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Tapetum Lucidum · 13 June 2004 · Chapter 6: The Morning After

As much trouble as Eilian was having shaking off his stiffness and the shadow - the other, less accustomed elves must have felt it much worse. It is always nice when a sibling and commander gives you a compliment. He should remember it next time he serves with Legolas. You did a good job describing how the members of the council react to the darkness. Some much more strongly than others. Glorfindel staying with Elrond made sense - as did Eilian taking point on the scouting mission. Having the elves use warg calls as signals was a stroke of genius on your part - very appropriate in the dark woods. You left them with orcs coming?! That was very mean. Poor Legolas and Todith. They are in big trouble. It was the King's decision to leave the Naugrim alone but I wouldn't remind him of that right now... I am quite sure there will be no spiders left in that part of the forest after today. I agree with Thranduil - throw them in the dungeons. You have done very well leading up to this point in all of your stories. Your consistent mentioning of limited resources and a community that has been under seige for a long time is a good way to rationlize Thranuil's request for treasure. It makes him seem a lot less greedy and more like an excellent monarch.

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I imagine that Ithilden and Eilian felt sort of like outsiders at a gathering of the powerful, so they must have drawn even more comfort than usual from one another's presence. Also, they can probably read one another well by this point, so that must have helped in coordinating things. Legolas says that reminding Thranduil of his part in the decision making was NOT an option. He has more sense than that, thank you very much. I love Thranduil and I didn't want him to look greedy. That other story was from the Dwarves' point of view after all!

Tapetum Lucidum · 13 June 2004 · Chapter 5: The Wedding Feast

I loved this chapter! Your elven perspective was a great addition to the adventure! Their speed cannot be natural... LOL! Poor dwarves are being insulted and are too stupid to even realize it. Sinarn does sound a lot like his father. Legolsa could use a little of his eldest brother's diplomacy. Their timing and proximity to the wedding feast is terrible. Makes for a much more interesting evening. Having the King ride up on you when you are already stressed is not a fun time. Even Beliond bolted? I am shocked he left his charge unattended for his trip back to the palace. At least Thranduil treated his son like a warrior for a few minutes before he reminded him not to be tardy. Your description of Thranduil's spell casting was super! The merriment of the feast was in keeping with the event. I enjoyed all of the banter among the characters. Tonduil's nervousness was cute. I was glad to see Legolas and Celuwen keeping each other company. They were both a little less lonely that way. I pity the night shift. They are going to be in so much trouble. Both Tonduil and Legolas are going to get quite an earful as well. Beliniel throwing her napkin over Annael's head was adorable - and very realistic. The two guards Legolas came across after the second incursion were very pitiful. I imagine that at this age Legolas closely resembles his Adar when angered. A very scary thing. Amdir did the right thing by making the spiders his primary concern. You handled the bonding ceremony with the reverence it deserves. I was glad to see even the bachelor prince was in awe of the occasion. Too bad there were no curly haired elleth. Leaving Thorin in a heap in the clearing was very Thranduilesque. He didn't even bother to move him out of the way. It was classic!

Author's reply

This chapter was fun to write. I had originally thought it would be serious but Tolkien was too much for me. Just knowing how this looked from the Dwarves' point of view made me laugh myself silly even as I was writing. And even Annael and Legolas seemed to think it was funny. Now Thranduil didn't think it was funny at all, unfortunately. And I doubt if Legolas was too amused by the end either. Writing about Thranduil's magic is interesting because I'm ordinarily very much a realist, but there's certainly magic involved here, and it had to be Thranduil's. Do you suppose the elves dragged Thorin to one side or just danced around him? ;-)

Rose Sared · 13 June 2004 · Chapter 6: The Morning After

The tension builds. The eviction in the south is no doubt weighing heavily on Thranduil's land sense and making him even less tolerant of intrusion than usual, with his forest so stained by shadow it is not really surprising that he reflects its unease in his behaviour. Poor home guard, poor Dwarves - good old Bilbo to the rescue. Muchly enjoying this, as ever. Rose

Author's reply

I like how all the Thranduil fans make excuses for him. ;-) Dwarven imprisonments coming up soon. Maybe only Thorin in the next chapter. Depends on how long it takes me to toss Sauron out. Btw, I started reading Jodancingtree's story and am really enjoying it. Thanks for the recommendation. I've had no access to my computer for most of the late afternoon and evening but now I hope to get back to it.

Nilmandra · 13 June 2004 · Chapter 6: The Morning After

May I just say I'd rather be with Eilian and Ithilden near Dol Guldur, than with Legolas facing his father's wrath? Sauron is nothing after a dressing down by Adar! I like that not even Curunir could make Glorfindel leave. He has a job to do, darn it, and he didn't come back from the dead to bandy words with Saruman. The forest descriptions are well done. I like the use of descriptive language when it is used in this way - the forest seems alive, like a character in the story. I do not envy Legolas having to go escort stubborn dwarves back to his father. See, maybe it was him drinking with Galion when they escaped - he was escapting the dressings down he received!

Author's reply

Ah. I have my computer back. Thranduil is rather impressive when he's ticked. I don't imagine Legolas had a fun time. Glad you liked the forest stuff. I needed some physical sense of what the shadow was doing there. As for who was the head guard, you'll be the first to know!

Estel_Mi_Olor · 13 June 2004 · Chapter 6: The Morning After

Oh, Daw, what a terrible cliff hanger! The White Council and Eilian's Patrol are on the verge of an Orc attack, and the chapter ends! How sad! But that was very exciting! Great things happen whenever powerful people get together. Poor Radagast must feel absolutely horrible about the nature in that area. Well, no more than the Wood Elves, so nevermind. I can't wait to read about Ithilden's homecoming and the look on Alifrin's face when he tells her why he missed Tonduil's wedding. Speaking of which, Thranduil really knows how to make people uncomfortable, doesn't he? Poor Todith and Legolas. At least they gave Amdir a piece of their minds. I'm very glad he is the one who will have to bring the Dwarven leader to Thranduil. I can't wait for the next chapter, this is a very exciting fic! Keep writing!

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Have you read Jodancingtree's story "Following the Other Wizard"? It's AU in the sense that Frodo does not sail west but seeks healing in ME and it's Radagast who does it, taking him on his trips to treat ailing birds and baby foxes. It's quite good. Her Radagast is much more competent than the one I show. I'm looking forward to showing Ithilden coming home too. Alfirin will be happy to see him, but I think Todith will be happier! And Ithilden will not be pleased by all the dwarf stuff. There's no one like Thranduil for chewing people out. Glad you're having a good time, Estel.

Estel_Mi_Olor · 13 June 2004 · Chapter 5: The Wedding Feast

Wow, what a wedding! Poor Tonduil! At least they finally managed to get married. Good grief, but that night patrol is rather incompetent. I feel for Legolas and the conversation he will be having with Thranduil in the next chapter-I think. :) You've already updated, so I will be brief. The Dwarves were amazingly annoying, and perhaps it might have turned out better if Thranduil had never put them to sleep. Actually, it would not have made a difference since they seemed to be waking up at inconvenient times. I did not know that Thranduil had such power. Pretty cool. Legolas is so adorable in his competance. It makes me smile to think of him ordering everybody about when just the other day he was a little elfling... I will go read the next chapter now, keep writing!

Author's reply

Just had to point out that you and Thranduil agree about the night patrol! I had trouble figuring out just how the Elves made the light go out and the party seem to move (as The Hobbit tells us happened). Surely magic had to be involved and that meant Thranduil.

Dot · 13 June 2004 · Chapter 6: The Morning After

Woah, that was a tense chapter! I’m glad you wrote this part of the White Council goings-on from Eilian’s POV. Obviously the others must be feeling the weight of Shadow but as I said before I think it drives home exactly how bad it is when we see how Eilian feels. The south is where he spends most of his time and no matter how difficult it is down there, the warriors must inevitably get used to it to the extent that home is what seems unusual. For him then to find the area near Dol Guldur unbearable really shows how horrific it is. He’s becoming quite an expert at recognising the signs of the Shadow affecting his mood and shrugging it off. I imagine having experienced utter despair before he never wants to feel that again. It must be so difficult for the patrol not to kill any Orcs than come close. I’d say it goes against every instinct they have. And I can’t imagine how it must be for them to know what is going to happen and yet have to try to have patience. So much depends on none of them putting a foot wrong. It’s a good thing that twit Tinár isn’t there. I like that Eilian doesn’t know any more than we do exactly how the Council are going to try to drive Sauron out and what effect that will have on the Shadow over Mirkwood. We can all anticipate impatiently together. I mean, I know the eventual outcome, obviously but I can’t wait to see *how* you’re going to have them do it. And even more, I can’t wait to see the aftermath! I thought it was shocking that there was no birdsong to greet the dawn. I think that sometimes, no matter how good the writing, I probably tend to read about the effects of the Shadow without taking it in because I can’t really relate to it. But you have such a gift for adding details like the trees moaning, the eerie light and absence of any birds that always make me stop and shudder to think what it must be like, especially for Elves who are so closely tied to Arda. Eilian seems to revel in Ithilden’s trust in the same way that Legolas does in his father’s. I’m so pleased that Ithilden realises Eilian’s talents and the fact that he is more used to this type of situation than he is himself. But then, I’m not surprised. Ithilden didn’t get where he is by ignoring people who can give valuable advice. I loved the little descriptions of the other Council members. I admit I cringed a bit at Gandalf’s joints creaking but really, it goes to show how elderly he must outwardly appear and makes it even more amazing then to see the power he possesses. I don’t know why poor old Radagast had to be there. O.k., so they need his power but like Eilian says, he must really be feeling the pain of the forest and absence of animals and birds so deeply. That black squirrel is clearly not used to be hand-fed elvish waybread!! What fun it must be for novices to learn all the bird calls, squirrel sounds, and apparently even Warg howls that they’ll need to use as signals! Good old Gelmir! I suppose he’s been in the south as long as Eilian and can recognise the effect of Shadow not only in himself but in others too. It was *so* good of him to try and take Galelas’ mind off his anxiety. Hey, Glorfindel is like Elrond’s very own “keeper”. I never thought of it like that before! Eilian still seems happiest when he has something to actually do. Preferably something dangerous. It must kill him to be just waiting around. What a great image of the White Council just…standing there. Methinks there’s magic afoot! Orcs? Orcs? Do they not have enough to be doing??! “Shall I assume that the warriors of Home Guard are completely incompetent or would you prefer to admit that they were badly deployed?” Yikes! Poor Todith. What a thing to wake up to this morning. I’m kind of glad that Todith apparently ate Amdir. Yeah, there was the threat of spiders but I’m inclined to agree that the task of keeping the Dwarves away from the wedding shouldn’t exactly have been very difficult. It’s a pity, though, that no one was brave enough to tell Thranduil that he should never assume or he’ll make an ‘ass’ out of ‘u’ and ‘me’… Actually, I don’t really know what to make of the whole thing. I mean, it’s all very believable and quite funny when seen from the point of view of the Dwarves but when looking at it from the Elves’ perspective I can see how Thranduil would be appalled at what looks like the incompetence of the Home Guard. Like, technically they had cause to question the Dwarves once they intruded on the feast and then things wouldn’t have got quite so out of hand. *sigh* It’s such an odd little situation. I notice Thranduil isn’t taking any share in the blame, despite the fact that he’s solely responsible for utterly confusing the poor Dwarves so that they panicked and got lost. I do think the spider thing was clever of you – it’s the most plausible reason for the guards not being where they were supposed to be. I feel sorry for Todith but I must admit that I’m enjoying royally pi$$ed-off Thranduil. Speaking of feeling sorry for people, poor Thorin is about to have Amdir and maybe Legolas, both of whom are still smarting from reprimands, descend upon him! And then he has to face Thranduil… I think I’d prefer to be eaten by a spider. Really great chapter, daw. More please! Oh, and maybe more Ithilden…?!:-)

Author's reply

Eilian's bouts of despair always make me feel bad. I think he's a naturally cheerful, optimistic sort, which is why he can manage in the south so long, so, as you say, if even he feels the effect of shadow, they must be pretty bad. The thought of being caught in despair again must horrify him, so he really watches against it in himself and in his warriors. You made me laugh at the idea of Tinar being with this patrol. That IS a pretty appalling picture. I hope you're not disappointed with what I decided to do about the Council and Sauron's exit. I actually have that drafted. Right now I'm trying to figure out how to show Elves chasing spiders and an invisible hobbit. I love Ithilden's trust in Eilian too. I think he's come to appreciate Eilian more over the years. But waiting is VERY difficult for Eilian. Patience is not his strong suit. I just started reading Jodancingtree's story "Following the Other Wizard," which is about Radagast and found it really fascinating. I wish I'd read it before I wrote this because I'd have had a better idea of the possibilities of him. She treats him as a healer who is really in touch with the animals. I am still giggling at the idea of someone telling Thranduil that "assume" thing. I had never heard it before. Something tells me the king would not be ammused. Nilmandra was actually the one who suggested the guards could be off hunting spiders. I knew they had to be close by because in The Hobbit they now come and carry off the dwarves, but she suggested that should be where the guards were. It worked nicely, I thought. I have to agree with your closing wish to see more of Ithilden. Later. I think there's plenty for all of Thranduil's sons to do in this complicated tale.

nessie · 13 June 2004 · Chapter 6: The Morning After

Now, how would you pronounce Eilian? I've been wondering that for awhile, and I want to get the pronunciation right before I get the wrong one stuck in my head forever. I hope Curunir gets a kick right in the rear. He deserves it, the obnoxious little sh*t. Wow. Sorry for that. Aww, and it wouldn't be complete without the brothers wishing eachother to be careful! It's so touching! Love it! But oh no! Orcs! Now Thranduil...Heheh, I love him. I agree with him, the guards should have kept the dwarves on the path. But then, he shouldn't have been so harsh with Todith. Poor Todith, I bet he's wishing that Thranduil be back now more than ever! Loved this chapter as always. I can't wait till the actual battle though, and if somebody's going to realize that there is food missing, being stolen unknowingly by good ol' Mr. B. Baggins. Update asap! ~nessie~

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Well, I pronounce it "Ee-lee-un" but Tolkien would probably pronounce it "Ay-lee-ahn." Pronounce it however you like. He'll answer to it anyway. :-) Curunir was really dreadful because he betrayed a trust. He was supposed to help ME like Gandalf did. Thranduil must be hell on wheels to work for. And it must be tough for him and his sons to separate out their personal lives from their roles as warriors and king. I'm gradually working my way to having dwarves in the dungeons and a hobbit haunting the palace.

sofia · 13 June 2004 · Chapter 6: The Morning After

Really good chapter. I hope Eilian or anyone on his patrol doesnt get hurt or killed by those orcs. -sofia

Author's reply

Glad you liked it, Sofia. Things do look dangerous near Dol Guldur, but the Elves are hoping to avoid any full pitched battle. They just want to boot Sauron out.

Manderly · 13 June 2004 · Chapter 6: The Morning After

The tension in the first part of the chapter is so thick that one can almost slice it with a knife. I am beginning to wonder how the members of the White Council and Eilian and company can even draw breath in those oppressive woods. In spite of all that, Eilian is still craving for danger. Talk about an adrenaline junkie. Some things will never change. Poor Todith and Legolas having to bear the brunt of Thranduil's wrath, rather unjustly I thought. It seems that the King has forgotten that he had taken on the responsibility of dealing with the dwarves himself, but I suppose his ire is understandable in that the party crashers interrupted the wedding not just once, but three times. Sometimes I wonder how Thraduil juggles with being the intimidating king and the loving adar when dealing with his sons.

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It's been a challenge to try to imagine what it was like around Dol Guldur. All I had to go on really was something Haldir says in FOTR: that there were dark fir trees with rotten limbs. And then of course there's talk of shadow, literal shadow. But Tolkien says the elves were tied to Arda so strongly that they were harmed when Arda was marred by Morgoth. And I figured wood elves would be really tied to the forest and choked by its being damaged. Thranduil is really scary. I wouldn't want to be one of his sons. Everything in their family is complicated by his dual role of father and king. Thanks for the review, Manderly.

Jebb · 13 June 2004 · Chapter 6: The Morning After

Eilian and Ithilden are really in the thick of it now that is for sure there was a definite feel of evil pervading the first part of this chapter it made for uncomfortable reading in that pleasantly frightening way that good writing has I think Todith and Legolas were also uncomfortable and perhaps just a bit frightened by the mighty and mightily furious woodland king who was taking no prisoners this morning and no excuses either Legolas was proved right his father did not say he was proud of him although I am sure he is even after the dwarf incursion! it must make for a difficult time when the family meet at meals for both father and son who have to balance family and duty all the time great chapter

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You know, I thought about what breakfast must have been like and decided that Legolas avoided his father and left the palace early. But even by that evening, things might have been tense. We'll see how things go. :-) I'm so glad you felt uncomfortable with the first part of the chapter. I worked it over until it made me feel tense to read it and then figured it was done.

Bodkin · 13 June 2004 · Chapter 6: The Morning After

Phew - the tension near Dol Guldur! The pain of the forest, the stress of the elves, the almost physical presence of the shadow; touches like Radagast's attempt to make contact with the squirrel, Ithilden and Glorfindel - swords in hand by the White Council - what a build up! I can't wait to know what happens next. Then - back to Thranduil. And a situation which, despite the anger and authoritarian ranting of the king, cannot help but have (quite large) comic overtones. I feel for Todith - I know that he is the Captain, but it really seems hardly fair to blame him, when he is being Ithilden and Legolas is doing his job. Of course, it's not really Legolas's fault either - at least in the first place. (Perhaps he should have taken personal charge after the first intrusion.) However, Thranduil agreed with the decisions and said he would see to it. But I don't think Thranduil feels like being fair at the moment - good job Legolas is used to getting in trouble. (Doesn't the Woodland King realise there are Tolkien-driven plot obligations here?) However, I can see how the dwarves ended up in so much trouble - hostile yelled-at Amdir and not-keen-on-them yelled-at Legolas are not going to be exactly friendly, especially since they know that any more mistakes are going to cause even more, possibly inescapable trouble - the elven equivalent of being sent to Siberia. Made my day when this came up. Update asap.

Author's reply

Glad you liked it, Bodkin. I kept working over those paragraphs about Dol Guldur thinking "This is completely abstact! It needs to be physical!" It sounds as if you think I succeeded. I can't get away from the comical overtones of The Hobbit. I was going to add "unfortunately" but maybe I should just enjoy it. Thranduil is not in the mood to be reasonable, as you point out. And Todith and Legolas will survive. I laughed at your comments on Amdir and Legolas passing along the bad karma to the dwarves after they'd each been chewed out.

Ms. Whatsit · 13 June 2004 · Chapter 6: The Morning After

The first part of this chapter was wonderful. The second part was also wonderful but had me cringing, which I suppose is what you were going for. I loved Eilian, of course. Eilian fighting off the Shadow, engaging in Brotherly Bonding with Ithilden, bickering with Maltanau...*insert long, fangirly sigh here*. And I laughed when I read about poor Radagast trying to feed a black squirrel. He is possibly my favorite member of the White Council. But, dude, poor Legolas. Thranduil is HARSH. And poor Todith too.

Author's reply

Eilian is really cut out for swashbuckling adventure. He even enjoys it for the most part. I'm enjoying the chance to write about Eilian and Ithilden in a dangerous situation together because I don't usually get to do that. Radagast makes me laugh. I am afraid I think of him as "The Loon Bird." I would not want to be working for Thranduil, myself. Legolas is lucky to have Todith as a buffer and Todith is probably wishing fervently for Ithilden's return.

Jay of Lasgalen · 13 June 2004 · Chapter 6: The Morning After

I'm afraid I think Thranduil is right - the Home Guard *were* incompetent if they couldn't keep a few dwarves away from the wedding; even if they did think it was more important to go after the spiders. Surely there's more than one patrol? So Thorin is going to be picked up and taken back for questioning now? Meanwhile, where are the elves while Bilbo rescues the others from the spiders? Things sound bad down in the South at Dol Guldur - orcs on the way? I know they'll be successful, but I expect you have a few interesting moments in store first! Jay

Author's reply

Thranduil invites you to just walk right in and sit down next to him to participate in the dressing down. He likes your attitude! I am working on spiders, elves, and Bilbo right now. The White Council is busily at work too.

French Pony · 13 June 2004 · Chapter 6: The Morning After

You've been watching old war movies, haven't you? I really liked the opening scene of getting ready for the assault on Dol Guldur. You've brought a thick sense of tension into the air, along with the sense that, for good or ill, Life As Eilian Knows It is about to change. Your choice of Eilian for POV was also good, as it's going to be more of a sea change for him than for Ithilden. I like the way you evoke the tension by pointing out its physical effects on the Elves -- the white-knuckled grips on the bows, Eilian having to work to slow his heart rate, the lack of sleep and appetite. If even Ithilden, old campaigner that he is, isn't eating, things are well and truly tense. And even in the midst of this thick, dark atmosphere, there are some lovely character moments. I especially liked Radagast and the squirrel. Both of them seemed marvellously in character, with Radagast being so friendly and the squirrel eyeing him and thinking "WTF?" in Squirrel. Only one thing seemed out of place here. I think that the phrase "he sent feathered death flying through the air" suffers from being just a little too twee for such a dark and momentous occasion. Other than that little bobble, I think this is some of the best writing I've seen from you. And meanwhile, back at the palace. . . . Once again, this scene is perfectly in character as you've established it, for Todith, Legolas and Thranduil, especially Thranduil. Everyone knows that the dressing-down is coming, and Thranduil delivers, on cue and with the expected degree of fury. I do think that, for all that it's perfectly within his character to be that mad at Todith, he's being unfair. One chapter back, he stated that he would assume responsibility for keeping the Dwarves away from the wedding. As I recall, Legolas asked what he should do about them, and Thranduil said, "I will take care of it." That puts him firmly on the hook, and I hope he will recognize his own share of the responsibility for the Dwarf Debacle. On the other hand, no one was hurt, and no one started speaking in tongues, so all in all the wedding was a success.

Author's reply

PJ (that great producer of fanfic) is the one who says that scenes of getting ready for battle are important. Even for Eilian, who loves excitement, this is a bit much. So you don't like "feathered death" eh? Hm. I like it! It pains me to part with it! Whine, whine! Thranduil is not in the mood for having his own words pointed out to him right now I'm afraid. Maybe later. And all I can say is you must have been to some exciting weddings!

erunyauve · 12 June 2004 · Chapter 5: The Wedding Feast

'Sinnarn looked sheepish. “I would like to talk to them,” he confessed.' Good for Sinnarn! His curiosity about dwarves shows a more thoughtful side and scores points with Annael. 'The words of the vows were sacred and were carefully guarded from the ears of mortals. It would be unthinkable to have the Dwarves intrude upon tonight’s wedding feast.' Excellent point! And I loved Thranduil's magical circle - that explains the disappearing elves in The Hobbit. I think people too often forget how much trouble the dwarves would cause for the elves by rousing the spiders. (I suspect that Legolas is going to bear the brunt of that trouble.)

Author's reply

Ithilden and Alfirin did a good job with Sinnarn, I think. I give Ithilden credit for that openness to the Dwarves. I had to think long and hard about why the Elves didn't just walk up to the dwarves at the feast and ask them what they thought they were doing. I made the feast a wedding just so I could use that thing about the privacy of the vows. And fortunately, I'd just been writing about young Legolas encountering spiders. Thanks, Erunyauve.

White Wolf · 12 June 2004 · Chapter 5: The Wedding Feast

I probably shouldn't have laughed at those poor dearves, but I did, though I also felt a twinge of sympathy. The crazy things that happen at weddings can make for some great memories - later on. I wonder if the elves will someday see it that way. I don't envy Legolas having to face Thranduil on the matter, especially right after his father's praise.

Author's reply

I laughed at the Dwarves too, even though from their point of view, things were pretty desperate. And I figure Tonduil and Aerlinn will have stories to tell their grandchildren. Thranduil is a hard person to have as a father, I think. He loves his kids but he's very demanding.

ValkrieCrow · 11 June 2004 · Chapter 5: The Wedding Feast

Uh oh, PO'ed Thranduil, not good. I would NOT want to be Legolas right now... Poor Tonduil! I can just imagine him cursing at the dwarves under his tongue because they are prolonging his wedding day...er...night. I absolutely loved this chapter, and I will be waiting for another!

Author's reply

Poor Legolas. It's not really his fault but he's in charge, and Thranduil wants to let loose at someone. And Tonduil was probably ready to either invite the dwarves or shoot them. LOL

Duchess · 11 June 2004 · Chapter 5: The Wedding Feast

Oh my goodness! They interrupted the wedding feast THAT many times?!? *shaking my head* good grief, poor Tonduil! And his lovely bride! *giggling at the thought that Legolas and Annael used to throw snowballs at her when they were Elflings* LOVED the reasoning for making the Dwarf party blind like that, too clever a way to work that in there. *vbg* Oh more, please? This is too good not to beg for another chapter right away. :):):)

Author's reply

Poor Tonduil indeed! At least he has a story to tell the grandchildren, assuming he and Aerlinn can ever get married enough to produce children. :) It was fun to try to work out how the events of The Hobbit might have looked to the elves. And I'm writing as fast as I can!

Dot · 11 June 2004 · Chapter 5: The Wedding Feast

Ah the excitement of it all. You know, this story isn’t at all how I imagined it would be. I mean, it’s still excellent of course. You do a really great job fitting your world in with Tolkien’s. Bravo too for such incredible detail, such as the colour of the hoods, the lights and fire, the crown that the king wears, etc. I’m enjoying your humour – actually my sides ache now from laughing! – but I really like that underneath we still get a sense of the threat of spiders, of increasing danger in Mirkwood and in a way of events spiralling out of the control of the wood-elves. I don’t think I’ll ever be able to read this part of “The Hobbit” again without thinking of Legolas, Annael and Sinnarn perched up a tree watching the Dwarves! I remember Sinnarn was curious about the Dwarves in ‘Fire and Shadow’ as well. Actually, he’d probably make a fairly good diplomat between the two races because he seems more open than most Elves and genuinely interested to learn about the Dwarves. What a good Ada Ithilden is. And Sinnarn *does* seem to be winning Annael over! Yay! It’s so wonderful to see more of Annael. I miss him when he’s not in stories. He seems to have grown up with a father willing to respect Dwarves as well. *sigh* Even the tiniest mention of Siondel makes me teary… I liked the bit about Thranduil guarding his people’s rituals. I’d never thought about him like that before but it really gives a sense of a king whose people mean everything to him and that the very essence of what makes them wood-elves is sacred to him. Tonduil’s marrying Aerlinn?! I do remember her being pelted with snowballs. And mud another time too! Whatever happened to Miriwen? You’ve an amazing gift for pulling all these people out of other stories! “Is Sinnarn nearly done for the day? His naneth is looking for him.” I thought that was so funny. Thranduil would never have done that with any of his own sons. It just shows how eager he is to please Alfirin. And it’s so endearing how genuinely fond he is of his grandson. The part with Thranduil’s magic was breathtaking. What a powerful image of the trees leaning towards him. I love the way everyone present can feel that *something* has happened and just gaze in awe at their king. It really shows just how very closely tied Thranduil is to his forest and in a way it’s almost as though his trees love their king too. Oops, I’m getting carried away now in my admiration for all things wood-elfy… The entire wedding was just brilliantly written. Again, it’s a treat to see Annael and Legolas together again and acting like the elflings they once were. It must have been a teensy bit uncomfortable for Emmelin to have to sit near Legolas and Celuwen when she’s being teased about Sinnarn. She definitely seems to like him, though. I do hope that Sinnarn isn’t more attracted to her than she is to him. And poor Legolas looking for curly-haired maidens! I think Tuilinn has spoiled him for everyone else;) “Dori! Nori! Ori!” Oh, that’s hysterical. Invoking a spell?! I loved Thranduil watching the events with a smile and Legolas realising just what his father has done. I always thought it was a bit odd the way the lights go out and appear again later. This was just genius. That image of Dwarves bumping randomly into trees and even Elves is definitely going to stay with me for a while! Thranduil must not have been impressed when Amdir & co came rushing in behind the Dwarves. Then Bilbo appears! Poor Tonduil. I wouldn’t have blamed him if he got a sword and went after those Dwarves himself. I must admit I actually felt quite sorry for Legolas when I saw the care he took with the “child” and in trying to ensure he found the mother. He’s a good soul, is Legolas. Even if he did just practically snuggle an adult hobbit up to a male Dwarf. As for thinking his name is “Hobbit”…that’s just so comical. I read this earlier in the day (under the desk at work again) and every now and then I just started laughing when I thought about little “Hobbit” the Dwarf-babe. O.k., I completely understand that Amdir thought he should check out reports of spiders. But crikey, the Home Guard are looking rather inept right now! It’s probably a pity too that it just happened to be Amdir who made the decision to take most of the patrol away from watching the Dwarves because he’s widely-know for his opinion about them. Where’s Todith anyway? At home in bed, I suppose. Actually, I think it’s good that Ithilen isn’t here, because he’s so ultra-efficient you probably couldn’t really have had the same story. Even if they had managed to intrude once, the Dwarves would very likely have immediately had several Elven arrows pointed at them. Legolas is right, Ithilden will not like the fact that so much of his hard work is undone. I really liked the different reactions of the Elves at the wedding. What a story this will make. They all seem fairly united in indignation about the use of a child, though. It is kind of amazing to think that they did nothing besides feel confused and outraged when it must be so completely unusual to see Dwarves at an Elven wedding feast. Still, I suppose if the king is still present and not unduly troubled they obviously see no reason to panic. “…not ten feet away from Thranduil, a Dwarf stepped into the clearing…” LOL! It’s as though they just *keep* coming! Ah, and Thranduil reaches the end of what little patience he possesses. I’m kind of glad, though. I do like to see the Elvenking all riled up. And those Dwarves really are making nuisances of themselves! Legolas and the guards are not going to be allowed forget this one. I can’t wait to hear what Thranduil has to say about things. It’s a little bizarre sometimes reading this when we know full well what’s happening but I love that you’ve really brought us even closer to the story and we get to see events from the Elves’ point of view. This was such a fantastically-written chapter. Are you going to show us Thranduil questioning Thorin? Please?! And just how are the gang getting on down South?!

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Geez, I love getting your reviews, Dot. I will confess that then I started writing this chapter, I thought it would be all serious. After all, things are grim from the Wood-elves' point of view. But then I sat with my copy of "The Hobbit" open in front of me, trying to be sure to incorporate everything Tolkien used, and the tone of the chapter just got away from me and turned into farce. I was dismayed for a while, but then I decided that was just the way life is too -- romance and tragedy and farce all mixed together. At least, that's what I told myself. ;-) But it was tricky, because Legolas really is seriously worried about the "child" for instance. So that had to mix in too. "Bizarre" about covers it. I thought that the rituals of Wood-elves must have a significance for them that is akin to what religion has for others. Bonding must be especially significant since elves really are tied to Arda and wood-elves must be even more so. That's why Thranduil's magic works through the forest too. The wedding itself was a joy to write about. I loved have Legolas and Annael laughing about how nervous Tonduil was and then how silly the Dwarves looked. I think I may have to start waving my arms around and shouting "Dori! Ori! Nori!" when I want to make something happen. And the Dwarves really are like ants at a picnic: you can't get rid of them! I'm working on the next chapter now. It should be a mix of the south and the day after the wedding at home. I always have trouble starting a new chapter, so we'll see how it goes. Thanks for the review, Dot.

emjo · 11 June 2004 · Chapter 5: The Wedding Feast

Daw, you are brilliant. I loved this chapter! Seeing the elves side of this event was very interesting. I can't wait till the next chapter!

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Thank you, Emjo. From the Elves' POV things looked quite different, didn't they? I struggled a little figuring out how to do this, but it turned out to be fun.

Rose Sared · 11 June 2004 · Chapter 5: The Wedding Feast

You use the scaffolding of canon to such wonderful effect it illuminates the whole story for us. Both yours and his! If you have any talent going spare could you put it in a box and send it to me, it's obvious you would not miss it, as you have so much! Thank you for the entertainment. Rose

Author's reply

Thank you, Rose. I had my copy of The Hobbit open in front of me as I wrote this chapter and it was a lot of fun to try to figure out how things might have happened. I finally decided that the Elves did NOT move the feast, but that the Dwarves got confused and came into the same clearing from different sides each time. I don't think you need much from me. You have your own nice supply of talent! :-)

Jay of Lasgalen · 11 June 2004 · Chapter 5: The Wedding Feast

Daw, what a wonderful chapter this was. I had to go and read that part of The Hobbit again, and it's amazing how close, yet how different, the two versions are. Seeing it from the elves' POV is great! Magic!Thranduil is very fey and majestic, and a perfect Elven King. Yet by the end of the evening, I'd do anything to avoid pissed off!Thranduil - as would Legolas, by the sound of things. And like Leolas, I can't quite believe how inept the patrol was. Jay

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Doing this from the Elves' POV was a challenge because I had to explain a whole lot of stuff that the Dwarves didn't understand. And then the whole thing turned comic on me. Except for pissed off!Thrandul, of course. I going to have make up some feeble excuses for the patrol, I guess. I loved Magic!Thranduil.

nessie · 11 June 2004 · Chapter 5: The Wedding Feast

Yes! I couldn't wait to see this part of the story, thanks for posting it so soon! I feel Thranduil's annoyance and anger. If the dwarves had cooperated in the first place when they were captured, they wouldn't be in the dungeons and the king would probably let them be on their way (but not without rolling his eyes of course!) Poor Tonduil and Aerlinn! "Poor Tonduil," Legolas gasped. "Perhaps we should circulate among the tables and urge people to eat more quickly." That part had me laughing! But finally they said their vows and stuff, and luckily those pesky dwarves didn't see it! But they were close! Ai, they just HAD to have come at the wrong time, didn't they? Well, I loved this chapter and absolutely can't wait for the next one! I can't resist an angry Thranduil! I can't resist Thranduil at all, but hey, what are you gonna do? ~nessie~

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Thranduil is pretty ticked off. This is a very private ceremony for Elves and the Dwarves intruded three times and roused the spiders to boot! He's unlikely to feel much sympathy for them. I figure Tonduil and Aerlinn will have a good story to tell their grandchildren (once they manage to get married so that they can get on with the business of having children first, of course). Legolas and Annael were enjoying themselves much too much! Thranduil is the best!

Jebb · 11 June 2004 · Chapter 5: The Wedding Feast

Poor Legolas praised one minute in deep trouble the next and all due to those pesky dwarves I like the way he refers to them as 'it' and you could sense Thranduil's growing displeasure and frustration as the evenin wore on and the dwarves kept reappearing as for the king's use of his own brand of magic I thought that was superb and so much in keeping of how I have come to believe in how wood elves communicate with nature all though your stories by the way I look forward to seeing the progress being made in the south as well as the confrontation between king and home guard lieutenant perhaps a good nights sleep will calm Thranduil enough to know where to properly turn his ire then again!!

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Thranduil just managed to keep himself under control by the time the evening had ended. Between his annoyance at the Dwarves who were invading something private and his annoyance at his seemingly incompetent guards, and his worry about spides on the prowl close to home, he had had it! I'm glad you liked the magic. I was a little worried about writing it. More magic coming up in the south in the next chapter.