SharonB
· 23 December 2004
· Chapter 48: Climbing High
Oh how funny. I agree with the twins ... I don't like the heights. But sometimes the views can be amazing. And it's easy to see now that they are enscounced in the new horizons area. Do they ever get any visits from Gandalf?
Author's reply
Visits from Gandalf? That's an idea . . . They might well, mightn't they. I wonder what he would think of the elflings?
They come and go a bit - I think they live mainly in the new lands, but I think they would retain houses in the old, because much of the more important political/social stuff would go on there, so they would want to maintain a presence. And, of course, Legolas's in-laws live there, and so do Galadriel's family. I think the families of Miriwen and Sirithiel would probably choose to move to the new lands.
Heights are OK, but I don't fancy climbing - hanging off cliffs is too scary. (Although part of me felt I ought to take the opportunity to do the Sydney Harbour Bridge climb when we were there. A bigger part said 'don't.) But these three are adrenaline-junkies after all those centuries of risking their lives.
daw the minstrel
· 23 December 2004
· Chapter 48: Climbing High
It's amusing that these three are moaning about their children's efforts to go out at night for adventure when they are in the process of doing a night climb. The apple doesn't fall very far from the tree.
The descriptions of the moonlit forest were beautiful.
Author's reply
True. Perhaps their wives should have got some testimonials before consenting to marry them - they might have thought twice before producing children. Although, of course, one's own children are always going to be perfect, and one is never going to repeat the errors one's parents and friends made.
Glad you liked the forest.
elliska
· 16 December 2004
· Chapter 47: From Dark to Light
Sorry it took so long to review this. I am without Internet access right now. I have a one hour window right now and I'm taking advantage to catch up a bit. This one was absolutely great. I love the idea of Celebrimbor and Narvi getting their genders mixed up. That was clever and quite hilarious. And the idea of Aule's hidden gardens is excellent. But this line is outstanding:
‘Gimli said that stone was the skeleton upon which the living forest depended – and that it had its own song,’ he reflected. ‘That the world we love out under the sky depended on the dark and secret depths and elves were foolish to turn their backs on them.’
Wonderful. I can so see Gimli and Legolas arguing that. It deserves its own drabble, at least.
Author's reply
Without Internet access! That sounds like cruel and unusual punishment. I hope the withdrawal symptoms aren't too bad.
I'm usually one or two ahead on these - sometimes more - and I liked this one. I am glad you picked out that line - it sounded right when it when I read it back, but one is often not the best judge of what goes on paper.
Gimli and Legolas arguing? I don't know if I have Gimli's voice really. Although I would like to see more dwarf stories.
SharonB
· 15 December 2004
· Chapter 47: From Dark to Light
More of Legolas misiing his dwarf. Such nice memories, the twins are right he should share more of those memeories with others and his little ones. And they probably all should share their memories of the hobbits as well.
I could just see how Celeborn might react after all those years with Thingol and Melian in the caves. Such memories he could share with them all.
Author's reply
Legolas does miss Gimli. Well, they all miss people - Estel and Arwen not least. The hobbits. All those who were part of the Fellowship and Elessar's reigh. But loss, to a degree, must be part of what living as an elf teaches you to endure. Not, perhaps, Legolas so much - as he was young and isolated in Mirkwood until the Quest; but the twins, with the fostered heirs of Isildur and their riding with the Dunedain, must have been well-acquainted with the sorrow of growing fond of mortals only to have them age and die.
The trouble with sharing memories (and this is from a family historian point of view) is that children aren't interested in the stories. They put on that 'here they go again' face and respond in the way that I call 'smile and nod', where there is no listening going on. It's one of the reasons, I think, that these three old friends love getting away together - they can refer to moments and people that are meaningless to their families, and they can share a world of memories in very few words.
The time you really want to hear the stories is when there is no longer anyone there to tell them - which never really applies to elves. Though I agree - they really should take Celeborn off with them and get him to talk about all the things he has seen and done and all the legendary figures he has known. (And Galadriel, actually - she could tell them about the Grinding Ice - and Idril as a child - and Luthien. What a resource for knowledge.)
daw the minstrel
· 15 December 2004
· Chapter 47: From Dark to Light
Very evocative musings on dwarves and beauty. The talk about Narvi and Celebrimbor was amusing! And Legolas's feelings about Gimli were nicely handled too.
Author's reply
Thank you. It is perhaps easier to see the beauty of the natural world above ground, but dwarves would respond very strongly to the beauty of these formations. Narvi / Celebrimbor - interesting to consider their mutual incomprehension being overborne by their fascination with each other's skill. I wonder how long it took them to realise the other's gender? And how they found out? Or, I suppose, if they did.
In my reality (sounds a stupid way to put it) Legolas has probably had about 250 years since Gimli died - his feelings are now more of regret and fond remembrance than fresh grief.
Jay of Lasgalen
· 15 December 2004
· Chapter 47: From Dark to Light
I like the way you blend fun and sadness in these tales. Aulë’s hidden gardens sound breath-taking, and I'm glad Legolas can see the beauty in the deep places of the earth this time.
The conversation about Narvi and Celebrimbor was great - the one about dwarf women will run and run - as was the image of the twins making sure to sit upwind of the Dúnadain!
Jay
Author's reply
There is enough light coming into this part of the cave to take away the oppressive feeling of too much stone - and I think he can cope with the more open spaces (after his training from Gimli!) - it's the places where he has to squeeze through dark passages that make him cringe a bit.
Yes - I think the absence of any real sense of family life with Dwarves makes the whole Dwarf woman thing fascinating - and I should think the tough-looking Dwarves did find Elves a bit girly. And unwashed Dunedain must have impinged unpleasantly on Elven nostrils. I can see Elves leaping happily in half-frozen streams to clean themselves, while the Men huddled in layers of dirty wool that didn't get changed until spring.
RoseSared
· 15 December 2004
· Chapter 47: From Dark to Light
Oh well, you knew that would tempt me from my cave, didn't you! VBG! Hope to have some time for both reading and writing after christmas, my domestic situation has finally settled down and I have a month's leave - mostly to be spent painting the house-a great activity to compose plots to. Thanks so much for this litte vig, lovely, in character elves and a nice hark back to thier past in middle earth. Lovely as ever.
Rose
Author's reply
So glad you liked it. It's great to hear from you. Painting the house can only be done for so many hours before you need the relief of a bit of fun reading and writing! It'll give you something to look forward to, so you will paint faster. Best wishes for a calmer time!
Ellie
· 8 December 2004
· Chapter 46: Into the Darkness
I like the banter back and forth about the ickiness of being in a cave and the teasing. How wonderful for them to find such a cool reminder of Gimli. The cavern sounds enchanting. Very nice...
Author's reply
It is a rather beautiful cavern. And once inside a cavern with some light and space, it's OK. It's confinement and the feeling of being trapped that Legolas doesn't care for. The twins, after all, knew what was at the other end of the passageway.
It is a good reminder of Gimli and the happy times they shared.
SharonB
· 8 December 2004
· Chapter 46: Into the Darkness
Ah, sniffle. Yes I'm sure he would think of Gimli when he saw the wonders of the cave. LOL, he should be glad not to go caving with my husband and have to go through 1000 foot crawlways and such to get into a cave. Just a little squeeze area is not bad at all. He just must not like those tight squeezes getting in, after all Mirkwood was underground. Probably just not hard to get in though. ;-)
I had to laugh at the story of the twins telling Arwen on him and then her dragging him out on the dance floor all night long. Poor elf.
Author's reply
Don't. Caves are fine, but 1000 foot crawlways sound like torture. I often wonder who first thinks to go into a tiny hole in the ground, where you can't even turn round to get back. And why. And don't even start on the ones where you have to dive under water to get into the cave.
It's always two against one when the twins take on anyone else - but there's nothing vindictive about their sense of humour. The teasing is a Sign of Affection, right! Although Legolas is a lot younger, they understand each other pretty well - being the sons of Arda's powerful Elf Lords has given them a long history of things in common.
I think Legolas thinks of Gimli quite often. As they all think of those they have lost - not to dwell on loss, but to celebrate what they shared, really.
elliska
· 8 December 2004
· Chapter 46: Into the Darkness
I bet those twins were just merciless against Legolas...for thousands of years. Somehow I just loved picturing that teasing.
I am from Kentucky and I spent a good amount of time in caves there so I always feel for Legolas when people write these cave fics. Every year I went on the 'Wild Cave Tour' in Mammoth. It was different everytime and everytime there was at least one hole where we were all saying, 'Where? Where's the hole we're squeezing into? Don't see it.' It was insane but fun. Doubt Legolas would have liked it.
Pretty description of the waterfall. Reminds me of a few places I've seen.
The last line was so sad though. Of course he'd be reminded of the ones he's lost. Loved this one
Author's reply
Everything must provide reminders to elves, I should think. And relationships with mortals must leave scars - but I think they would learn to treasure what they had and hope they would cope with the loss.
I haven't been in that many caves - and none that you had to squeeze into. And I would never even consider those you had to dive to get into. Although I regret that I never went to France in the days when it was possible to go to Lascaux.
Men just seem to show affection through teasing - it's when they are unfailingly polite you know they can't stand someone. It is rather harder for Legolas to retaliate though - there's only one of him and he is quite a lot younger, but he is used to the twins teasing him.
Jay of Lasgalen
· 8 December 2004
· Chapter 46: Into the Darkness
The caves sound wonderful - how sad that Gimli did not live to see them. The twins clearly have no aversion to going in, but Legolas is not at all keen.
I wonder, is it canon that he dislikes caves? I write that myself, but apart from not wanting to enter Moria - and none of the others do either - the only other reference is his apparent reluctance to visit the caves of Helm's Deep. Rereading that, it sounds more like he is teasing Gimli, rather than voicing real reluctance.
Author's reply
I would have thought that, even if he didn't mind caves before, Moria would have put him off a bit. And the feeling of confinement probably wouldn't be appealing to someone who likes to be in the trees singing to the stars.
I'm not surprised your Legolas doesn't like caves after being squashed in one (what were the eyes? A foreshadowing? An illusion? Or something nasty in the caves?)
Legolas here - can cope with more open caves, I think, but doesn't like having to squeeze through low, tight clefts in the rock to reach them.
lwarren
· 8 December 2004
· Chapter 46: Into the Darkness
What a beautiful description of a cave designed with elves in mind! If only Legolas did not have to endure the close confines and pointy jabs of his best friends to get there! But Bodkin, that last line...I was so not expecting to cry over this one........
Lovely, though it must have reminded Legolas so much of the first trip into Aglarond with Gimli...the trip that left him virtually speechless afterwards.
linda
Author's reply
Open caves are fine - it's the duck and squeeze bits that make you too aware of the weight of stone above your head that turn me against the idea of going underground. The last line, huh? (The next reflection carries on from this one, you know!)
When you live as long as elves, almost everything must remind you of something - do you think you would have to welcome that and relish the memories it brings?
And where would these friends be without the pointy jabs!
daw the minstrel
· 8 December 2004
· Chapter 46: Into the Darkness
I have to admit I breathed a little hard at the idea of squeezing through a tight opening in the rock like that. I wouldn't want to do it, I'm afraid.
I hadn't even thought about the fact that Legolas might be missing Gimli. This was a nice reminder.
Author's reply
I don't much like the idea of tight places - big caves are OK, but when you see people squeezing through tiny little gaps and ducking underwater to get into them, I do tend to wonder who ever thought to go there in the first place.
They all have so many mortals to remember - who all meant so much in their lives and contributed to the elves they are now. (I wonder if there might be elflings named Gimli and Estel and Frodo one day. Or maybe elvish translations of the names.) They take out the memories and shine them sometimes, but they treasure them always in their hearts.
lwarren
· 3 December 2004
· Chapter 45: Dates
I firmly believe there is something in the male genetic code that renders them mindless where dates are concerned! My husband last April 26 sent this wonderful bouquet of flowers to my school...had it delivered to my room...everyone was so impressed because I told them he knew I was feeling bad and sent it to cheer me up. I walk in the house that afternoon and ask what the occasion is and he grins and gloats "you forgot our anniversary is today!" I almost died laughing...it was the 26th of May, not April...still, I enjoyed the flowers! lol Legolas was SO lucky his naneth bailed him out of that little situation! This was very funny - but the conversations between the twins and Legolas are always hilarious, and the fact that the wives sent E2 to find Legolas made me almost choke laughing! :-) Just a funny, sweet story of 3 good friends bemoaning the mysterious and unfathomable minds of their better halves *vbg*! Great, Bodkin!
linda
Author's reply
It's somehow even more entertaining when they try and get it wrong! Do they not have diaries? Can they not transcribe things from one year to the next? Or flag dates up on the computer?
Legolas was very lucky - although had he been there to reward Elerrina for her devotion in other ways, maybe she would have overlooked the forgetting of a gift! His naneth helped him out, but note she didn't explain to him - female solidarity rules.
Thank you! I love doing these - nothing ever has to be resolved and they can just moan and tease and throw out ideas. Such fun to do.
Ellie
· 3 December 2004
· Chapter 45: Dates
Too funny! I love the bantering back and forth and how "henpecked" the three guys are. One would not have expected that of warriors of their prowess. I'm so glad that it takes lovely females to make them helpless and put them in their places. I'm glad Legolas' mother rescued him from his ill fate.
Good job!
Author's reply
They are happy, though - they have found the ellyth they never discovered in Arda and they are perfectly prepared to let them have their fun. But they still manage their lads' trips away and do pretty much as they like. Their wives pander to them, too. (Big tough warriors often seem to be putty in the hands of their womenfolk.)
Legolas's mother put in a partial rescue. She made sure he wouldn't really upset Elerrina - but she didn't let him get away with it altogether, because it's the twins who let him know exactly what he's missing. The Freemasonry of Females versus Males can't be abandoned altogether!!
Jay of Lasgalen
· 3 December 2004
· Chapter 45: Dates
How nice to come back from a few days away to find some of my favourite stories waiting! I think forgetting special dates *is* a male gene - my husband is certainly guilty. (I overheard a conversation early one morning several years ago: Children: "Daddy, it's Mummy's birthday today." Husband: "No, I think it's next week." Children: "No, it's Mummy's birthday today." Husband: "Oh." He blamed me for nor reminding him! But it's not just men: even worse was the colleage who forgot her twin's birthday!
Enough rambling - I liked this, especially the twins' glee at Elerrina's likely reaction!
Jay
Author's reply
The twins probably wouldn't be gleeful if they didn't know that Legolas is quite capable of getting round Elerrina. I think all three of them are very happily married at the moment - and at the stage where all the manoeuvring is fun. (Except possibly some of the wilder elfling moments - the ones that, once survived, have Elrond and Celebrian rejoicing in payback time.)
Men and multi-tasking don't mix. (It's the reason secretaries were invented.) They haven't really grasped, I feel, that if you have to tell them it's your birthday/anniversary/etc, then it's not worth bothering. It's like expecting you to organise your own Christmas presents. . . . hang on a moment . . . ah!
elliska
· 3 December 2004
· Chapter 45: Dates
Evil author! You didn't even tell us what the gift is! Of course little things left to the imagination like that are always more fun then knowing. But still, this almost qualifies as a cliff hanger--we don't know what the gift is and we don't know how Elerrina reacts. How cruel you are. :)
I just love these reflections. For example:
There are, I have discovered many reasons to be grateful for the presence of my naneth.
and
‘I know you are hinting at something,’ Legolas sighed, ‘that I am clearly too dense to understand. Take pity on me and simply tell me what I have done.’
and definitely:
Legolas grimaced. ‘I had better let her get her annoyance out of her system, then,’ he said, ‘before I tell her what delayed me.’
‘You have learned wisdom, my friend,’ Elrohir approved.
‘Is the excuse likely to worsen her wrath, then?’ Elladan asked curiously. ‘I can never decide,’ he continued, ‘whether it is better to present Miriwen with all the bad news in one go and endure her reaction, or to dole it out in smaller doses, each of which brings about a lesser explosion.’
Great lines. Too funny for the last two sets and the first one is, in a way sweet and in a way very sad. I just love these! Have I said that already? :)
Author's reply
Legolas wouldn't say what it was! He wants it to be a surprise for Elerrina.
It must be one of those reunions that makes you stop and marvel sometimes. Not a mother in the raising you sense - but in elven lifespans that would never take up more than a few years of a never-ending relationship and with the kind of spiritual union they seem to be capable of having - parent/child bonds, husband/wife bonds etc, they might be able to get over physical absence more easily than humans. It must be amazing, though, to look up and see, unchanged, one you remember only vaguely from childhood - and see your adar in a constant state of euphoric happiness.
I don't think Legolas - or Elladan and Elrohir are going to be any better at taking hints than any other males. They probably need hitting over the head with a wet fish before they realise that their wives are trying to tell them something. And Legolas quite likes winding Elerrina up - especially when he knows that he can take the wind out of her sails so easily. They are all enjoying their relationships. The only one that makes poor Elrohir feel a bit helpless is the intransigence of Nimloth - but she will grow up - his daughter is just rather too like his brother as an elfling. Fun to be with, but less fun to parent!
daw the minstrel
· 3 December 2004
· Chapter 45: Dates
Now I want to know what the gift is! Bad Legolas!
For reasons that are probably troubling if you think about it, neither my husband nor I can remember our anniversary date. As a matter of fact, as I was typing this, it just dawned on me that it's either next Friday or next Sunday. I'll have to go and look at the sample my sister made for us. I will bless her a thousand times because she put the date there!
Author's reply
I don't know. He wouldn't say. But he's sure that it will make Elerrina very very happy - and putty in his hands! (He might not be right, of course. Males can make some Very Big Mistakes with gifts. Except that his naneth approved.)
I never think about our anniversary. I can remember the date if asked, but it would never occur to either of us to do anything about it. If it were not for the card that invariably arrives from my mother, I'm sure it could pass without any comment at all.
Ellie
· 29 November 2004
· Chapter 43: By the Water
Too funny! I love the idea of passing difficult kids off onto the grandparents. I wonder if Finarfin ever tried it with Galadriel? Then again maybe he did and that's how she turned out the way she did. hmm... YOu know the twins could try pawning the kids off on the twins' great grandparents...another hmmm...look at that plot bunny go. Want to chase it?
Author's reply
So many of Galadriel's relatives are - shall we say - strong! Actually, come to think of it, so are Celeborn's and Elrond's. It's no wonder the kids are so forceful - their adult role models are pretty tough.
Talking of great grandparents - I wonder if Earendil and Elwing are available . . . and whether they might be interested in a 'Take the Grandkids to Work' day.
Ellie
· 29 November 2004
· Chapter 44: Parents and Children
What wonderful ponderings on naneths and poor Legolas! I'm glad he is liking having his mother around. I really like the way you bring out the contemplative side fot eh twins nad Legolas in these little fics. You give such wonderful insight into the characters.
Well done.
Ellie
Author's reply
Since the pieces are so short, they give a perfect opportunity for setting up thoughts, but without having to come to any resolution. Which is like life, I suppose. Thank you for your comments - I'm blushing.
lwarren
· 27 November 2004
· Chapter 44: Parents and Children
Such a neat twist here - the child sees the parents' POV when he becomes the parent. I used to tell my daughter "just you wait until you have your own...then you'll understand" and boy, does she ever!!!! LOL (Yes, there is justice in the world of parenting if you are patient enough to wait for it!)
This was a serious look though at the thought of Thranduil having to raise Legolas without his mother. Usually eyes are centered on poor Legolas without his naneth. I thought is was quite telling, too, when Legolas said he had his naneth now, but not necessarily his nana. I'm hoping as time goes on, he'll draw closer to her. Still she's missed so much...can she ever really be his mom, and not just Mother? Sad, sad questions.
The twins are, as usual, hilarious where their elflets are concerned. I loved the place where they kept teasing each other about those deeply hidden facets of their personality that they don't want anyone to know about! LOL These little vignettes are priceless...deep, too. They are just short enough that those telling conversations don't get lost. Wonderful, Bodkin!
linda
(Ah, Elrohir...such a sweet, romantic elf! *sigh*)
Author's reply
My husband keeps telling the offspring that when they get their own homes, he will come round and put his feet on the furniture!
I'm sure Legolas will develop a close relationship with his naneth, but she never will be his nana - those early years cannot be recovered. It has probably made him closer to his adar, though, than he would have been otherwise, so they might all take consolation in that. And the grandchildren will be something that will draw them all closer together.
The joy about these being so short, is that there is no need to try to answer any of the points that are made! (Which is good, for some of them are unanswerable.)
Elrohir - a romantic elf, yes. . . .and yet, Elladan's more boisterous personality conceals a core of pure marshmallow. Just ask Miriwen.
Nilmandra
· 26 November 2004
· Chapter 44: Parents and Children
This is one of those things that maybe we humans can never understand, for can you imagine a parent coming back to life, a parent who died when you were a child? How do you establish the relationship anew? This person gave you birth, but known little of your life. Yet, she is wife to your father and is your mother. But perhaps not nana. I think that role might be forever gone, or was filled by someone else. I actually thought about that when I had Legolas arrive in Valinor, and he was met by Tathiel and his naneth.
Nice chapter. Poor Elrohir, too. The best inlaws, but in their family HE is the bad influence!!
Author's reply
Yes - Tathiel was Legolas's Nana, whether he called her that or not - being a Nana is more than a biological relationship. It's a bit like when adopted children meet their birth mother - it works for some, but not for others and it's never really a parent / child relationship, because it is the feeding and changing and day to day care that makes a Nana. Yet elves have time to develop relationships and could learn, perhaps, an adult naneth / son relationship.
Quite funny really, to have Elrohir as the bad influence! But his side of the family does have the powerful (and scary) female role models! Just think of them all: Luthien (run away from home and fight to get what you want, regardless of paternal advice), Elwing (refuse to give up that *** Silmaril, dive into the sea, become a bird and never see your sons again), Galadriel (stomp off across the ice, refuse to give in to overwhelming odds and prove that you can be the equal of any) - to name but three of them. Elrohir is probably lucky that Nimloth and Aewlin are as co-operative as they are.
elliska
· 26 November 2004
· Chapter 44: Parents and Children
Oh while I love it when you have other stories going, I am always so happy to see this updated. I love the scenes from Valinor. Legolas getting to know his nana again must be a bittersweet experience indeed.
I find I enjoy having a naneth--how sad is that casual comment! Poor Legolas. The twins are right; he lost so much.
But as usual you got some barbs in there:
‘There is far more Thranduil than you would think under that blond amiability. Just as there is more of Galadriel in you than you ever let anyone see.’
‘Do not tell,’ his brother grinned, ‘or I will see that everyone is made aware of the calm and reasoned lore-master hidden beneath the surface of your impulsiveness.’
Too true. Loved that.
Author's reply
Plenty more of these to come. I've already got five more written! Though I'm not sure I like the next one much. Have to see.
It must be very difficult to acquire a naneth as an adult - so much of being a mother is bound up in early experience; being there, soothing disputes, looking after hurt kids, feeding, clothing, loving, worrying, helping with schoolwork and so on. Legolas doesn't need that now - that care was provided by others. They have to learn their relationship as adults. It might even be hard to learn to be a grandmother under those circumstances. (Of course, it might be fun for Legolas to become a much older brother!)
It is tempting at time to look on Legolas and the twins as kids - but they are thousands of years old and the descendants of very powerful ancestors. They would have the qualities of their kin, honed by their position in life. (It doesn't show much in these, because they are always off-duty and out with their mates, but sometimes there are hints of maturity and power.)
daw the minstrel
· 26 November 2004
· Chapter 44: Parents and Children
One of the nice things about these little glimpses is how they allow your characters to muse on interesting questions, such as what it must be like to acquire a naneth as an adult. The conversation in this one was thought provoking. The twins are appreciating their wives and analyzing Legolas's character and their own. Galadriel in Elrohir? That's an interesting thought!
Author's reply
I like doing these because their brevity means that I don't have to answer the points they raise! They can just talk and come up with ideas and move on to joking - just like people do.
Elrohir seems quieter and more romantic than Elladan, but he has a core of steel and a well-developed sense of responsibility, I think.
Jay of Lasgalen
· 26 November 2004
· Chapter 44: Parents and Children
I'm glad to see the return of this tale - I enjoyed the story of Mithrellas, but for me this is more satisfying. For all the light-hearted banter, there is a depth to the characters that I love. I particularly liked the way Elrohir's perspective has changed over the years - from pitying Legolas for not having a mother, he now sympathises with Thranduil for raising a child alone.
‘As long as I have Sirithiel by my side to laugh with me,’ Elrohir added softly. ' A lovely ending, Bodkin. Elrohir is still besotted with his wife - and I don't think he'll ever change.
Author's reply
Elrohir is a gentle romantic at heart!
It is interesting how your viewpoint changes depending on where you are at the time. You don't really think much about parents when you are a child - they are just there. It's not until you have your own children that you see their perspective.
(I've already got five more of these stacked up, so there's no likelihood of them ending in the immediate future!)