How clever you are with your research! I had completly forgotten that Sauron left Dul Goldur to set up in Mordor. And what a tale you are making of it, how is anyone going to be back in time for the wedding? Eeek, glory on the battlefield and ignominy at home!
Can hardly wait for the next bit.
Rose
Author's reply
Thank you, Rose Sared. I had fun doing the research for this story. There turned out to be more material to work with than I thought there would be but I'm still having to extrapolate a whole lot, especially since I'm writing from the POV of the wood elves.
I had to work today and then went to see Harry Potter. I have to get some work done tomorrow too, unfortunately, but then I can write again. :-)
Elena Tiriel
· 5 June 2004
· Chapter 3: Decisions
Wow! Great story so far, Daw!
I'm really wondering about Saruman... I'm pretty familiar with the history, so know what will happen (the big picture, anyway -- it's the details you fill in that make the history real and immediate...) and how Saruman can use The Voice to mesmerize, and why Saruman finally agreed to the assault.
But I almost got the impression here that Saruman purposefully kept the meeting going until he -- somehow -- figured out that, um, the bad guy was ready to do, um, what he's gonna do (without getting too explicit!) Do you think he actually had some way of communicating directly with or conspiring with Sauron at the meeting? (I presume he didn't have a palantir with him at Rhosgobel, under the table perhaps? *snort*) Or did he know ahead of time that he needed to delay until a certain date? Or am I just seeing conspiracy everywhere? (You know the old saying: "Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me...")
Can't wait to read your thoughtful, intriguing, and creative vision of what happens!
- Barbara
P.S. Oh, please don't let the wedding be disrupted... at least, not very much!
P.P.S. I've recently been doing research on Tolkien's spiders, and only now really appreciate just how canon your descriptions of the Mirkwood spiders have been in all your stories... down to the black blood, which was mentioned only once in The Hobbit... Nice work!
Author's reply
In my world, Saruman was just putting up a show of resistance and waiting until the right minute to give in. Gandalf gave him that. At this point, I don't think he's conspiring with Sauron at all. Rather, as you know, he wants to get the One Ring before Sauron does. Can you believe how nervy he must have been?
Not disrupt the wedding? What fun would there be in that? ;-)
LKK
· 5 June 2004
· Chapter 3: Decisions
I promise a real review when I have more time. But I'm squeezing in a moment to say this:
Galelas: A warrior. Was a novice with Legolas. Has the great misfortune to be the younger brother of Tinár.
I nearly fell off the couch laughing when I read poor Galelas's way too accurate character description!
Author's reply
Wouldn't it just be a total pain to be Galelas? Poor guy.
Manderly
· 5 June 2004
· Chapter 3: Decisions
This plot is getting more complicated by the chapter. Keeping track of all these characters and their subplots - how do you do it? It seems like every person at the meeting has his/her own agenda. Talk about politics. I sense a trap being set here for members of the White Council. Really anxious for more of this story as I think an explosion of action is just around the corner.
Author's reply
I keep track of it by writing it all down. I'm starting to get worried about readers. Please tell me if it's getting too complicated to follow. I'm trying to follow Tolkien on a lot of this and he was one complicated writer. He spent most of his life putting down layer after layer of story, leaving us poor fanfic writers panting in the dust when we try to keep up with him.
Yes, there should be a fair amount of action soon. Actually, this should be a fairly action packed story once it gets really going.
Ms. Whatsit
· 5 June 2004
· Chapter 3: Decisions
Uh-oh. Why is this satisfying to Saruman? Was he trying to goad Gandalf and the rest of the Council into action by opposing it for so long, using reverse psychology? Hmm. And why would Sauron prefer to attack Imladris--maybe because Aragorn is (presumably) there? This is all very intriguing. I like Ithilden's sharp observation skills--he definitely knows something's up, especially re: the Elven rings. I've tended to think that Thranduil probably knew about them, but it's possible that he didn't and adds an interesting layer to the White Council's deliberations.
Poor Alfirin. No one tells her anything! There's a downside to being the "Mom" type of person, I guess. I liked Legolas's defensive reaction to Thranduil's jab about the Home Guard's control over the spiders, too. Soon he'll be the Legolas who goes off on a trip to Mordor and later moves to Ithilien.
I like how Ithilden can offer all those uppity Noldor and Istari something they don't have---a deep connection to and knowledge of Mirkwood.
"Eilian frowned. “What about his Orcs? What about the wargs and spiders?”
“I suspect that the Council believes that those are our problem,” Ithilden said dryly."
I think your suspicion is right, Ithilden. White Council--feh! (Heh, I'm such a Thranduil partisan.)
And we get to see Eilian again! And brotherly love between him and Ithilden. I especially liked him turning into a fanboy when Glorfindel was mentioned. Very cute.
There are so many plot threads in this story, and I'm in awe of your ability to keep track of them. Looking forward to reading more!
Author's reply
Saruman was a deep one, playing both sides against the middle. All I can tell you is that I am being as canonical as possible in writing about the White Council. I am making up very little of it. :-)
Yes! Yes! Legolas is feeling quite competent. And he IS quite competent. Of course, he still jumps to obey Thranduil (or maybe that's new ;-)) but so does just about everyone.
I really enjoyed introducing Eilian. It was time for him to show up.
I hope I'm not driving readers away with the complicated plot line. I swear it's not me. It's Tolkien!!!
sofia
· 5 June 2004
· Chapter 3: Decisions
Good chapter. So now the white council wants to try to stop them because imladris or lorien are in danger. How rude!
I'm so glad Eilian is involved. He is a smart cookie... or elf...
cant wait till the next chapter's up!
-sofia
Author's reply
The White Council does seem pretty self-centered, but then Ithilden is mostly thinking about his own people too. And I was happy when the time came to bring Eilian into this story. I've missed him.
LOTRFaith
· 5 June 2004
· Chapter 3: Decisions
I only have a few things to say... Are they crazy?!?! Completely insane?!?! Had a little too much wine??? But then again they don't exactly know what we know right? ... :-p
Author's reply
Writing about the White Council is actually a great deal of fun. They were important in the Third Age but Tolkien doesn't really tell us a lot about them. I'm trying to be as canonical as possible though. We'll see how it all comes out. ;-)
Dot
· 5 June 2004
· Chapter 3: Decisions
That was a quick update! I’m so glad I decided to check my e-mail instead of going out in the sunshine. I enjoyed the first two chapters but this chapter has left me absolutely *dying* for the next one;)
The White Council were really starting to annoy me. I can totally see how frustrating it must be for those who want action. And why the heck was Saruman talking about Gondor? Surely the rest of the elves must realise that it isn’t really necessary to spend their time discussing men in far-off Gondor. Yet, anyway. I will say, though, that while the Woodland Realm *is* in a dire state, for all Ithilden’s impatience at the others’ lack of interest in his realm’s problems, he isn’t really listening to them either. He seems so close to figuring out Saruman’s power, though! When he was thinking about how things only seemed “amiss” when he was away from the wizard – and the sound of his voice – at night I was actually holding my breath. But I guess Saruman is too powerful still, and like you say, Ithilden is still desperately clinging to hope that some good will come of this Council.
Mithrandir seems to be making odd contributions. Smaug? Imladris? It’s fascinating, though. I mean, it’s very possible he does believe that Sauron will attack one of the realms that keep a ring, even though if he found the One Ring he could have power over the bearers of the others. But it makes me wonder whether Mithrandir was also just trying to finally persuade the others to action by frightening them. They clearly weren’t going to act simply because Thranduil’s realm was under threat.
“Curunír was saying the same thing he had been saying for over a week, but somehow, something in his manner had relaxed.” Yep, because methinks he’s realised that they’re oh-so wrong. And didn’t he decide to wait because he figured that if Sauron were destroyed the one Ring might forever remain hidden and he could never have it for himself? It’s actually quite hard to sit back and watch him have so much control over what should be really powerful elves. It must be quite tempting for you to make them realise what’s happening or to make him more overtly evil. It’s always quite difficult to understand why the Council never really did anything before but you’re really doing a great job of showing the subtle control Saruman has and the reluctance of the others to act without his support.
“Ah, yes,” he said. “I had forgotten.” Is it just me or is Thranduil kind of short-tempered and distracted lately? Is something bothering him? I see Alfirin has realised that her family keep information from her. It must be quite annoying, actually, because even Celuwen probably knows more than she does now about events in the realm. It seems Legolas has just gained first-hand experience of what it must be like for all the captains to have to deal with Thranduil. I bet Todith isn’t the only one wishing Ithilden would come back! “Has the Home Guard no control at all over what menaces my people?” Ouch. Thranduil knows that’s no-one’s fault, certainly not Legolas’. Seriously, I’m worried that Thranduil is feeling a bit stressed.
I really am getting worried about Tonduil's wedding. Oh wait! No! It wouldn't be about to be interrupted by Dwarves, would it?! I'm really going to have to go and study the time-lines...
“Perhaps you are right,” said Curunír. “Perhaps we should strike now.” Ah, so he would appear to have at last realised that the only way to ensure that he has the One Ring – if it is found - and not Sauron, is to get rid of Sauron. I know Tolkien said that no-one else, apart from Elrond and Galadriel, knew who had the third Elven ring, but I wonder did Saruman know, or at least suspect, who had the other two.
“No,” he said slowly, “but I know of some one.” Ooh, Eilian!
It looks like Eilian’s life is much the same as usual! Orcs, spiders, Shadow, injured warriors, frightening the life out of Maltanaur… What a great captain he is, though. I like the way he tries to lighten the mood with humour and reminds himself to watch for signs of Shadow sickness among his warriors. I get the impression he really cares for their well-being.
I loved the little bit with him thinking about his bond with Celuwen. He seems slightly more content than he used to and it must be because he can feel her love and now always has a little piece of home with him. It probably troubles him that she’s lonely but I like the way he’s so logical about the fact that they each keep things hidden from the other.
“What in Arda was Ithilden doing with the White Council?” Eilian’s excitement is so infectious. Doesn’t he get enough excitement in the south as it is?!
“And the woods, Eilian! Think of the woods. Perhaps they will be made wholesome again.” That brought a lump to my throat! These two remember what their home was like in times of peace and it must seem like a dream to be able to finally believe that they will be as beautiful again.
“Glorfindel?” he squeaked.” LOL! That’s so cute. It seems they all turn into excited elflings at the thought of meeting him.
It’s great seeing the two brothers together again. Is Ithilden going to Dol Guldur too? I’m just so excited! Maybe I should have written a shorter review – I don’t want to keep you away from writing chapter 4…;-)
Author's reply
You are absolutely right that Ithilden is concerned first and maybe only with the safety of his father's realm. He thinks of the others (the Men of Gondor, for instance) about like they think of him.
Thranduil is probably a little short tempered. Things are going from bad to worse. And I'll bet you're right that no one keeps things from Celuwen. Although Eilian does seem to be hiding his less happy feelings from her.
And Saruman was one nervy wizard--fooling the White Council while he tried to snatch the one ring from under Sauron's nose. He got off easily in the end really.
Eilian is still Eilian, despite his bond and the happiness that has brought him. He can't resist excitement and he sure can't resist the chance to meet Glorfindel!
Yes, Ithilden is going along to Dol Guldur. I'm looking forward to writing about it. Sadly, work came sliding down the e-mail chute this morning and I have to write some other stuff before I can go on to chapter 4. And I'm hoping to go see HarryPotter today.
Thank you for the lovely long review, Dot.
Karri
· 5 June 2004
· Chapter 3: Decisions
Eilian's reaction to the idea of meeting Glorfindel was adorable. Ithiliden was excellent in this chapter as well. Very entertaining.
Author's reply
Eilian seems to me to be just the kind of elf who would think that meeting Glorfindel was a amazingly good thing. I'm glad you found the chapter entertaining.
nessie
· 5 June 2004
· Chapter 3: Decisions
Another wonderful chapter, Daw! But doesn't Tynd appear in "Growing Under Shadow" also? He was hunting with his friend, I think Riolith. But anyhoo, I see Curunir is using the dreaded Voice. Unlucky for Ithilden because he seems to believe it. Now Thranduil would just dismiss the calm tone with a wave of his hand and perhaps even a snort. I'm beginning to wonder if the merrymaking of the Elves in "The Hobbit" is perhaps Tonduil's wedding? Drat those dwarves for interrupting it! I hated how the dwarves were not at all polite to the Elves, and insulting Thranduil when all he was doing was protecting his realm! They showed more gratefulness to the Great Goblin than they did to him! Makes you want to stick something in Balin's eye. Looking through the list of characters on this site, I've noticed that they are missing quite a few characters. Balin, Dwalin, Bofur, Bifur, Bombur, Dori, Nori, Ori, Oin, Fili, Kili, Lindir, Barliman Butterbur, Nob, Nimrodel, Amroth, Bergil... To name a few! But anyways, back to the chapter...Yay! Eilian is here! Are we going to be seeing more of Gelmir? I just love him! He should find a nice elf maiden and settle down and have oodles of kids. Well, great chapter as always and update asap!
~nessie~
Author's reply
You are so right, Nessie. Tynd did appear in "Growing under Shadow." I added that to the list of OCs.
I think that Ithilden is more susceptible than Thranduil is to Curunir because he really wants to believe that the Council is going to help them. And they seem to be doing it!! And Eilian is getting in on the fun. I think that he and Glorfindel could have a good time killing Orcs together. I like Gelmir too. He's funny.
Poor Nilmandra. She already has a mile long list of hobbits on the site, and now you want all those dwarves!
Karri
· 5 June 2004
· Chapter 2: Battles of a Different Kind
*sigh* I want to like Celuwen. Really I do! Perhaps it is simply a testament to your phenomenal skill in bringing characters to life that she just irritates me to no end. Sorry about that.
Author's reply
LOL. That's OK, Karri. I suspect that Alfirin occasionally finds Celuwen annoying too.
Karri
· 5 June 2004
· Chapter 1: Shadows Closing In
A very exciting chapter. I liked Sinnarn's perspective.
Author's reply
I had to really stop and think when I wrote about Sinnarn. He had had years to mature since I last wrote about him and I wanted him to be like Eilian but also have that complicated by the overlay of Ithilden's and Alfirin's influence. I'm glad you liked him.
Jay of Lasgalen
· 5 June 2004
· Chapter 3: Decisions
I like the way that neither Ithilden or Eilian can believe the White Council are finally gong to act, and Ithilden's indignation that they only do so when one of the other Elven realms are threatened. Good for Gandalf! I love Eilian's excitement at meeting the legendary Glorfindel - I can see Eilian wanting to fight Balrogs!
So, are the dwarves about to gatecrash Tonduil's wedding? That would be fun!
Jay
Author's reply
I think that Eilian and Glorfindel might enjoy one another's company for a while.
You asked not too long ago if I was on line all the time, and the answer is technically yes! I have a cable modem hook up that's always running. And I work on my computer during the day too, so I hear an alert every time an email comes in. I am afraid I am only too glad to go read fanfic instead of doing whatever else I was doing.
rikki
· 5 June 2004
· Chapter 3: Decisions
Ooooh! Eilian gets to meet Glorfindel! I would think, personality-wise, both of them would be similar in the way they like to go out and meet trouble head on. Traveling to Dol Guldur to rout Sauron with the other members of the White Council should have some exciting moments. I picture the two of them as adrenalin junkies and Galandril and Elrond may well end up wishing they had stayed at home.
"Ithilden studied him in perplexity. Curunír was saying the same thing he had been saying for over a week, but somehow, something in his manner had relaxed." Ithilden is really empathic when it comes to gut reactions about wizards or anyone else. He is getting beyond being hynotized by the Voice and really seeing what Curunir is really trying to do. Here Ithilden is becoming more like Thranduil, though a lot more patient. I could just see Thranduil if he had been sitting there all week listening to the White Council. Mithrandir mentions Imladris and Curunir relaxes. Hmmmmmm.... Has Curunir already sold out to Sauron and knows his plans? If it is not Imladris, where? Well, I have some ideas, but will wait for your continuing story as to not create possible spoilers.
I liked the interaction between Thranduil and Legolas. Thranduil has forgotten that Legolas is leading the Home Guard while Todith is busy with Ithilden's responsibilities. It looks like his mind is on the wedding and Ithilden at the White Council. Legolas handled the situation about the clearing with his father in a very professional manner, more evidence of the Legolas we see in the Quest. And as he leaves, Legolas is making plans like a well trained leader. For a young elf, Legolas seems to have matured nicely and you give him just the right level of planning on making personally sure that he is involved in keeping the clearing free from spiders and in delegating the job to the patrols. I just wonder if Thranduil is going to leave well enough alone or will he start trying to "advise" Legolas in his position as Home Guard captain.
Great chapter!
Author's reply
I think you are absolutely right about Eilian and Glorfindel! Except I assume that Glorfindel has had time to gain more wisdom. But I'll bet the two of them could have a pretty good time together beheading orcs.
All I will tell you about Saruman's reaction and Mithrandir's suspicions is that I've tried to be as canonical as possible in this story. I originally had an author's note explaining my sources at the end of this chapter but I decided it gave too much away.
Thranduil does seem to have some problems remembering that Legolas is a competent office and adult, but Legolas did do well in saying what he would do to prevent problems. He's close now to being Legolas of the Fellowship. (Be still, my fangirl heart!)
Duchess
· 5 June 2004
· Chapter 3: Decisions
Okay, WHAT is Saruman up to? Why give in like that? I don't trust him, not one little bit! Is he trying to set up the White Council for an ambush or what?
Oh pleeeeeeeeeease don't let anything happen to ruin the wedding? I have such a bad feeling about that clearing now I can't stand it. And I HATE spiders!!! *insert heebie jeebie fit here* Just had a horrible thought, please don't tell me that while the White Council thinks that Imladris is going to be attacked it will be Thranduil's stronghold that actually gets hit? You've got me thinking that is what is going to happen since Thranduil pointedly said that clearing is only a mile away and Legolas admitted Spiders have been that close constantly. What ELSE might be hiding that close by? *whimper*
Eilian's eagerness to meet Glorfindel is too cute. The blond one is a little bit of a celebrity, is he not? LOL Don't let Eilian get hurt bad, (if at all!) okay? He and Celuwen need to have a daughter or two to teach him a lesson for his rascally ways when he was younger. *giggle*
I must say I'm awfully happy you put out another part so quickly. Great job too! :):):)
Author's reply
Saruman does indeed have his reasons for allowing the attack on Dol Guldur right now. :-)
But you do ask a good question: What else might intrude on Tonduil's wedding???
I have to say the picture of Eilian with a daughter is a delightful one. The males in Thranduil's household all seem to be suckers for a female. Even the elvenking lets Alfirin and Celuwen boss him around.
vic
· 5 June 2004
· Chapter 3: Decisions
Daw,
What a great chapter! It's nice to see Ithilden taking on such responsibility with White Council. I bet they were all too happy to see him instead of his Adar! I just loved Eilian in this part as well. You're right, he does steal every scene he's in. I can just picture his excitement at meeting Glorfindel. Very well done! I'm sure he'll be very pleased by this new adventure that he's about to undertake, thanks to his brother. Legolas doesn't have a major part to play so far, but knowing you, I can feel something in the air for the whole family, not just the upcoming wedding... By the way, thank you for brining Glorfindel into the story. May be he could be invited to stay with the Royal family for bit?! ;-)
One other reason why I enjoyed this chapter, was the fact that this was my first Bday present this year! I was doing work for my exams and a message popped up with your story update. I just looked over at the clock, and it's just past midnight, Melbourne time. I'm a very, very very camper right now, but must head back and do more work!
Vic
Author's reply
Happy birthday, Vic! I hope you didn't stay up too late working. You need to get out and celebrate.
Ithilden is turning out to be a pretty good substitute for Thranduil at the Council meeting, even though he still can't figure out what's up with Curunir.
There is much more Legolas coming up, but for various plot reasons, he has to be home right now (as does Thranduil, for that matter).
It struck me that Glorfindel and Eilian might enjoy one another's company.
tigerlily713
· 4 June 2004
· Chapter 2: Battles of a Different Kind
Great chapter! It is almost funny seeing Celuwen and Thranduil arguing. Really, what can he do to her, other than argue back?
Ithilden seems much better equipt to attend these council meetings than his father. I wonder though, if given enough time, would he eventually give in to the frustration and treat the matters much as his father does?
Anyway, I look forward to reading more! Lily
Author's reply
It's almost like Celuwen is taking unfair advantage of Thranduil and knows it and doesn't care. LOL.
I suspect that Ithilden would not be able to tolerate these meetings if they happened very frequently. He's too action oriented. But he also is painfully aware of how bad things are at home and he'll do what he can to try to make them better.
Next chapter coming up in a couple of days.
Jebb
· 4 June 2004
· Chapter 2: Battles of a Different Kind
This was a wonderful chapter full of little clues I think for what will happen later, I liked the idea of Radagast being a vegetarian it seems right for him and the way Ithilden arranged for his hunters to respect his views
Also the scene in the offcie gives an idea of the work load Ithilden undertakes and how much he is trusted by Thranduil.
Also smiled at Legola's dismay being caught in the middle and trying to be diplomatic and the way the 'discussion' was ended by Alfirin's entrance it is the quiet ones you have to watch out for it seems
lovely thank you
Author's reply
I am having fun leaving hints and letting people pick up on them or not. I even liked hinting about my own Rivendell story in which Amdir goes along on a diplomatic mission and runs into elves! This is hobby is so much fun!
Thranduil is lucky to have Ithilden, I think. If I lived in Mirkwood, I would want him directing the military, that's for sure.
And it is indeed quiet Alfirin who seems to run the household. Who would have guessed?
Duchess
· 4 June 2004
· Chapter 2: Battles of a Different Kind
I hope Ithilden is able to resist being drawn in by Saruman's sneaky tricks he plays! Thoughtful and smart of him to supplement his party's meals like that.
I see Tinar is still a putz. Nice to know some things will never change. LOL I was almost feeling sorry for Calith, but apparently he can handle it. *snicker*
Sinnarn is lucky he didn't run into anything on that patrol, he was daydreaming! *shaking my head* Hope he doesn't break Emmelin's heart, but she seems to be smart enough to be wary of the validity of his attention from what you wrote here. *vbg*
Ack! Poor Legolas, getting drawn into the middle of a quarrel when all he wanted to do was relax after his long day. *sympathetic smile* Glad Alfirin arrived to keep him from having to actually say anything to that last bit. LOL
More please?!? Soon as you're able, of course. ;)
Author's reply
Saruman is mighty sneaky. He fooled the White Council for a long time. At least he sort of did. Galadriel wanted Gandalf as the head, so maybe she wasn't taken in but Gandalf was sure snowed.
As I look at this review, I realize how many story lines I have going. The first part of this story is the most complicated, I think. After a while, things settle down.
I'm working on the next chapter today.
Estel_Mi_Olor
· 3 June 2004
· Chapter 2: Battles of a Different Kind
I really liked that chapter, Daw. Firstly, I liked the order in which you wrote it and the way you kept switching back from Legolas to Ithilden. It gave so much more information on the events taking place than would have been otherwise possible. Saruman is so annoying. I can just see him sniffing disdainfully at Radagast while plotting all the while. At least Mithrandir knows to watch him. But I am very curious as to why Mithrandir wanted the Council so close to Mirkwood. Perhaps he hopes that the members of the Council will feel the effects of the shadow by being closest to it, and therefore support Ithilden in this call for action? That's the optimistic view of events. I know they didn't turn out that way. :) Sinnarn is so cute! Annael really should leave him alone or he is going to scare him away completely, but then again, that's probably his goal. Legolas seems to be do wonderfully in his position of leadership. Thranduil has every right to be proud of him. I was wondering when we'd get to read about Tinár's internship with Ithilden. That argument between him and Calith sounds hysterical; wish I could have been there. I can also just see Thranduil and Celuwen having their heated debate and Alifrin's displeasure of it. One last general comment: You stories are so good, Daw, because you've made the Elves so normal, in a human way. As opposed to having your majestic Galadriel who is far and above everyone else, you have a family, who partake in the same amusements that are enjoyable to us and have the same arguments. It makes the characters so tangible and so understandable, which adds so much depth to the story. And I'm sorry I wrote everything in one huge paragraph... Keep writing!
Author's reply
I'm glad you liked the jumping around between characters, Estel. I was hoping it would not be confusing. And Saruman is, indeed, "annoying"! What nerve he had! He was trying to get around all these powerful people on the White Council AND Sauron too. Wow. He didn't care who he made enemies of.
Legolas is doing very well. He's close to being Fellowship Legolas now. I love seeing him be all competent.
I thought folks might like a glimpse of Tinar and Calith!
Thank you for your kind words, Estel. These characters have become very real to me. I'm glad they seem real to you too.
Dot
· 3 June 2004
· Chapter 2: Battles of a Different Kind
Y’know, I wouldn’t like to be the one trying to plot this story! There’s so much going on already and it hasn’t even really started. You do such a great job, though, in not losing readers but engrossing us instead!
I’m loving the Ithilden part of this story. I had to smile at him wanting to sleep under the stars. Can you imagine… Everyone else probably thinks the wood-elves are mad enough without him doing that. Anyway, it sounds like Thrior has well and truly taken control of this mission.
It’s fascinating to see the way Ithilden ponders who’s present and how to achieve what he wants through them. He’s definitely right that Mithrandir is his best hope to start with. His first meeting with the other Council members was hilarious, with them all sitting there looking startled. They obviously didn’t expect anyone from Mirkwood to turn up and when they saw Ithilden they must have thought for one horrible moment that Thranduil did come after all. I thought it was rather amusing to see how relieved Elrond was to hear that he hadn’t. I’m beginning to wish Thranduil had gone now, just to annoy them. Still, Ithilden has an advantage over Thranduil other than patience and hope – the others can’t possibly be as prejudiced against him. Although, he may find at first that he has to do some work to make up for his father’s sharp tongue.
“He had met Glorfindel when he had gone to Imladris with his father for the White Council’s first meeting, and he still felt like an excited elfling on seeing him.” How strange it must be to see historic figures wandering around in front of you…
“He sends his most sincere regrets that he is unable to attend.” Openly lying. Very good. And I see Galadriel isn’t above doing so either!
“[…]but if Curunír had been one of his officers, Ithilden would have been double checking every report he made.” Wow, I’m impressed. Ithilden obviously has a lot of experience reading people and his first response to Curunír is interesting. Of course, then there’s the power of the Voice. Still, Ithilden is very astute and first impressions can last. I love the way he just seems unsettled by the wizard’s whole manner but can’t really narrow it down other than that.
“Do not ever touch the papers on that shelf again, Tinár!” Well, you could have knocked me over with a feather at the thought of Calith being anything other than gentle and discreet. Tinar must be driving him insane. “Scourge to the enemy” indeed. And he shut the drawer on Tinar’s fingers! LOL! I bet he wanted to do that for ages.
Poor Todith. Whatever did he do to deserve Ithilden’s job. I imagine Thranduil “overseeing” his actions could certainly take it out of even the most hardened warriors. Oh well, at least he’s giving Legolas more responsibility, even if it is largely because he’s worn-out!
Annael seems to be rather undecided about Sinnarn. I think Sinnarn is going to have to put up with him hovering for a while yet. Clever Legolas to send them off together on patrol. So the bodyguards have to stay with their charges even in Home Guard territory? I thought it was funny that Legolas thinks Nithron has a thankless job – I seem to recall Beliond being less than enamoured when he was first assigned to Legolas.
It’s so sweet how excited Tonduil is! That’s definitely an elf in love! It’s a little odd seeing these two doing business together. When I see Tonduil I always think of the blue feathers in their braids! I though he really brought home the current state of the Realm. “We have lost a number of horses lately.” That’s so frightening when he puts it like that. And it seems as well that they really are having problems paying even for necessities.
“I doubt if there are any diplomatic missions in your future.” Certainly not one with Dwarves, anyway. Oh, wait…;-)
“Do not hunt nearby,” Ithilden ordered, and then added, “and make sure you are downwind of the cottage when you roast the meat.” I’d never even have thought of that. It wouldn’t do to inadvertently kill and eat any of Radagast’s friends. It sounds as though Ithilden is quite willing to bide his time at the meeting. His game plan seems sound enough, although despite his experience I’d say Ithilden may have met his match here.
“I had reasons for insisting that the meeting should be here on the edge of your father’s realm.” Intriguing…
That little piece with Sinnarn trying to appear responsible in front of Annael had me in stitches. I imagine there aren’t too many people that Sinnarn would bother trying to impress. He seems fairly serious about Emmelin, and I like the little note of doubt as to whether she feels the same about him. So she’s “cool and sensible”? She couldn’t really be anything else with Annael and Beliniel and parents, I suppose.
Legolas just keeps on interrupting arguments today! I actually liked seeing them argue. I’d say Thranduil wouldn’t take the trouble to argue with anyone whose opinion he didn’t respect. And she really is fearless, isn’t she?! Unlike Legolas it would seem. I too can see both their points of view – actually, it really was rather unfair that Legolas was dragged into the argument in the first place.
I really like the way Alfirin seems to have a lot of power over them. She seems like the mother figure, the peace-make but at the same time they clearly don’t want to cross her. She’s right too that they should leave their problems at the door. If it wasn’t for her they’d probably all spend a lot more time arguing. She’s so different to Celuwen, who really seems to be coming into her own in the king’s household. I think that even after all these years Alfirin is good for this whole family, especially perhaps Thranduil.
Oh – I noticed you changed your OC list back??! O.k., o.k., I’ll stop looking at it…;)
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Oh, ack! You know what happened with the OC list? I corrected it on the site but not in the file on my computer. I fixed it again.
I amused myself in writing about Ithilden and the other Council members. It sounds as if Thranduil is the guy no one wants to sit next to at the meetings in case everyone else gets mad and starts throwing sharp objects. And it's interesting. Ithilden is shrewd enough to feel that something is wrong but he also wants to believe in the Council, whereas Thranduil has given up. Thranduil is now capable of shaking Saruman off as if he were a dog shaking off water. But Ithilden is drawn in. Of course, so is pretty much everyone else at this point. And, btw, we don't call it "lying" when Ithilden says his father is sorry to miss the meeting and Galadriel says it's a pity he's not there! We call that creative diplomacy!
I thought that folks would get a kick out of seeing Tinar and Calith again. Poor Calith. Todith needs to send Tinar with a message to the Back of Beyond.
Ah yes, Tonduil and the blue jay feathers! What a great youthful experience. Maybe he needs a bachelor party where they repeat it. LOL And when I wrote that thing about Amdir not going on diplomatic missions, it felt like an inside joke for anyone who has read "Question of Duty."
When I first started writing more about Celuwen (maybe four or five stories back), I made myself some notes about how she and Alfirin were alike or different and how they would get along. I was afraid if I didn't do that, they would lapse into being just generic females. So I'm glad you see them as distinct.
Thanks for the nice long review, Dot. I'm off to write more about the Council.
nessie
· 3 June 2004
· Chapter 2: Battles of a Different Kind
Saruman is such a snob! I'm glad Mithrandir persuaded them to have the council there, it would be much more homelier (I'm not entirely sure that's a word, but oh well) than Isengard. I found the thing between Calith and Tinar amusing. Well, sorry this review's going to be cut short, but this was a great chapter anyways, keep up the good work. Update asap!
~nessie~
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Well, Tolkien calls Elrond's house "homely" so I don't see why you can't say "homelier." I'm sure the elves are happier in the woods than they would be at Isengard.
Calith and Tinar may amuse you, but they're driving Todith crazy. I think he may be about to send Tinar on a loooong trip.
Ms. Whatsit
· 3 June 2004
· Chapter 2: Battles of a Different Kind
Oh, dear, poor Annael. Sinnarn is going on a charm offensive, isn't he--and he's just Eilian-ish enough, and Annael is just nice enough, for him to succeed. Annael's wife might as well start planning for her daughter's wedding.
"“He sends his most sincere regrets that he is unable to attend,” Ithilden said untruthfully. He could have sworn that Elrond’s shoulders relaxed slightly in response to his answer."
LOLOL!!!! I love imagining Elrond staying awake at night wondering what Thranduil would say at the Council. I can just imagine him, Galadriel and Glorfindel gossiping about our favorite Elvenking behind his back.
"if Curunír had been one of his officers, Ithilden would have been double checking every report he made."
That's a great way of expressing Ithilden's distrust.
There was a fair amount of foreshadowing (or maybe I was imagining it) of what happens in later fics like "A Question of Duty." The bit about Thranduil expecting Legolas to sit quietly while his elders made his decisions for him, for instance--it was ironic considering that we all know Legolas is going to go off to Mordor with the One Ring without asking Thranduil first. And the bit about there being no diplomatic missions in Amdir's future (didn't he go with Legolas to Rivendell?)
Also liked Celuwen and Thranduil arguing, Legolas staying diplomatically out of it (smart elfling) and both of them shutting up when Alfirin is around. Alfirin does seem the type to want to avoid political debates at dinnertime. Celuwen, on the other hand, would probably thrive on it.
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I think that if Annael's daughter has made up her mind to accept Sinnarn, Annael is not going to have a chance to stop it. And if he believes that she loves Thranduil's grandson and will be happy with him, he won't even want to stop it, I'll bet.
Thranduil would probably be not a lot of fun to be at a meeting with. Not that Curunir or Galadriel would be a ton of laughs either, in my opinion. I think that would be one of those meetings to which I'd have to take my laptop and pretend I was taking notes when I was actually going wireless and reading fanfiction.
You are so clever, Ms. Whatsit, to see the looking forward to the Council of Elrond. I thought it was sort of an inside joke to write about Amdir being unfit for diplomatic missions involving dwarves when I did, indeed, send him to Rivendell.
And you cannot know how much you pleased me by seeing Alfirin and Celuwen as different. When writing about the wives of characters, it's hard to avoid making them generic females, I find.
Jay of Lasgalen
· 3 June 2004
· Chapter 2: Battles of a Different Kind
I loved the reactions and relief of the other other members of the White Council when they realised Ithilden was representing his father. Thranduil doesn't do diplomacy, does he? Ithilden should go with his gut instinct - don't trust the white wizard! - but he got sucked in by the Voice.
Tinar was - well, Tinar - but I would have loved to be a fly on the wall and seen what happened in that outer office! He should learn to keep his hands out of things.
Everyone has grown into their greater responsibilities well, and I hope we'll see something of Eilian soon?
Jay
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I amused myself in writing about how the other members of the White Council did NOT want to sit in a meeting with Thranduil. I have co-workers like that. And as a matter of fact, I am impatient enough at meetings that I think I may sometimes actually BE the person my coworkers don't want to meet with.
I'm thinking Eilian will be in the next chapter. :-)
Esamen
· 3 June 2004
· Chapter 2: Battles of a Different Kind
Ithilden had met her too at the White Council’s formation, but he felt afresh the power of her personality when she turned her gaze upon him.
“Indeed I am,” Ithilden agreed. “My lord sends his regrets.” He suddenly felt ashamed of his suspicions. The wizard’s manner was graciousness itself.
Todith seemed to have no doubt at all that Legolas was not only a lethal warrior but also a competent officer.
Legolas rather thought she was right, but he kept his mouth shut. Celuwen did not need his help in standing up to Thranduil
You have some marvelous action here . . . so rich with canon and powerfully enhanced with your own imagination! Yes, Saruman is demonstrating the power of his voice . . . and I love the strong presentations of Galadriel and Celuwen. I want to be just like Galadriel when I grow up . . . strong women rule!
And I just love Legolas the lethal warrior. He's blond, he's bad, he's beautiful . . . what a guy! Are we going to get some delicious warrior-type dangerous action with follow up H/C? or are we going to focus on character interplay and political strifein this story? Or are you keeping everything a secret for now?
Hugs,
Esamen
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I'm glad you're enjoying all these folks, Esamen. And I would say that both Galadriel and Celuwen show that you don't have to holding a sword to kick butt.
Legolas the warrior actually does my heart flutter a little. And you can plan on some battle scenes, I think, probably more than one. ;-)