Spring Awakenings by daw the minstrel

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Elena Tiriel · 17 April 2004 · Chapter 10: Good Neighbors

Wow, Legolas is so good with those children! And the way Talet acted like a big brother to Astiaa is delightful! Rodien has definite priorities, doesn't he? Weapons and war! Legolas did well, trying to redirect his love of weapons to hunting rather than warring... not that it will do any good! Ack, those thieves! How stupid can you get, to bring the pilfered goods from a prior theft back to the scene of the crime? (It was good for the settlers, though.) But the boat does explain how they were so effectively able to disappear as soon as they got to water the first time... Way to go, Legolas! Very effective and clever take-down of the thieves. Good thinking -- that rescuing the meat was higher priority than stopping the fleeing culprits. (Or even rescuing the drowning culprit.) And even feeling slightly guilty for wanting to treat them roughly... I'm glad Beliond showed up, though Legolas did not need him to handle the thieves. Or the settlers. (But he was a great help with Tinar, was he not?) (Legolas: No, Beliond, it's only a scratch. Really! I know I always say that, but it's *really true* this time! Honest!) I'm a little confused by Beliond's comment about the hunters that he waylaid. Why did he think that they were being "deliberately deceptive" about directing him to the Men's settlement, when the Elven settlement is next to it? Is it just because of his prejudice toward Men, or am I missing something else? Good thing Beliond brought waybread, so there was something the children could eat without cooking. Just imagine trying to get Rodien to eat raw carrots, or worse yet, dried ones! When Legolas went back to the Men's village, it was good how he said that Tuilinn needed help and why, but didn't sound like he was overtly criticizing. But I bet that Crydus will never again leave that aspect of security to Anyr, if a similar situation should arise. That little diplomatic dance about mutual assistance instead of "Trade" was well-done. Legolas and Crydus sure picked up fast on Galivion's train of thought. Anyr was, as usual, oblivious (as I would be in such a situation...) Beliond was... pure, unadulterated Beliond. I love that guy! Crydus is great! I liked how he suggested the shared hunting in a way that Anyr would catch on. And Legolas' suggestion of putting the fresh meat in the Elven settlement's flet, and having the Men supply the guards was *extremely* elegant. (Crydus definitely understands his cohort's limitations all too well... very clever fellow.) One of the many things I really enjoy about your story-telling style is all the little details you write that help to make up the big picture. But it was a surprise to find out what so many of those little details were foreshadowing: Tuilinn having gone home. That was very sly of you! Poor Legolas! Well, at least Beliond is there. He's probably sympathetic in his own undemonstrative way.

Author's reply

What a lovely long review! One of my theories is that Elves like children, and Legolas is no exception. And I enjoyed writing about him with them. He seemed very sweet and fatherly. I figured the thieves would be on their way to sell their loot so they had the meat with them. And really, I needed it to be recovered because I had made these people so short of food. What I meant when Beliond says that the Men were deliberately deceptive was that he wanted to go to the Elven settlement and they directed him to their own village so he would help there. But they are close together, that's true, so it could have been an accident that Beliond wound up with the Men first. He doesn't think it is though! Beliond was fun to write about in this chapter. He's so crabby that he makes great comic relief. I almost could not stop myself from having him climb the tree and kick Tinar out of it. I'm smiling as I think of it. Tuilinn was doomed to leave with no forwarding address from the minute I started the story, but even if Legolas doesn't know where she it, I do, so maybe I'll bring her back some day. No one hated her too much yet. ;-)

Bodkin · 17 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

I cannot resist any longer the wish to tell you how much I love your Mirkwood royal family. Lovely stuff.

Author's reply

Thank you, Bodkin. And I cannot resist telling you that I have your picture up as the background on my computer. It's so beautiful! daw

Dot · 17 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

The long-awaited chapter, and it’s all I’d hoped for and more besides! I tell you, I wouldn’t have liked to be writing this in the face of such demanding readers! What a joy to see Eilian so much in love. I had to laugh at the way he gets so frustrated when he can’t undo her buttons! I cannot believe Ithilden walked in on them! That’s so funny. I’m guessing there’s not too much that would make Ithilden stutter and flush. It struck me as totally hilarious the way he wouldn’t even turn around. I LOVED his reaction, though. He appeared to be thoroughly enjoying the moment once he recovered from the shock. I’m more glad than I can say that he has not only accepted what has happened, but he seems genuinely pleased for them. Maybe, like us, he’s just been waiting for them to get together for sooo long;) “If Ithilden was too cowardly to tell Thranduil what he had found in Eilian’s chamber, then he was anticipating an even stronger reaction from Thranduil than Eilian had been worried about.” Hmmn, I don’t think that’s it – it’s not Ithilden’s place to tell their father, and I rather think he could have been looking forward to a spectacle… “They all turned to him, their faces ready with cheerful welcomes home, and then, abruptly they froze, and he saw knowledge blossoming in their gazes.” LOL! That was brilliant. And I love that Ithilden is just watching the whole thing unfold. That’s interesting, the way Eilian is dismayed that Legolas is not there. Of course, he probably could rely on Legolas but so far no-one but Thranduil seems overly critical. I think that if Legoals were there, he’d be trying just as hard as the others not to say too much in front of Thranduil. How do you manage to keep it all straight? I’d totally forgotten that Eilian didn’t know Legolas was away… “I suppose I should not be surprised, although I had hoped you were at last growing up, Eilian.” *cringe* He says that a lot. If I were Eilian I’d be very hurt to be constantly put down like that. It’s one of the very few things that bother me about Thranduil, probably because in many ways it’s such an empty insult and almost beneath him. Plus, it’s something that Eilian could never argue without actually sounding like a child. I’m glad Thranduil was civil to Celuwen and had the grace to welcome her to the family. Wow, Celuwen has no qualms about standing up for herself! She seems to be well aware of what’s going on but has no time for games. She’s not at all arrogant, though – just practical. No wonder they all like her! “She ladled some into a bowl, started to offer it to Celuwen, and then suddenly looked intently at her”. Ah, Alfirin has seen what the others have not yet. Alfirin seemed troubled by their actions at first but it seems to me that it’s the realisation that Celuwen was fading that marks her acceptance and determination to make Celuwen feel welcome. Of course, she knows exactly what life is like in the king’s household! “Legolas knew his duty and was happy to do it.” Ouch. I could be wrong, but I think Thranduil has been very shaken by what has happened and is grasping at ways to make his anger felt without having properly processed the situation. I’d hate to be the others having to eat porridge amidst all this tension. I have to say, though, daw – I’m still laughing at the way Thranduil maintains (with a straight face too) that Legolas is the epitome of obedience;) Oh, so Celuwen knows Anyr? In fact she seems quite familiar with him. It just dawned on me that she could actually be really valuable to Thranduil. She is familiar with settlement life, knows the people involved and chances are that her father won’t want to make too much trouble for her, and thus for her new family. “He likes her, and he wants the best for you, but you have to refrain from provoking him further.” That sums it up really. It seems wise to just let Thranduil have his rant and keep quiet ‘til it’s over. After all, there’s very little he can actually do. But poor Eilian seems to provoke Thranduil just by his presence at times… The scene in Thranduil’s office was amazing. I was completely enthralled. Thranduil *is* is a quandary. I doubt he’d care over much about gossips but he would definitely be troubled if he felt any of his family showed disrespect to his people. I can see why he’d think this is what Eilian did in a way. You really wrote the scene so cleverly. Both of them have equally valid points of view – I found myself nodding when either of them spoke! – but each is also influenced by high emotion and both by frustration. “Sólith has always been blind to your worth.” Yeah, Thranduil definitely isn’t against the match itself, Eilian just went about it the wrong way in his father’s eyes. Maybe Thranduil feels a little left out too, all politics aside. “Celuwen was fading.” I thought that was so sad. Eilian seems desperate to make himself understood and unfortunately this family have reason to recognise a fading elf. Eilian’s guess at what Thranduil would have done with Celuwen sounds about right! But then, if Eilian was around Thranduil would have no peace ‘til he reached some sort of arrangement… “Explain to me how your mind works, Eilian, because you frustrate and confuse me! You are so like your naneth at times that it frightens me!”I think I stared at the screen for a few minutes to let this moment sink in. Wow. It must be the first time Thranduil has ever voiced these feelings before. It’s quite a sad admission I think for any parent to say they don’t understand their child. I’d say Thranduil rarely experiences incomprehension or confusion, so when these feelings stem from his own child it results in frustration. Thranduil obviously knew that he could see his wife in Eilian and worried about him for this reason but it seems that he never realised before that this could be the root of their problems. A lot of emotions have been stirred up in Thranduil. He’ll be alright, won’t he?? He clearly loves Eilian. Half their problem is that each expects and argument so that’s exactly what happens. “He was what he was.” I thought Eilian’s thoughts were interesting. He clearly sees things in a new light too but I’d tend to agree with his sentiments. All of his traits – good or bad – make him who he is and that can’t change or he wouldn’t be Eilian. In fact, if he were understood a little better and allowed to be himself, he’d probably me generally a much happier elf. Alfirin and Celuwen seem to be getting on well by the end of this chapter. Alfirin needs someone to mother and Celuwen needs a friend so they are lucky to have each other! Anyway, I have to go to work. Great chapter! The emotions and tension were completely believable and totally gripping – and there were some lovely moments to laugh at too:)

Author's reply

This was an unbelievably gratifying review, Dot. It was wonderful to see my chapter through your eyes. I have trouble pinning Ithilden down sometimes. I'm thinking it would be useful to do a short first-person POV story about him because it would help me get into his head better. Here he was completely taken by surprise. Who would ever think that even Eilian would have the nerve to have a maiden in his bed in the palace?! So Ithilden comes to the natural conclusion, the one he would have reached if he'd taken a good look at their eyes (which was probably not what he was looking at at first) and that their voices tell him too -- they're bonded. He's been so happy in his own marriage that I think that would strike him as a good thing even though he knows the trouble it will cause. Thranduil, on the other hand, seems to quarrel with Eilian almost as a matter of habit. As you say, they both expect an argument, so they have one. I'm hoping that they can each get some lasting insight here with the comment about Lorellin. Nilmandra (my beta) helped me a lot with the scene in Thranduil's office. I had a lot of trouble. I wanted Thranduil angry, and I wanted the scene unpleasant and uncliched. But I also didn't want him to be a flat, cardboard angry father, just because that would give me a more dramatic scene. You have come to the same conclusions that Eilian's naneth always voiced: If Thranduil would give him some approval, Eilian would try harder to please. Thranduil wants things in the reverse order and that's not going to work. Thanks again for this review, Dot. Author Reply: I also wanted to say that I don't find my readers demanding. I find them incredibly tolerant and generous. I am lucky! daw

Elena Tiriel · 17 April 2004 · Chapter 9: Celuwen's Parents

P.S. About the rabbits: I take back what I said (that 8 rabbits seemed like too many). First, as you pointed out, they were for more than one meal. Secondly, I was thinking plump, juicy rabbits like you would see at a store (think: chicken). It occurred to me that *wild* rabbits caught after a *long, hard, famine-sticken winter* would hardly be more than skin-and-bones! Okay, I admit it: my entire experience with rabbits consists of chocolate Easter bunnies when I was a kid... Sorry! Please forgive my momentary flight of fancy...

Author's reply

LOL. You could have told me *anything* and I would have believed it. I do some research on the web when I'm writing about stuff like hunting or forest fires, but my ignorance is deep.

Elena Tiriel · 17 April 2004 · Chapter 9: Celuwen's Parents

So, Celuwen is scandalized by the fact that she left her stockings on her wedding night? How cute! (It's amazing what details we notice when we're in a brand-new situation...) Well, the confrontation with Solith wasn't as bad as it could be. I am so pleased to see Celuwen standing up and taking pride in her choice, and Isiwen forcefully knocking some sense into her husband. Way to go, Isiwen! I do now see past Solith's bull-headedness - he *finally* seems to genuinely care about his daughter (in his own churlish way). It doesn't excuse his misconduct (intercepting the letters...), but it somewhat explains it. I'm glad that Eilian is at least beginning to understand how he has asked Celuwen to change her life completely, when his will not change as much. (So he thinks now, anyway...) Solith still had to get the last words in, didn't he? I am glad he and Eilien came to some sort of "understanding" about Eilian not visiting... I suppose that's all the common ground they can expect! Solith still refuses to accept that Eilian truly loves Celuwen, and will protect her any way he can... Celuwen giggles? I am all astonishment! So Eilian's room is a guy kinda place, huh? But he just happens to keep the three stones that she gave him long ago displayed on his desk? Maybe he has the makings of a diplomat inside him yet? ;-D

Author's reply

Solith kind of surprised me when I wrote this scene. He insisted on becoming more real rather than just repeating his "I hate you, Eilian" line. And he turned out to be capable of tenderness toward his daughter. Who knew? Eilian has a long way to go, I think, before he fully understands what he's asked of Celuwen (not to mention what changes are likely for him whether he wants them or not). She has to find some sort of life for herself in Thranduil's stronghold. *I* wouldn't want to be the one to do it.

dr_seuss_is_cool · 16 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

hello! I am very glad that you posted this chapter on a friday. I started my day off by reading the chapter, it made my day so much brighter. Thank you! I am glad that Ithilden is not too mean. That amused me very much when he walked in on Celuwen and Eilian. I love how you've built up your characters. They always have little twists and turns to themselves. I felt very sorry for Eilian when he had to get down on his knees. I would have been very pissed off. I think this whole Eilian and Celuwen situation may work out. I am very happy for them. Well...i am very excited to see what new adventures Legolas has gotten himself into. Thank you very much for writing. Bye bye

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Glad you liked the chapter, Dr. S. I don't think Ithilden is mean at all. He's just responsible and has to be in charge sometimes. I think that kneeling to your father when he's the king probably feels different than it would for us normal folks. Thranduil uses it to make a point here - he's in charge and he's angry and Eilian needs to know both things. The newlyweds are cute, aren't they?

Tapetum Lucidum · 16 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

I am glad you split your ending up. It will give us a lot more to read! I liked this chapter a lot. It started and ended on a very happy note. Seeing the newlyweds in bed - head over heels for each other was very sweet. It is a nice quiet time for the couple to be together. Having Ithilden come pounding into the room was hilarious. It does make more sense than having Thranduil wake his son. "I only hope you survive to enjoy your good fortune." was a great Ithilden line. We hardly ever get to see the serious elf's playful side. The should remember that guard. He is very wise. Walking into the dining room must have been harder than facing the evil in the south. It must have taken all of Eilian's courage to walk in the door. Alfirin's reaction was great. I am guessing Sinnarn was on patrol. Legolas' presence must have been greatly missed. He will be sorry he missed all of the excitement. Of course Thranduil's youngest knew his duty - he was born to be a warrior and serve his realm. Celuwen was very lucky to dodge the worst of the King's ire. It was good to have his first words to her be kind words of welcome. He is lucky to have her in the family. She quickly showed her worth with her accurate assessment of Anyr. If only they had been married sooner, maybe Celuwen could have delivered the food. She will make a great politician. I think the princes' spouses are going to get along very well. Eilian's time in Thranduil's office was quite uncomfortable. Putting his son onto his knees is harsh. Appropriate but harsh. I wonder if it would work on my kids... I loved the line "Solith has always been blind to your worth." It was a small statement but it meant the world to Eilian. Thranduil was right - Eilian was hasty and didn't think but what is done is done. He is smart to realize it is time to forgive and move on. The last scene with Celuwen and Eilian made me smile. They will have a lot of fun together though I don't think it will all be smooth sailing from here.

Author's reply

I outlined the rest of this story today and it's at least two more chapters. There are a lot of loose threads to be tied up. Ithilden is interesting to write about because he's hard to pin down. But I figured he's been around a long time and must have some degree of sophistication. And he loves his brother. He's agonized over what to do with Eilian on occasion. I think he'd be glad that Eilian is happy. I had to have Sinnarn away. I can only deal with so many OCs at once. I have so many now it makes my head swim. Legolas will be back around mid-day of this same day, so he won't miss all the excitement! I think your kids will only kneel if you're king or queen, so you may be out of luck! They drop to one knee in the Great Hall and have seen petitioners kneel to their father, so it's not so far to do it themselves. I think Thranduil uses people's physical placement to make a point and he sure did it here.

rikwen · 16 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

Another great chapter! I was glad that Eilian and Celuwen did not end up spending their honeymoon in the dungeons, though I would imagine that a suitable punishment for disobeying is still in store for Eilian. I loved a lot of things about this chapter - one that Celuwen is not afraid to stand up for herself and Eilian. And she is knowledgable about the settlements and Aynr in particular. Thranduil may not love the way the marriage came about, but he has a treasure in Celuwen. Can't wait for Legolas to get home with his report of the settlement and their interactions with the humans. Two, I liked where you mixed the king parts and the Ada parts in the discussion between Eilian and Thranduil. Even though he recognizes that what is done has been done, Thranduil is still aware of how it affects the kingdom and his leadership. Even when he is Ada, he is king. Three, the revelation that Thranduil is concerned because Eilian is so impatient like Eilian's naneth. Talk about a true Freudian slip! I am sure that was as much of a surprise to Thranduil as it was to Eilian, though if he was aware of it Thranduil should have realized that Eilian was not going to follow the game plan and get permission and wait a year before he wed. I do hope that everyone gets a chance to calm down and think rationally about this bonding. Eilian may love Celuwen as much as she loves him, but I think he still isn't aware of all the repercussions of what he has done. Ithilden and his wife may turn out to be Eilian's greatest supporters. I can hardly wait for the next chapter. This story is truly a favorite of mine.

Author's reply

I'm glad you like it, Rikwen. Thranduil is still plenty mad and has every intention of making sure Eilian knows it. But that stuff about naneth was a shock to him, almost as much as to Eilian. That his anger comes from fear was not something he had thought about much. Eilian and Celuwen have to work out their life together now rather than in the year's betrothal, which would be more common. They both have things to deal with, I think. I feel kind of sorry for Celuwen. Her life has changed totally whereas Eilian thinks he's just going to go on as always!

Any · 16 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

Now, that was quite unexpected! I honestly thought Thranduil would be so angry, he'd seriously consider to throw Eilian into his palace's dungeons for a while... ;) *LOL* Anyways, while it must have been quite stressfull for Eilian I think Thranduil behaved rather tamely and quite lovingly (is that correct English?), too! I liked that. It would have been way too "easy" to have him freak out or something... so, Daw, very well done, I think! :) "Have elflings?"?!!!???? Aiii!!!! :))) When? How many? Boys or girls?... Okay, I'm getting a bit carried away with it now... They've just bonded, surely they'll need some time for themselves! Hehe... I missed Legolas in this chapter *sniff* ;)) He will be back in the next one, won't he? :) I'd like to say more but I'm too tired to leave a decent and more detailled review. Ah well. You know I love your stuff, don't you? :) ~Any

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I had Thranduil being harsher in my first draft of this chapter, but I never had him throwing Eilian in the the dungeon! He still has some unpleasant possibilities in mind, but I'll have to think about whether he carries them out or not. He realized some things he didn't know before as he tore into his son this time. (And "lovingly" is good English) I doubt if they'll really have elfings any time soon. Eilian's work puts him in too much danger. I think they have more sense than that. I hope so, anyway. Legolas is up next. I've done the chapter outline and just need to get writing this weekend.

Estel_Mi_Olor · 16 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

That was sweet! I especially liked the title-so foreboding. Thranduil was far less angry than I thought he would be. I really liked that, the unexpected. Eilian was also surprised, wasn't he? I have come to the conclusion that parents understand more than their children give them credit for, and why not? For they themselves were children too. I did not link (oh dear what did you name her?) Eilian's naneth's death to her impatience. I mean the fact that she died because she did not wait for an escort. So much is made clear now: why Thranduil is always so afraid for Eilian in his recklessness, more so than necessary. Poor Thranduil. Alifrin and Ithilden were marvelous, but as Alifrin herself said, they too were recently newly-weds. Legolas is in for some surprises, and that will make another interesting breakfast scene. Can't wait for the next chapter! Keep writing.

Author's reply

My first draft of this chapter had a much harsher Thranduil, but he was too cardboard-y in his fury and needed to be made more nuanced. Nilmandra (my beta) helped me a lot to do that. I've always thought that Lorellin's death was linked to her impatience and that Eilian was a lot like her. But it wasn't until I did this chapter that it occurred to me (with Nilmandra's prompting) that Thranduil's difficulty with Eilian could be tied to both things. Legolas will be home around mid-day, so soon!

Anonymous · 16 April 2004 · Chapter 9: Celuwen's Parents

best line in all of lotr fan fiction--I will filet you like a fish. I read that a week ago and I have re-read this 100 times and I still love it. I ranks with "on your knees". Poor guy. He's having a rough time.

Author's reply

Both fathers are threatening him, aren't they? I suppose he's used to it in both cases. :-) That scene with Celuwen's father was one of the first ones I wrote for this story. It's been sitting in my notes for several months. I'm glad it finally made it to the story archive!

tigerlily713 · 16 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

Whew! It seems the worst is over from Thranduil. Other may have something to say however. Any pressure on Legolas now that he is the only unbonded of the sons? Great chapter! Lily

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I think the worst is over, although Thranduil isn't done yet. Tolkien tells us that most elves were married, that it seemed like the natural course of action for them, but in tumultuous times, things could have been different. I wonder if elves were matchmakers? If so, Legolas would have been fair game!

Molly · 16 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

Do you use "female" to refer to Celuwen because you think "woman" is not quite appropriate? For some reason it caught my attention in this chapter. It must be a problem sometimes, figuring out what names to use because "man" and "woman" seem to refer to the actual race of Men. At least you didn't use "she-Elf"... I still can't quite forgive Peter for that one. After reading this chapter it occurred to me that it's probably very similar to what happened when Legolas came home after the war. Legolas disobeyed his father's orders just as Eilian did, and brought home an unexpected guest. At least Eilian is presenting his wife, a fellow Elf, to Thranduil, and not a Dwarf who's become his best friend! I wonder which transgression Thranduil would consider the worst. I look forward to seeing Legolas's reaction to all of this.

Author's reply

Yes, I do use "female" instead of "woman," although Tolkien uses "woman" in places to refer to female elves. It just seemed easier to use something else. I can deal with "she-Elf," actually. I don't see it as a particularly problematic word. I'll bet you're right about Legolas coming home with a guest after the war! That must have been a tough one for his family to deal with. I outlined the rest of the story this morning and there are a fair number of threads to untangle, including Legolas's reaction. That's up next!

naneth · 16 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

This was a very entertaining chapter. It's not often that Ithilden gets to be the comic relief! Poor Eilian survived the first round, but I'm sure that the battle isn't completely over. He and Legolas seem to spend far too much time on their knees in their father's presence. I can't imagine Ithilden ever being in need of doing that-at least not in penance. You allowed Thranduil's anger, love, and impatience with Eilian to show through in equal portions. As Thranduil spoke of Eilian's similarities to his mother, so many arguments they have had over your series of stories were shown in a different light. Well done as always, can't wait for more!

Author's reply

Ithilden is a lot older than his two younger sibs, but I think you're right. Even when he was younger, I'll bet he mostly behaved himself. He's an oldest child through and through. And I think that maybe Thranduil and Eilian are coming to the heart of the trouble that lies between them. It's not an entirely solvable problem: Eilian is a wood elf, far more than either of his brothers, and that's not going to change. But maybe they can at least understand what's driving them to find one another so maddening.

Antigone Q · 16 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

I loved this chapter. My favorite part was when Celuwen told Eilian ever so matter-of-factly that his adar was wrong. Bet poor Eilian doesn't hear _that_ very often (at least, not from someone else). And Celuwen was right, I think, Thranduil _was_ wrong insofar as the relationship between Eilian and Celuwen is concerned. I couldn't speak to Thranduil's being wrong as far as the settlement Elves are concerned. I guess we'll have to see. I expected Thranduil to really fly off the handle and he pretty much did that, but his concern for his son's welfare has come first, which was a good thing. I liked the way he showed restraint and respect toward Celuwen, too. In fact, everyone is doing a wonderful job of making Celuwen feel at home - although whether that means she actually will feel at home is another question all together. Living in a cottage in the woods with all the freedoms the settlement Elves have is quite different from living in a cave/palace with all the restrictions of a royal family. And, LOL! I can't believe that, after all Legolas' sneaking around and lying and getting easily frustrated when he was younger, Thranduil is now holding him up to Eilian as a paragon of loyal obedience. Smirk. But seriously, Legolas has gone out and done some things that will (hopefully) make Thranduil very proud, and Eilian has gone out and done...other things. I hope it doesn't cause a rift between the two brothers. Thranduil shouldn't have been comparing the two like that, in any case. And what about that remark Thranduil made about Eilian being like his Naneth? I don't know if Thranduil had been conciously thinking that or not, but I bet it is at the root of a lot of the arguments Thranduil had with his two younger sons. When I read stuff like that, by the way, not only do other pieces of your series fall into place for me but I get to thinking later what a brilliant piece of writing you were doing. Did you know that about Thranduil when you started writing these stories, or did that come to you later? So, Thranduil is concerned about Eilian being away from Celuwen so much. So is Celuwen, and so are Celuwen's parents. In fact, the only person who doesn't seem to be concerned about this is Eilian - the very person who could actually _do_ something about it. Well, I suspect the matter is going to be decided for him one way or another very soon, but it still annoys me that he hasn't at least thought through the possibility of staying closer to home. There was some truth in it when Thranduil said Eilian always does as he pleases. Send Eilian my congratulations and tell him I wish him all the best in his marriage - I'm not sure he quite understood what he was letting himself in for (not that any of us ever do). Oh, hey, plot bunny - unexpected things about marriage for Thranduil's sons. I'm watching Celuwen's interactions with Alfirin with interest. Good for Alfirin for being concerned about Celuwen's health! I know they are very different people, but they both have lots of common sense and they are both women - I wouldn't be surprised if they formed a sort of Female United Front in the face of all the testosterone. That's certainly what happened with my sister-in-law and I - heaven knows we haven't got much in common other than being rational in the face of family squabbles. I hope you write the next chapter soon. This has been an absolutely fabulous story and I've learned so much about all the characters.

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I laughed when I read your question about whether I have known from that start that Eilian's resemblance to his mother was at the root of his problems with his father. You cannot imagine how late that came to me -- like 8:00 last night when Nilmandra pointed it out. I knew Eilian was like his mother, that her impulsiveness got her killed, and that Thranduil feared for Eilian's safety. But pulling those three threads together came to me at about the same moment it did for Thranduil. Legolas did childish things when he was a child, but I'll bet he was a much better behaved child than Eilian was. And in Thranduil's mind, Eilian still behaves like a child sometimes. Celuwen and Eilian have some things about their life together to work out. I'm spent some time this morning making notes about it. I have to go work now, unfortunately, but this weekend, I can write. And I had this idea that pleased me mightily this morning: a story told purely from the POV of the two wives.

LOTRFaith · 16 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

I must say I was laughing through some of it... Especially when Ithilden walked in on them... lol.... *I only hope you survive to enjoy your good fortune.”* lol... that nearly sent me in convulsions.. Very cute.. Very cute.. Lots of tension for our youngest prince it seems... And he only has a few more days leave... Poor laddie....

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I guess you had to laugh at parts of this, if only to relieve the tension that came in between the loving, funny parts. I thought about it and decided that there were no locks on the doors in Thranduil's stronghold. There are guards and magic Great Doors after all, and the Elves within respect one another's privacy. Ithilden just never dreamed that there would be anyone sharing Eilian's bed!

Kristy · 16 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

This was wonderful! I could feel Thranduil's frustratration and love for Eilian in equal measures. You made him very angry without making him the bad guy. I actually think I like and understand Thranduil better after this chapter. And aren't Eilian and Celuwen sweet as newlyweds!

Author's reply

Thank you, thank you, Kristy. That's exactly what I wanted with Thranduil. It might have been fun in some ways to make him angry beyond measure, but that would have been for my own convenience as an author who wanted an angsty chapter, and not true to the character. I had a lot of trouble balancing the portrait of Thranduil and relied even more than usual on advice from my peerless beta, Nilmandra.

LKK · 16 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

I'll admit this chapter surprised me greatly, daw. The confrontation was much calmer than I expected although I doubt it's far from over. I think both Eilian and Thranduil received some surprises in their "discussion". Thranduil surprised to hear Celuwen was fading. Eilian surprised by Thranduil's reference to the queen. Thranduil wasn't in control of the conversation as much as he had thought he would be --- and that surprised him. (I hope I'm making myself clear.) Ithilden's and Alfrin's reactions amused me. They provided a nice counterpoint to Thranduil's barely controlled anger. I liked that Celuwen wanted to be a part of Thranduil and Eilian's discussion. Despite what the males want, I doubt they'll be able to keep her out of any future discussions. She's a strong-willed elf. Should be interesting to see Legolas' reaction. Next chapter, perhaps?

Author's reply

In my first draft of this chapter, Thranduil was much harsher, but I thought that might be too unidimensional. He loves this difficult son and I wanted that to shine through too. I think the degree to which it did surprised Eilian, which is a good thing (that he saw it, not that he was surprised by it). I think that Thranduil may be on the verge of some realizations about the source of the trouble between him and Eilian. I just spent a couple of hours working out the details of the rest of this story. Legolas is on his way!

vic · 16 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

Daw, The chapter was very well named! Really, one word was able to sum it all up 'Thranduil'. Once again I loved this chapter. Strong family ties and love of the newly bonded pair really shone through. I am glad that Eilian was able to weather the storm that was his father and that Celuwen is strong enough to stand up to anyone, including the King himself. I think that actually that's why Thranduil likes Celuwen- she is not afraid to speak her mind and stand up for what she believes in; she reminds me of Alfirin a bit. A few points that stood up for me: *Thranduil did a naughty thing and compared two siblings. He showed Eilian his approval for Legolas. A parent should never do that. Luckily that both brothers love each other, not to let these things get in the way. *Love the fact that Eilian was relying on his younger brother to be there to support him! sweet *Thranduil is a softy at heart(if you know where to look. Like a creamy Easter egg...hard of the outside, but nice and sweet on the inside. I'm making the analogy while at the same time trying to finally finish off all my eggs. My theory is that I have to get rid off of temptation by Monday. Out of sight, out of mind. Mmmm yummy... May be Legolas could help me out here? oops, I think I just broke a taboo for this time of day: thinking of Legolas and chocolate before 11am may be hazardous for one's health... and may be back...) I think I better finish off for now. Can't wait to find out how Legolas is going to react to the family news. I think he doesn't need to worry about his father, as he will be quite preoccupied with Elian! Vic

Author's reply

Thranduil did do a bad!Ada thing in comparing the two brothers. He knows better. He was just too newly angry to think straight. Even after all these years, Eilian sometimes surprises him, and not always in a good way! You are making me drool with all that talk about chocolate. I think I need a snack.

elentari · 16 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

*jumping up and down* bloody hell! That was absolutely hylarious. I particularly enjoyed the concern Eilian's family had not to overtax Celuwen even before most of them realised what she had been through. And in all honesty, I do not think Thranduil would have been much better than Sólith had Eilian brought celuwen to the palace unbonded. That's an elf as traditionalist as one might hope to see- in fact, I remember a confusion about that very thing, eh, with a nandor elf and Eilian's mother's cousin? And Legolas had to kill the insane maiden? So truly, Thranduil is one heck of an elf, and venerable and all, but he has not that much room or basis to complain. Not that it would help matters any to point that out to him. *mutters about sexy broody elves* And honestly, Alfirin. they are just going to nap. Truly! (lol)

Author's reply

I am worried about you, Elentari, if you thought that this chapter was hilarious! I tried to make it tense! I guess we all enjoy different things! :-0 I think that Eilian's family could sense that Celuwen was not quite right even without thinking about it. Thranduil and Ithilden had both seen Legolas as an elfling, when he was close to fading in his grief for his mother. And Alfirin has heard her mother talk and been with her in the infirmary What Eilian thinks would happen if he had brought Celuwen home unbonded is, in my opinion, exactly what would have happened. But Thranduil is still sure that Eilian would have done better to act less rashly. As Celuwen says, he's wrong. Of course they're napping. What else could they be doing?

esamen · 16 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

Daw, this is great. I thought that we were losing our Playboy of the Western World, but instead we are gaining a deeper character! I absolutely love the depth of the characters and the unpredictability of the story. You have so many surprises up your sleeve for us. Thanks so much for writing this. And please, please update soon. . . . why do you write these cliffhangers? How on earth can I possibly concentrate on my own writing when I am worried about Thranduil's next report, Eilian's hip, and Legolas's mission . . . not to mention love life? What kind of bribe will it take to get you right back to your keyboard? Godiva chocolates? Champagne? Name your price . . . we'll take up a collection . . .

Author's reply

I'm so pleased by these comments, Esamen. I struggled with this chapter, trying to make everyone as realistic as possible and avoid turning them into predictable, cardboard actors in a cliched confrontation. It was tough because there are lots of angry scenes between fathers and sons in fanfiction, so there are set moves one can have the characters make. ("I am not a child." "You act like one." etc.) I had an especially hard time with Thranduil. In my first draft, he was quite a lot more angry with no real hint of the reason.

mer · 16 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

Wonderful chapter DAW! Now that it's over it wasn't so bad. Confrontations are worse before they happen, because it is all in people's minds. I also liked the way you included how Eilian missed Legolas' presence. Heck, there was nothing not to like. Though I believe you write for yourself you never disappoint me--the way you write is how I would write it if I could! Does that make sense? Looking forward to more Legolas! Bye, Mer.

Author's reply

Mer-- If I'm giving you the story you like, then I am very pleased. One of the reasons I write is that no one was writing the story I wanted to read. (It's not an accident that I started writing soon after Jocelyn finished "A Little Nudge Out the Door." That was a story I wanted.) It was only as I was writing this chapter that I remembered that Eilian did not know Legolas had been sent to the other settlement. That struck me as something he'd regret for various reasons, as someone looking for an ally, as a brother wanting Legolas to enjoy his leave, and as a captain concerned about the well-being of his warriors.

Jebb · 16 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

“On your knees, Eilian,” oh that poor prince you could feel the anger roiling off Thranduil although he kept himself well controlled I thought and welcomed his new daughter I think she may well prove as much of an asset to the king as her new husband But above all else was the sense of love and anguish Thranduil feels when he 'deals' with his difficult second born he does cherish him but doesn't understand him still I would not bet on Solith getting a warm welcome if he ever visits Adar may criticise his sons but others had better not! A most wonderful chapter thank you

Author's reply

Have you been looking at my notes, Jebb?!! You put your finger on several things I've told myself to remember. I had a hard time writing the scene in Thranduil's office so that his love did show. I had him too angry at first, but my beta helped me work things out so that we see as the father he is, wanting his son to be wiser and more obedient and angry that he is not, but still loving that son. In a way, the love makes the anger over his rashness even stronger. If Thranduil were unconcerned for Eilian's safety and happiness, he would be able to ignore some of this stuff.

Jay of Lasgalen · 16 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

Well, that wasn't quite as bad as I feared, but it must have been bad enough for poor Eilian. 'On your knees' was NOT a good start! Your Thranduil continues to surprise me - I love his unpredictability! In between his furious reprimands, he says things like 'Sólith has always been blind to your worth.” And what was the comment about Eilian's mother about? Loved Ithilden's reaction, BTW - he also is growing on me more and more! Jay

Author's reply

I originally wrote a version of this chapter in which Thranduil was considerably harsher, but I was worried I was making him too one-dimensional and having him be over-the-top angry just because it would make a more dramatic chapter for me. After consulting with my invaluable beta, Nilmandra, I toned it down a fair amount and, at Nilmandra's urging, concentrated on the reasons for Thranduil's anger that went beyond just surface irritation. He's not done yet, of course, but he and Eilian may be coming to an understanding of what lies at the heart of their long-troubled relationship.

Ms. Whatsit · 16 April 2004 · Chapter 11: Thranduil

You know, I squeal like a fangirl when you update. And I've never been disappointed yet. Ithilden walking in on our newlyweds was priceless. And so was Eilian counting on Legolas to be an ally. You've really got sibling dynamics down well. And the way Thranduil plays "good son, bad son" by mentioning Legolas and his devotion to duty is also very true to life. "Thranduil seemed to sense her discomfort too, and his face softened. He rose and beckoned to her, and she let go of Eilian’s hand and walked tentatively toward him. “I wish it had been done with more ceremony, but Eilian could not have chosen better. Welcome, daughter,” Thranduil said and kissed her brow." Aww. Thranduil's a bit scary, but he's also quite sweet in his own way. And Celuwen was very brave, to stand up to Thranduil like that! Although she needs to learn how to resist Thranduil's more subtle questioning tactics. She's very frank and straightforward and fundamentally honest---she just wouldn't notice Thranduil's gentle interrogation, would she? Ah, well, she'll learn, though I have a feeling she'll get irritated by Thranduil's manipulations at some point... Alfirin saying she'd be glad to have another female around made me wonder. She and Celuwen are very different. I don't know how they'll get along. I think Celuwen will do fairly well with Ithilden, and she'll probably clash a few times with Thranduil but still win his respect and become his ally in keeping a leash on Eilian, but Alfirin? I'm looking forward to seeing that. "You have a duty to behave as if the desires of those you defend are important to you, as if you would never dream of abusing the position you are in by taking from them that which they would not wish to give!” Well, I understand Thranduil's worry, but for crying out loud, Eilian didn't *take* anything. If the settlement got mad at Eilian marrying Celuwen without the consent of Solith, then Celuwen could just go there and say "hey, I was FADING, would you have liked it better if Eilian had left one of your own to die of grief?" If the settlement got mad about this then it would just mean they were looking for an excuse to get mad about *something,* methinks. And Thranduil and Solith are now part of the same family. Heh. As for the comment Thranduil makes about Eilian's mom...well, at last we've got to the heart of their relationship problems, haven't we?!? Ah, Elven-king angst...always fun.

Author's reply

I sat here and grinned to myself for a while at the idea that you squeal when I update. I love writing these stories, but the fact that readers enjoy them too is unbelievably rewarding. I think that Celuwen's honesty is, in some ways, a match for the king's subtlety. You can't fool her because she just tells you the truth, so why not just cut the silliness and ask her what you want to know. If she thinks you're prying too deeply, she'll tell you that too and tricky questions are not going to make a difference. Your analysis of the family is really sharp. I too have the hardest time seeing her getting along with Alfirin, but I think that may be because I have never written very much about either of the females. I don't know them from the inside like I do the males. I think there are differences between them and I plan for them to come out a little in the remainder of this story.