliond, Maltanaur and Nithron combined. Legolas is getting a little too good at pumping his fellow warriors for info. Spying? Elves of the Woodland Realm? Never! Sounds like Eilian is treating Galelas the way he should treat Legolas. You know younger brother is going to get annoyed very soon. Waiting back at camp can only be tolerated for so long. It must have been disconcerting for the elves to come upon evidence of a forest fire and not know the cause. That must not happen very often. Legolas thinks the world of Eilian and he has been very patient serving under him so far. I guess he is at the end of his rope and Beliond knows this. I was glad his keeper kept him from speaking out of turn, at least for a little while. We have seen his Thranduilish temper flare before and it is not pretty when it is unleashed. Amdir is a lot of fun! He loves to cook and have a good time. He tries to avoid the menial tasks as much as possible and what could be wrong with a quick swim in a waterfall? I was glad to find out that they didn't sneak off in search of trouble. One event kind of stumbled into the next. I loved Amdir's dwarven expletives! They were very clever. Using the dwarf to lure them away from the waterfall was clever, then to make them look ridiculous for their show of force was good for them. Judging from Legolas' panicked reaction, there is a lot more to the story (I hope!) Great one! Tapetum
Author's reply
You are nice and patient. I seem to have roused a few of my readers. That's good, I guess. They don't know where I live, after all. Eilian is coaxing Galelas along and it must be making Legolas crazy. He's about had it with Eilian's keeping him at camp. Maybe it would be best if he gets transfered anyway. Amdir is not so bad as a person or friend, but man is he a pain as a warrior. Of course, for all I know, he can kick Orcs from here to Dol Guldur. I think there will be three more chapters after this one. The next one is the one with the information and then there will need to be some unwinding. Glad you're enjoying it.
naneth · 24 January 2004 · Chapter 5: Amdir's Story
Daw, I swear that you have developed an evil streak that I don't remember being quite so severe in your other stories. You seem to have a rampant case of the dreaded "evil cliffhanger" syndrome! You give us just enough information to make reaching the end of the chapter even more torture to your poor readers. That was well done. I can't wait for more!
Author's reply
I'm glad you were tortured, I guess. ;-) This whole story is one big cliffhanger. I hadn't realized that when I started. But in the next chapter, we get Legolas's returning memory and then there's only the sorting out of consequences. I think 3 chapters after this and that's all.
Nilmandra · 24 January 2004 · Chapter 5: Amdir's Story
The Eilian-Legolas scene, where Amdir is noting that Eilian is not using Legolas's skills reminds me of when Ithilden went to the Southern Patrol and found Eilian behaving recklessly and sent him home. The captain, it was Todith, I believe, was looking forward to Eilian getting past that part of his grief, and Ithilden sort of refused to see Eilian's gifts at all. History repeats itself - now Eilian is in Ithilden's position and must learn to see Legolas as a warrior and not just his little brother!
Author's reply
You know, I thought of that too! But hey, if a scene works well once, maybe it will work again. Thank you for all your help on this. I think 6 will be better for your suggestions.
Dot · 24 January 2004 · Chapter 4: Ithilden's Story
And did you tell your beta what happens??! *dreams up ways to bribe Nilmandra* Ah now, I really do have sympathy for Legolas. I’d just find it easier to feel sorry for him if he’d admit that he can’t remember so that they could all help by telling him exactly what happened….Yes? Hmm. I didn’t think that’d work but it was worth a shot…..;) Those dreams seem to be getting more vivid – and a little bit clearer as well, rather than just muddled events. I really thought the two figures were Sinnarn and Amdir until I read further. Now I’m confused again. Unless, maybe it was Beliond and they went to his aid, or at least Sinnarn did, getting burnt in the process but not as bad as Beliond…Now, why would Beliond be in the cave in the first place….. *mind explodes from overuse* I really like how at ease Legolas is in Ithilden’s presence and how comfortable he is with him. He seems so capable that he really inspires faith. It’s as though he will always make things alright. I thought the flashback really showed the makings of a great leader in Ithilden – even just the way he knew immediately how to deal with Suldur and Anilith and never let his own doubts show. The Orc battle was incredibly well written – so tense! Wow, praise from Beliond! It’s so sweet to see how pleased Ithilden is as well! “I will tell you though, I would not have Nithron’s job for any kind of reward”. LOL! Ah sure, isn’t it reward in itself to be looking after one of Thranduil’s sons? Although, he might not think so while lying in the infirmary with burnt arms. I’ve forgotten how that happened – remind me again…?! So, Ithilden is telling Legolas that Nithron was hurt while guarding him…just as Beliond was hurt while guarding Legolas…but it’s part of their job and they know that and so Legolas shouldn’t feel guilty…but Ithilden didn’t feel guilty…because it wasn’t his fault…then why would everyone assume that Legolas feels guilty over Beliond? Because it is Legolas’ fault that Beliond is hurt… And then Ithilden came so close to realising what Legolas is hiding! If one more person knocks at that door during an important conversation, I think I might just get violent. *breathes deeply and places every ounce of hope in Amdir*
Author's reply
OK, Dot. I just have to look at Nilmandra's typo corrections and I'm going to post chapter 5 and Amdir is going to tell everything he knows. We're getting there! Ithilden is a natural born leader, I think, but he still must feel some pressure, poor baby. He's lucky to have Alfirin. I'm going to go look at those beta comments now. :-)
Lera · 24 January 2004 · Chapter 4: Ithilden's Story
Oh, that was harsh! Stopping right when he's about to find out what happened! Mean, mean, mean! I'm really enjoying younger Ithilden. He's really a sweetheart. I'd always feel safe around him. I think maybe he needs a sweet little daughter to cuddle. And Sinnarn could use a sister to rough him up. I love Sinnarn! I forgot to say in my review on the last chapter, I was really glad he was being mature enough to admit that Eilien was right about whatever happened. A little thing like that shows that no matter what he did, he'll turn out all right in the end. When Beliond told Ithilden he wouldn't want Nithron's job for anything, my reaction was the same as Legolas's. Personally I wouldn't want the job either. Well... Hehehe, Amdir. I thought it was cool he was happy to see Legolas. Even though he finds Legolas bossy, I bet he sort of likes the attention. Great chapter as usual. God bless.
Author's reply
I'm sorry! I promise that in the next chapter Amdir will tell everything he knows. How's that? :-) I think if I lived in Mirkwood, I'd want Ithilden running the troops. He's so competent. And he's lucky in his wife. She tries to make sure that there are things in his life that are not so serious too. Sinnarn will be fine, just as you say. He's a good kid at heart. He's just young. And I think that Amdir admires Legolas and is flattered by the attention. I even have to believe that Legolas's attention sometimes does some good although you can't always see it. On the other hand, if I were Ithilden and Alfirin, I'd want Amdir shipped to an outpost that kept an eye on Radagast the Brown or something, anywhere so long as it was far from Sinnarn!
LKK · 23 January 2004 · Chapter 4: Ithilden's Story
Legolas is getting close to remembering. His family is on the edge of discovering there's a problem other than physical. I can't wait to see who reaches the truth first. Ithilden did very well in his first two tests as captain. He handled the personnel issue and the battle situation very intelligently. I can see why Thranduil relys on him so much now. It's not just because he is the oldest child, as I had thought. I had the same reaction Legolas had to Beliond's statement about not wanting Nithron's job for any kind of reward. I laughed out loud. Great chapter, daw. I'm looking forward to an undrugged Legolas hopefully remembering more than what we readers already know! LKK
Author's reply
Things will unravel soon. Amdir is about to spill everything he knows. Thranduil is exceedingly lucky to have Ithilden and fortunately he knows it. But Ithilden is lucky to have Alfirin to soften his life a little. And Thranduil lost much the same kind of influence when Lorellin died. Legolas sort of served the same purpose when he was little and Sinnarn may do so now. Poor Thranduil!