Reflections from the Paradise of Elves by Bodkin
aiholic · 19 March 2016 · Chapter 5: What if. . .?
It might be of interest for you to know I took an English paper on Tolkien literature that had the same exact question Elladan asked: what is the purpose of Arwen in LOTR, and suffice to say I'm happy I'm of the same mind as Legolas and said the exact same thing except mine is a bit more long winded and less of the corpse and maggots prose XD
Tira · 3 May 2007 · Chapter 17: New Civilisations
OMG. Whether intended or not, I cannot stop laughing, or trying to hide said laughter since my child is asleep nearby. Great work so far, I couldn't go on without saying as much. Wonderful. ~Tira
Author's reply
Thank you, Tira. I'm glad you're enjoying the tales! I think it's a good job the twins and Legolas had ... challenges to face in their new lives. We wouldn't want them to get bored!
elliska · 8 April 2007 · Chapter 88: Peace
Ok, wait. I just saw the part in the summary where it says this is the last chapter! The last! No Bodkin! I love the Reflections! *Sob!* But I admit, even before I noticed that, one of the things I was going to comment on was how well this chapter seemed to reflect back on the first chapter of this story and a good many of the events in your world. But this conversation was absolutely fascinating to me. First of all, I thought it was interesting to hear Legolas say that his path was set for him and that Galenthil would not choose to be a warrior. I think a lot of authors take for granted that being warriors was the only thing for these characters and I just don't see that. Before Celebrian was attacked, for example, I imagine E2 fought from obligation and would have preferred to be healers. So I liked seeing that thought. And the whole conversation about teaching children the arts of war in the Blessed Realm was great! You, in this story and in so many of your others that branched from this one, defined Valinor in my mind. I picture it entirely as you wrote it in these stories. And I can so see these characters struggling with these ideas. Especially now that they have come full circle and adapted to peace after living through so much destruction. The arguments they made are fascinating and they are ones I picture so many fathers, even in Middle Earth, having with themselves before sending their sons to train. Hidden in Imladris, at the time E2 were born, Elrond must have wished he did not have to train his sons even as he knew the peace would not last. Even Thranduil, who never knew much peace in Mirkwood, must have regretted his son's life had to be dominated by war. ‘Peace – harmony – a safe life in a guarded land … Those of us who know what it is to live through conflict treasure it. We prize it so highly that those who come after us have no idea of how easily it can be shattered.’ I love it. Along with the idea that the training need impress the seriousness of the situation upon the young. Too true. I absolutely loved this. It captured so well so many of the themes that I love in Tolkien. Wonderful! If only it were not the last!
Author's reply
I strongly suspect I might be starting More Reflections... It's just that when the chapter count becomes ridiculously high, it's a bit of a distraction. Besides, More Reflections might enable me to go back and forward a bit in the timeline ... I think the twins have realised - finally - that they have come home. That the home of their childhood will always be in their hearts, but that this home of their adult selves, where their children were born and are growing, is now theirs. And I do feel - very strongly - that the Blessed Realm would not automatically have been a place of unthinking peace. The elves would have to work at it - with dauntless determination - and the elves of Ennor would sometimes have felt that it was easier to confront orcs than deal carefully with others. Plus, much of the history of the elves involves conflict - and that is very difficult to put back into the box once it has been brought out. And war - unfortunately - appears glamorous to those who do not understand what it is really like. And knowing the reality is the very last thing that anyone would want for their children. Legolas and the twins would have found it very hard not to serve as warriors, I think. It is a duty of lordship - to defend your people. Elrond might have been happy for his sons to be healers - and for Elrohir, at any rate, not to be a warrior, but I think neither twin would let the other fight alone. Legolas - well ... The king's only son. In Mirkwood. He didn't really have the chance to choose another life. Peace is so easily shattered. It takes everyone's efforts to maintain it - and only a few to rip it apart. You don't want to harp on about it to the point where it is meaningless - but need to ensure that the dangers of war are not forgotten. Thank you, elliska. I doubt it is entirely the end ... volume 2 will be along, I'm sure.
perelleth · 7 April 2007 · Chapter 88: Peace
LOLOL! Figting the battle of learning to live in peace! That is a good one! And not forgetting the female line! They know enough for that!
Author's reply
Learning to live in peace - and maintain ... positively maintain ... peace is hard work. Requiring action rather than inaction. The female line is very important! And these three know enough to respect it! I suppose their point is that elves are patrilineal and wives become part of their husband's house. More or less. But Galadriel's grandsons should know better than to risk such dangerous comments!
Larner · 6 April 2007 · Chapter 88: Peace
How horrid the history they have lived through has been, knowing how extraordinarily easily peace and harmony can be shattered. A necessary conversation for them.
Author's reply
I think the three of them have come to feel that they are part of the Blessed Realm and that their interests now are in ensuring that peace is developed positively and that attitudes are not allowed to stagnate. Elves are intelligent beings who strive towards improvement - and seeing that their curiosity does not lead them astray would, I think, be important to those who had seen the disasters and triumphs of the past.
ellie · 6 April 2007 · Chapter 88: Peace
Very interesting! A timeless argument for a timeless race with a long memory indeed! I love reading your stories.
Author's reply
Those among the elves who had experienced the wars against Sauron and Morgoth would not forget - and they wouldn't want their children and grandchildren to know the worst of what elf can do to elf. But, on the other hand, to hide too much can be a mistake. The young need to know the price that was paid for their safety. Thank you, ellie.
Imhiriel · 6 April 2007 · Chapter 88: Peace
A very nice conclusion to the collection, Bodkin! It's "message" rings back in time to events in preceding chapters or in some other stories for yours, and it also has meaning for the future. I had to grin at Legolas mentioning "Blacksmith" as one of the occupations he could not have chosen...
Author's reply
Yes, smithing doesn't come naturally to Legolas! I think he might have gone down the warrior route anyway - although I suppose if he was living in a land of perfect safety, there wouldn't have been the need. The twins might have focused on healing ... but, regardless, they are their fathers' sons and they have duties that direct them in the care of the people who look to them for leadership. Peace. It seems an absence of war - but really it needs more work to maintain peace than to promulgate war. They will have their work cut out to make sure that no-one forgets and takes their good fortune for granted. I daresay there will be More Reflections - but this seemed long enough! Thank you, Imhiriel.
Redheredh · 6 April 2007 · Chapter 88: Peace
There are some truly profound questions in this episode. What role does violence play in civilized society? Does it come from culture or evolution? Is there a role (or is it merely a manifastaion?) for deadly sports? I like the guys rhetoric and reasoning for the most part. I also like thinking this conversation might have happened prior to plannning the memorial pageant in Tirion. :) Maybe, historical re-enactment will engage the younger generation in Aman in the same healthy ways it has people in our times. A thoughtful chapter.
Author's reply
Tough. Is ignorance more likely to lead to safety or less? Is it better to feed the curiosity of the ignorant or let it fester? Once violence has been unleashed, is it even possible to sweep it under the carpet? I reckon the young need to know. But whether or not they will absorb the information and truly understand it is another matter entirely. Thank you, Redheredh.
elliska · 6 April 2007 · Chapter 88: Peace
I am at work and Big Brother is watching, so I will have to come back after work to leave the review I want--but I just was so impressed with this that I had to comment now that is is fantastic! I can see so many Elven fathers having this conversation at so many times over the Ages. Loved this! Will leave a better review tonight after work.
Author's reply
Thank you, elliska. Big Brother! Such an unreasonable boss. It must have been a very difficult balance to achieve. The stories are about camaraderie and fun - while the serious pain is hidden. Half-wanting to forget - but knowing that the sacrifice should be known. And as soon as you realise that keeping matters quiet can lead to the young seeing only the glamour and excitement of war. My, but it's tough! Even in the Blessed Realm!
daw the minstrel · 6 April 2007 · Chapter 88: Peace
Nice "conclusion," Bodkin. These three probably had to learn to live all over again in more ways than one. They'd spent so long struggling against Sauron that they'd need to figure out what to do now. (I had a grad student in my office this week saying she didn't know what to do with herself now that her dissertation was finished.) It's probably a sign I'm a sick person but the reminder that the Sons of Elrond were "in a bad way" made me want to go read about that again. It was appealing.
Author's reply
Their bad way was at its worst (I think) in Ripe for Change. I've sort of lost track a bit! And from being completely lost when they arrived in the Blessed Realm, they have ... healed. And attained a different purpose. It must be so hard to deal with the Blessed Realm when you have spent millennia fighting an insidious enemy. Much like the end of the dissertation! (Now me, I think I need to go and read how Legolas dealt with the loss of his Naneth. The flashback story with the pictures appeals right now ...)
Jay of Lasgalen · 6 April 2007 · Chapter 88: Peace
It must be odd for these elves who had never really known anything other than fighting to suddenly realise that the need is (hopefully) gone. It's still good for the young to learn the skills though, and gain discipline and respect. *Grin* Very foolish of Legolas to ignore the female line - I hope Elrohir's daughters never hear of it! I think they'd exact revenge :>)
Author's reply
It took, I would think, quite a long time to adjust to living in peace. (Probably longer than it took the Exiles to get used to constant danger.) And I do feel, quite strongly, that a generation or two after war is over is quite a dangerous time for peace. War has a quite undeserved glamour - and the stories old warriors tell are always the ones of camaraderie and adventure and seem appealing to those who know no better. And even in the Blessed Realm, I can't imagine that elves would sink into a marshmallow contentedness - they are a bright and challenging race, who will always want to know and learn and do. The young need to know the bad as well as the good - and self-discipline, respect, physical control - all these things are good. And elven females might be more independent and have more right to self-determination than among men - but they still live in a patriarchal society and end up becoming part of their husband's family! (Not that it would stop Elrohir's daughters from making their point!)
Redheredh · 17 December 2006 · Chapter 87: Broad Shoulders
Hmm, I am wondering if Lady Uruiel and Lady Celebrian did not just hatch a plot to teach young Elladan a lesson. The ladies' own little collusion to curb male foolishness. Was Uruiel even her name or a more descriptive one the one the twins gave her? ;) Got all the moral across very nicely, me thinks. Wise Elerrina, though. I do so like her character! Always amusing and insightful, Bodkin. Oh yes, you are...
Author's reply
They might have done, mightn't they! I can see Celebrian being definitely irritated by Elladan's flirtatiousness. Elerrina is a warm and loving elf - and she makes a great partner for Legolas. I'm also very fond of Miriwen - who is perfect for Elladan. (Sirithiel is the wife I feel I know least well.) Bows. And blushes. Glad you liked it.
Larner · 15 December 2006 · Chapter 87: Broad Shoulders
Yes, daughters are interesting indeed. Hope they survive their children's adolescences.
Author's reply
Daughters - especially Elrohir's - are dangerous indeed. I suspect they will be less trouble as they grow into their strength of mind! (And develop greater self-control.) I'm sure E2L will survive.
Larner · 15 December 2006 · Chapter 86: Found
And all have acquitted themselves well. Am so glad the twins were the first down to do the on-site assists. Now, to get them out of there at long last.
Author's reply
Well - the twins weren't actually there at all ... not in the story that ended up being written. But if they had been, they would have left no stone unturned! And this adventure served the purpose of increasing the understanding between father-and-son-in-law. So it wasn't all bad!
Maid of Ithililen · 14 December 2006 · Chapter 87: Broad Shoulders
I'm so glad you've posted one of these again -- I've missed them even thoough you've been doing other wonderful things in the meantime. I always enjoy the interplay between these three.
Author's reply
I often have one or two of these ready for the times when other stories are proceeding slowly - but this was the last one waiting for posting. I hope inspiration strikes so that I can come up with a few more. I love these three - and the length limitation makes for lots of lovely elliptical conversations.
perelleth · 14 December 2006 · Chapter 87: Broad Shoulders
I love it how you always come up with minimal -yet always conveniently embarrassing- details about the twins multiple misadventures. Of course their long lives are of help! The tale of Elladan's youthful infatuation was hilarious. And yes, Elrohir, that is why men go to work -or endless hours to the office- because orcs and paperwork are easier to deal with than women... ;-)
Author's reply
It is so much easier to give just a passing reference to past misadventures - no detail required! Although more than once they have led to a story - and probably will again. Poor Elladan - he just lends himself to embarrassing youthful stories. And how true! Orcs are simple in comparison to negotiating the pitfalls of family life - but I'm not sure Elladan would agree about the paperwork.
NiRi · 14 December 2006 · Chapter 87: Broad Shoulders
I am really enjoying this tale! This was so true...Keep up the good work! NiRi
Author's reply
I'm so glad you like it! I think I will take it to 90 chapters and then start Reflections II - Return of the Elves. (Name subject to improvement.) But I can't see it stopping - not as long as E2L keep talking!
Jay of Lasgalen · 14 December 2006 · Chapter 87: Broad Shoulders
Poor Elrohir! Just how did he end up in the wrong with his daughters? What did he do/say/think that upset them? (I have a daughter. I know how easy it is.) Loved the tale of Elladan's early infatuation! :>) Jay
Author's reply
I don't think he knows. And you're right - it's not difficult to send adolescent daughters off in a huff. Poor Elladan - never allowed to forget his early follies! Definitely one of the down sides to life as an elf!
daw the minstrel · 14 December 2006 · Chapter 87: Broad Shoulders
They tried to kill us and we did our best to take them out first. The ambiguity of this is hilarious. I assume we're talking orcs, but for a brief moment, I thought it was daughters. Legolas sounds very philosophical in this. I suppose it's not his daughter who's there at the moment.
Author's reply
Well... No. The guys are far too soft-hearted - pure putty in their daughters' hands. Eleniel is, I'm afraid, just born sensible. Like Elrin. (Which probably means she will fall in love with a totally unsuitable guy and cause tremendous angst. While Nimloth and Aewlin will settle down to a serene and contented adult life.) And anybody would be calm and philosophical when confronted with Elrohir's daughters.
Ellie · 14 December 2006 · Chapter 86: Found
Even though it is AU to the other story, it is still a good tale. I love the bantering back and forth and the obvious respect and love.
Author's reply
I thought it was too nice to lose! Even though it's not what actually happened, right? E2L are just so great together!
Ellie · 14 December 2006 · Chapter 87: Broad Shoulders
I love it! Very funny and very cute - and very true. hahahhaha Those poor guys!
Author's reply
Poor E2L! Adolescent daughters are just a bit too much for them. It's the hormones, you know. (Testosterone. It does things to the brain!*) (* All insults are intended humorously. Males are wonderful. They must be. They keep telling me so.)
Selene · 28 October 2006 · Chapter 86: Found
The twins to the rescue :) (sorry I'm a bit obsest by them) Well it's good to know that the twins are "not completely stupid" because otherwise the both of them would have been in there for a long time.
Author's reply
The twins are rather delicious, I must admit! I think having had each other's company and support through over 3000 years, they have probably the closest sibling relationship possible - and that 120 years of Elessar's reign with Legolas in Ithilien has made a bond between the three of them - mainly because no-one else shares the same experience! And I think that the twins would raise their eyebrows at the suggestion that they might be 'completely stupid' - and dismiss the insult! Under the circumstances.
perelleth · 26 October 2006 · Chapter 86: Found
‘Even your offspring have never got themselves in quite such a mess!’ For some reason this made me chuckle. It is fun to picture the elflings' reaction at seeing their Adar in such a state...once the fretting and worrying is over! Amusing AU.
Author's reply
I can just see them looking smug. And as if butter wouldn't melt in their mouths! It worked better without the twins as a story - and I've just realised that the twins haven't really featured much for ages ... they really need to stop being so shy! Thank you.
Redheredh · 15 October 2006 · Chapter 86: Found
Great dialogue is what I love about "Reflections"! Although, I preferred following this incident in "Bridges". Primarily, because Taryatur could have a voice and not be silenced by the necessities of format. Thus, seem less capable than he actually is. At least, as capable as he is when not suffering a flashback.
Author's reply
Poor Taryatur! Relegated to the background in his own story! E2L do tend to take over when they're together - and they can say anything to each other, too, which makes their conversations such fun to write.
Ellie · 15 October 2006 · Chapter 86: Found
This was nice. It is still AU from the other story, but I like it just the same. Makes me feel even more sorry for the dad-in-law with him being injured. You do such a wonderful job writing the twins and Legolas. Very nice and always well done.
Author's reply
Poor Taryatur - he had to be rendered unconscious, just to be sure he didn't attempt to speak and upset the conventions of the Reflections! E2L are such fun to write - they know and understand each other so well that they don't have to bother with things like politeness. Thank you.