Ah, Mithrandir...Always shows up in the best of times, doesn't he? Yep, I bet they're really disappointed that Thorin's alive and they have no claim in the treasure, but yet they're relieved that he did not die. Thranduil DID give those dratty dwarves a chance, they should have just answered him when he asked those questions. I am actually starting NOT to like Thorin. The more I realize how greedy he is, the more I don't like him. He actually wasn't my favorite dwarf to begin with, when I read the Hobbit. Bombur was ;) And now Bilbo's negotiated with the King. I can't wait till the next chapter, 'specially the battle scene! Update asap!
~nessie~
Author's reply
The more I read these scenes in The Hobbit, the worse I thought Thorin looked. I suppose he was just being dwarvish, and Thranduil wouldn't have reacted too well to an army on his doorstep either (heck, he didn't even react well to 13 dwarves), but still, he seems hard hearted.
Jay of Lasgalen
· 3 July 2004
· Chapter 14: Siege
Another great chapter, Daw. I like the thought of Eilian being one of the first scouts to approach the mountain, and Sinnarn being the standard bearer. I remember that Thorin shot at him - the dwarf doesn't come out of this at all well. Ithilden and Thranduil must be livid.
I liked Gandalf being cryptic, and particularly the confrontation between Legolas, Sinnarn and Bilbo. I think Bilbo was lucky Thranduil had warned them off harming him!
I'm looking forward to the battle, and making a list of who I think will be killed. Just don't kill any of Legolas's family!
Jay
Author's reply
The more I looked at this, the worse Thorin looked. And I never noticed it before, I think because I was reading from the Dwarves' point of view in The Hobbit.
Thranduil just keeps convincing me further of what a wonderful, wise ruler he is. He was ticked at the dwarves and he knows Bilbo was with them, but he's willing to make nice.
Nilmandra
· 3 July 2004
· Chapter 14: Siege
Its so interesting to consider the events of the Hobbit from the standopint of the wood elves. Clever Bilbo got Sinnarn in trouble...and although in the book the guard is nameless, whomever he is probably did get in trouble due to Bilbo's magic ring.
Bard also comes across well. Its nice to see a Man that Thranduil respects - and Bard comes across as a strong and thoughtful leader.
Tinar should be bashed up alongside the head. I'm just saying...
Author's reply
You are very sweet to say this is "interesting," given that I was just moaning about how boring it was. In the book, Bilbo suspected the guard would get into trouble, which is why he put the key ring back on the guard's belt.
Bard is a little scary, I find. I wouldn't want to cross him. Thorin is a fool, given that the guy intends to live in Dale.
Tinar, Tinar. His biggest punishment is that he has to be him.
Bodkin
· 3 July 2004
· Chapter 14: Siege
Beautifully interwoven.
Bilbo leaves as many questions as he answers - but if Legolas and Sinnarn knew just how much trouble he was going to be in, they might feel a bit mollified.
I just love this story - when is the next part going to be ready?
Author's reply
Sinnarn should start to feel better. Even with what Bilbo has said already, he should be able to tell his father and Todith that Bilbo was refilling his cup, so he wasn't lying about having only one drink. That should ease matters somewhat.
The next chapter will be along in a couple of days, I'd guess!
sofia
· 3 July 2004
· Chapter 14: Siege
good, good. Bilbo is a clever little hobbit, now is he?
-sofia
Author's reply
I suppose how whether Bilbo is "clever" or "malicious" must depend on your point of view! That's something I'm finding out repeatedly as I work on this story.
White Wolf
· 2 July 2004
· Chapter 13: A Creature of Fire
Wow. First Sauron is driven out of Dol Guldur and then Smaug is killed. The elves sure are having some happy surprises.
Thranduil watching his three sons and his grandson all together and realizing what a treasure he already has was very touching. As for Smaug's treasure, if the dwarves aren't dead, they'll be sitting right on top of it. That wouldn't sit well with Thranduil. I'm glad he stopped to help the humans. I would have expected nothing less from him.
Author's reply
There certainly was a lot of good news all at once, wasn't there? And yet, in the end, it wasn't enough, not until the one ring was destroyed. Still the forest had about 10 years of peace, Tolkien says.
Thranduil did the right thing, even when it was hard. I love the Elvenking.
Duchess
· 1 July 2004
· Chapter 13: A Creature of Fire
Very well written and I enjoyed it immensely. I'm glad Thranduil didn't disappoint Legolas. *vbg*
More please? Soon as you're able? *hopeful look* I know, I'm greedy, but it's your own fault for writing so well. lol
Author's reply
Thank you, Duchess. I thought it was sort of poetic justice that Thranduil now lives under the eyes of his sons, who all know what would be good behavior, because he drummed it into them. So now he has to live up to it!
The next chapter is coming along. This part has a clear plotline (at least in terms of external events) because it has to follow the book, but it's still interesting to think about how the Elves reacted to those events and the lasting effects those reactions might have had.
tigerlily713
· 1 July 2004
· Chapter 13: A Creature of Fire
What a wonderful mixture of emotions therre was in that chapter! Riches indeed confuse the mind and heart, but I am glad to see that Thranduil isn't completely seduced by them. His children would likely have been much dejected.
I can't wait for more! Lily
Author's reply
Thank you, Lily. I think it would be hard to remain unmoved by the idea of treasure for the taking, especially if your people might need it. But Thranduil knows what's most important. Gotta love the Elvenking.
Jebb
· 1 July 2004
· Chapter 13: A Creature of Fire
What a wonderful chapter and of course that was why Thranduil needed the treasure it all makes perfect sense now as a good king his subjects needs come first.
The different ways they heard of Smaug's death was interesting as was their reaction to the news
I am glad Sinnarn is being brought back into the fold again I think more than his minder have missed his presence
Also Thranduil's thoughts on the Master and Bard rang so true this elf is no fool he knows where the power lies typical that he would give up his tent when the human mayor would not nice point
But best of all his thoughts on his sons and grandsons he is rich indeed and he knows it
Author's reply
I've had some trouble trying to work out what I think about various people's claims on the treasure and there's more on that to come, but I think that Thranduil actually comes out of it far better than Thorin does.
The stuff about the trees and the birds carrying news of Smaug's death was straight out of The Hobbit. It's amazing what details are in there. I'm having a good time trying to work them in.
Annael is right: Sinnarn should not have to pay forever for one mistake. He's a good person and his fellow warriors have had years of experience with him to learn that. He is, indeed, one of the jewels in Thranduil's treasure.
Bodkin
· 1 July 2004
· Chapter 13: A Creature of Fire
What a tribute to Thranduil as a parent, that his sons should have such high expectations of his behaviour and motivations.
And to his conduct as king - but mostly it is the way he has behaved and trained them to operate that leads Legolas to feel confident he will do right.
(Poor Calith has been putting up with Tinar for 200 years? And Tinar is still learning to repress obvious signs of prejudice - he is a seriously slow learner!)
Author's reply
The good job Thranduil did as a parent is coming back to haunt him here. He's taught them clear, unbending ideas of right and wrong, so now they just assume he'll do the right thing. I think he would have anyway, but it sure made it harder not to when they were right there watching him.
Maybe "Poor Calith" is the thing we all should be saying!
French Pony
· 30 June 2004
· Chapter 13: A Creature of Fire
I wonder if the Elves have a version of the old rhyme "A son's a son till he gets him a wife, but a daughter's a daughter the rest of her life." I read the bit about how Thranduil is starting to see Legolas and Eilian as grownups, and I'm thinking of the way my mother and my grandmother deal with each other and with me, and I think "not a chance." Must be a boy thing, actually deciding your offspring can stand on their own two feet without you.
The troops are massing, I see. Thranduil assembles a great crowd to go after the treasure, for he is correct that unguarded treasure does not remain long in one place. Hey! Idea! Death match! Thranduil's treasure hunters versus the IRS! Sunday Sunday Sunday!
I wonder what details of Elrond's needlework on Gelmir could possibly be so gruesome that a seasoned warrior like Eilian would curl up at the thought of it? I mean, it's just stitches, really. It's not like Gelmir had a total hip replacement, which looks really vicious on video. He had stitches. I guess this, too is a guy thing.
And there goes Thranduil, turning aside to aid the humans. See, that right there is when I really knew that I liked him, right the first time I read The Hobbit when I was ten. You can always get money from somewhere, but turning aside from the quest for it to help someone is a much better thing to do. That's really when Thranduil proves that he's a true-blue Good Guy and a good friend to have. He can be my friend any day. And I think Bard will find him a good friend, too. Thranduil seems to like Bard. He has someone clever to spar with, and I'll bet he enjoys that almost as much as concluding negotiations successfully.
Author's reply
I'm not sure that Thranduil has REALLY decided that his kids can stand on their own without him. He had a moment of clarity, I guess. But maybe he's achieved wisdom like that. After all, he's had hundreds of years.
The idea of watching a hip replacement of video is making me cringe as I sit here drinking orange juice and writing to you. Why would you do that? I assume it must be job related, because otherwise, WHY?
Thranduil going to the aid of the Men is, indeed, a wonderful moment, one that the fans who call him greedy forget. He was under no obligation. He just did it because it was the right thing to do. I love the guy.
Death match? Have you been reading at ff.net again, FP?
Ms. Whatsit
· 30 June 2004
· Chapter 13: A Creature of Fire
Annael is really too nice. Good thing I know he's alive in A Question of Duty :).
Same thing could be said of Beliond. I loved him teasing Legolas about Hobbit--and I loved the bit about Nithron missing Sinnarn. Apparently Maltanaur and Beliond are not the only keepers to become enamored with their charges!
I liked the way you showed Thranduil's love of the jewels, and his sons' surprise and lack of comprehension at that. He would be particularly sensitive to beauty, as an Elf formerly of Doriath. It also gives him something in common with the Dwarves! I liked the subtle political interactions between him and Bard.
And Thranduil gives up his tent for the people of Laketown! Gotta love that Elven-king.
Oh, yeah, and you manage to bring in Tinar's buffoonery into this otherwise serious chapter, which was great. Is the office job a punishment for Calith, too? Surely he doesn't deserve this!
Author's reply
Yeah, it's like Annael, Beliond, and Amdir have immunity. They can do whatever they want and I can't kill them. They're taunting me.
Elves and Dwarves do seem to have a common love of jewels. It wasn't Dwarves who engaged in war to get the Silmarils back! I think wood-elves might be less interested in jewels than the Noldor are thought.
I think that Thranduil and Bard still have some negotiating to do too. Bard is a take charge kind of guy. But he and Thranduil share scorn for how the Master fails his people. Neither one of them would do that.
Calith is NOT being punished. He's just unbelievably good at organizing Ithilden's office (and the rebuilding of Lake-town). What he did to deserve Tinar is hard to imagine!
Manderly
· 30 June 2004
· Chapter 13: A Creature of Fire
The latter part of the chapter was really heart-warming. We haven't had Thranduil and sons together for a while now. Thank you for giving us some insight into Thranduil's thoughts about his sons. They were very touching. Thranduil really has every right to be proud of his sons, but he should be proud of himself too for he has raised them well.
I really like your Legolas, so compassionate and caring. Wonder where he picked up this trait from. Though his brothers and father are far from being cold-hearted, but they also do not show their concern so openly for others, especially if those others are not of the elf-kind.
Another wonderful chapter, as always.
Author's reply
I liked the idea of all three of Thranduil's sons together on this mission, sharing wine around the campfire and trying to keep warm in the November cold. They don't see one another often enough to waste the opportunity to spend time together. And Thranduil appreciates them together as adults of whom he is terribly proud. But you're right. He deserves some credit for that too.
I don't know where Legolas got his compassion from. Maybe from the loving way he was raised?
erunyauve
· 30 June 2004
· Chapter 13: A Creature of Fire
I love the way Eilian understood the trees at once, while Thranduil presumably got his news from the birds. I've always thought that it would have been a rather unusual thing for Thranduil to lead an army - I think Thundera Tiger mentioned the biggest problem in one of her short stories - someone would have to be able to close the doors of the cave in case of disaster. And it would make more sense to have Ithilden lead rather than risk the King's life. With Sauron leaving Dol Guldur and no real trouble expected, it's natural that Thranduil would make an exception here, and I can't help but feel that aside from the treasure, the adventure is part of his excitement.
And the ending of the chapter was perfect - there's a bit of an echo here of Feanor, who chose to risk his sons' lives to recapture his jewels, and Thingol, who lost everything to obtain one of those jewels. Feanor and Thingol might be remembered in the lore, but Thranduil had to have a bit more sense to rule for so long.
Author's reply
I forgot about the doors, truthfully, but maybe they can just be pushed shut but not sealed? Those things gave me fits to write about.
It's interesting to think about the fact that rulers in Tolkien led from the front. Oropher and Thranduil were both at Dagorlad; Eomer and Theoden were both at the Pelennor.
I think that Thranduil's heart is clearly with his sons and grandson. He may be a the ruler of wood-elves, not a Noldor prince, but he is far smarter about what matters.
Estel_Mi_Olor
· 30 June 2004
· Chapter 13: A Creature of Fire
Well done, Daw! This was a great conclusion to the Dwarves escape and an introduction for the Battle of the Five Armies. Very nice!I felt the same way Legolas did when he regarded his father with puzzlement. Treasure is all very well and good, but people are dying! I am so glad he finally went to help. It is very touching that Thranduil would give up his tent for the Men. Bard seems like a prickly characte; wouldn't want to get too friendly with him. The Master seems like an inept fool. Good thing Bard is there to figure it out. I especially liked that touching scene at the end when all three of Thranduil's sons are finally united as adults. Thranduil's observance of them as adults was also very heart wrenching. It must be difficult for a parent to realize that his child is a child no longer. They will be in for a nasty surprise once they realize that the Dwarves are not dead. Cheers, and I can't wait to seen what happens in the next chapter!
Author's reply
Thranduil came through, didn't he? The fact that he went to the aid of Esgaroth is something a lot of readers forget when they call him greedy. And the people of Esgaroth were lucky that Bard was there too. The Master seemed pretty much interested in his own comfort.
I loved the idea of Thranduil seeing his three sons and his grandson in this camp, enjoying one another's company as brothers and fellow warriors. He has a treasure indeed.
Elena Tiriel
· 30 June 2004
· Chapter 13: A Creature of Fire
Another great chapter, Daw! I loved seeing the brothers together, and Thranduil understanding what treasures they are, and Sinnarn being accepted despite his transgression. Please tell me this isn't one of those lovely family moments before one of them dies...
Your Thranduil is complex and interesting... and he is indeed a person who would say "Long will I tarry, ere I begin this war for gold." He knows the costs of war.
- Barbara
Author's reply
Thranduil interests me. It was tempting to make him too good (because he *is* good) but Tolkien does say that he wanted the treasure. Of course, that's Bilbo's perception, given that he wrote the book. Still, I don't think that many of us would walk away from a pile of beautiful, costly things that suddenly had no owner.
But Thranduil's sons and grandson are where his heart truly lies. And yes, as you say, he understands the costs. He's seen Wood-elves die on the battlefield and his sons and grandson are in this bunch of warriors.
sofia
· 30 June 2004
· Chapter 13: A Creature of Fire
oh, that was so sweet of Thranduil to give up his tent to the homeless. Then again, elves dont feel the changing weather as much as mortal people do. Its exciting reading about it in this point of view.
-sofia
Author's reply
You're right, I think. Thranduil would not suffer as much from the cold as the people of Esgaroth would. They'd gotten wet and it was November, so I imagine that lots of them were getting sick. But the Elves and the Men will build huts now from the timber Thranduil is letting them cut, so they should survive the winter ok.
nessie
· 30 June 2004
· Chapter 13: A Creature of Fire
Awww! Thranduil is so generous! Giving them his tent and stuff! And then thinking that he already had treasure that was worth more than jewels in his life. I see though that he was a little over-eager about the treasure. He does have a weakness for it, but it's good to know he didn't start a war over it. And he's even letting them cut down trees for the Men so they could rebuild their houses! Poor trees! Oh, I can't wait till the next chapter! Update asap!
~nessie~
Author's reply
Thranduil is generous with a true ruler's generosity: He thinks that the person who governs should look to the good of his people before he looks to his own. Too bad the Master of Esgaroth doesn't think that way.
When I thought about it, I decided I might have a weakness for treasure that was just sitting there too.
LOTRFaith
· 30 June 2004
· Chapter 13: A Creature of Fire
Well here I am after a few chapters;-) But I have read all of them, in a serious rush:-) I am certainly glad that graduation parties are usually just for high school or else I would seriously freak:-)
Hmmmmm... I can certainly see where Legolas would blame himself for 'Hobbit's' 'death' and the 'death' of the dwarves... Poor elf... Though the teasing about the 'child' is rather funny it is also starting to get on my nerves! lol.. I'm glad Legolas has more patience than I... On another note... Will Legolas have any bad memories about the previous dragon and dwarves? Great chapter/story!
Author's reply
It must be nice to have a social life! I'm an old married lady and if we go out to the movies that's a big deal.
I hadn't thought of having Legolas in pain over the death of those earlier dwarves. That was a long time ago and I think he's come to terms with it. Of course, if he'd actually seen the dragon, that might have been different.
esamen
· 30 June 2004
· Chapter 13: A Creature of Fire
How fortunate I am, Thranduil thought. My life is rich in treasure already.
Ahh . . . who said that the Wood-elves were less wise? He must have been wrong. But then, we haven't seen the end of the story yet. Perhaps this is just a golden moment of clarity for Thranduil . . .
Beautiful! I love it! and I love the description of the three sons together . . . someone should make a movie.
Thanks!
Author's reply
If PJ makes "The Hobbit," do you think we can talk him into using the family I've given Legolas? ;-)
It took me a while to write that ending with Thranduil looking at his sons. The family is so seldom all together, I thought they would all enjoy it.
Jay of Lasgalen
· 30 June 2004
· Chapter 13: A Creature of Fire
I like the way Legolas and Eilian both learned of Smaug's fall - and Thranduil lost no time in mobilising the warriors. It must be strange for him to lead the army, with all three sons present.
Why was he so reluctant to detour to Esgaroth? But I like the way he then sent so much aid as quickly as he could. And I loved the final line about treasure he already had. Lovely tie-in, as usual Daw. I keep going back and reading the relevant section of The Hobbit.
Jay
Author's reply
I was strange for me to write about this large army with several patrols combined, and at that, I couldn't see it as being the size Tolkien mentions. At one point, he says that a thousand Elf spearman jumped into battle. I think I'll have to believe that that's poetic exaggeration on Bilbo's part.
I wanted to suggest that Thranduil was drawn by the treasure, although he made the right decision in the end. As Tolkien says, Elves are good people.
Anonymous
· 30 June 2004
· Chapter 13: A Creature of Fire
Another great chapter. I love the details like the crows that we know are from the hobbit. And Legolas' reaction to Thranduil's hesitation (and Thranduil's reaction to that reaction). I remember in Question of Duty Legolas remember's his father's reaction to the treasure with some displeasure so it was interesting to see it finally. Love Annael sharing the cake and Legolas envying the women in his life. That was too touching. Poor Legolas has missed out on alot in his life. Eilian's distress over his warrior's leave is too cute. I'm glad Sinnarn got to come and had a fairly positive welcome from his fellows. There's a lot of potential for greatness and sorrow in his actions in this battle.
"And seeing Legolas in the Home Guard had been a revelation for Thranduil, who tended to think of him still as an untried youth."
I imagine he'll be in for an even bigger surprise when he sees his son(s) in this battle.
Waiting anxiously! Have a nive Fourth of July. But not so nice that you don't feel like working on fan fiction just a little :)
Author's reply
Glad you noticed the crows! When I looked, there were actually quite a few details I could borrow, including the trees whispering about Smaug's death. And I didn't want Thranduil to be either too selfless or too greedy. He's -- well, he's not human, but you know what I mean.
The hard part about writing on a holiday is that my husband is home and he just doesn't understand why I'd want to write about these imaginary people. :0
Bodkin
· 30 June 2004
· Chapter 13: A Creature of Fire
So many things to love: Thranduil living up to his children's expectations; his three sons and grandson together and happy (not ominous, I hope); the recognition of a worthy adversary in Bard; the trees telling Eilian and Legolas that a creature of flame had fallen; Annael's kind-heartedness; Sinnarn's awkward courage in facing the Home Guard; Thranduil's admission to himself that OK he actually likes treasure; Legolas's sympathy with the dwarves and young Hobbit; Sinnarn's generous sympathy despite his problems; even Tinar! And that's just what I can remember without checking. (It's much too late for checking.)
A difficult expedition to make totally sympathetic - I agree with Legolas that treasure is quite useful, but not worth killing for - but you have pulled it off. Excellent, as usual, leaving me wanting more quickly.
Author's reply
I love the fact that you've picked out the moments when my characters show up in this story. That doesn't sound quite right, but what I mean is that in writing, I'm having trouble moving the event that Tolkien gave us forward while at the same time keeping the focus on my characters. It's tricky not to let one or the other get lost. So I appreciate your reassurance that the characters' reactions to the events are what shine through for you.
LKK
· 30 June 2004
· Chapter 12: Revelations
Rats! I had hoped that Hobbit's story would clear Sinnarn of the lying accusation. It bothers me that everyone thinks he lied about the one glass of wine. I hope he's cleared eventually.
I guess the word 'hobbit' isn't commonly known in Mirkwood, is it? I wondered why no one recognized it as race name when Legolas kept using it as the child's name. It's a bit cruel the way they're teasing him. He didn't get a good look at Bilbo. And with the cloak and possibly wearing the hood up, Bilbo wouldn't have looked all that different from the dwarves. His feet, a Hobbit's most tell-tale feature, probably couldn't be seen in the underbrush. I don't blame Legolas for thinking he saw a dwarf child. What elf would think that a hobbit was in the woods? It's odd enough just to see dwarves in Mirkwood! Let alone a hobbit.
Author's reply
I didn't think they would know the word 'hobbit.' Tolkien says it's what the hobbits called themselves, but the Elves called them Periannath. The term 'halfling' is in Common and I thought it would be one that both sides would know so it could serve as a bridge to identify Bilbo.
Legolas loves your sympathy and says you have obviously never lived with two older brothers if you think THIS was cruel. You should hear them on the subject of the time he fell off his horse!
esamen
· 29 June 2004
· Chapter 12: Revelations
Hello Daw! I was out of town for a week and couldn't wait to get back and catch up with the doings of the Woodland Realm! Two more gems of chapters! You have truly outdone yourself this time . . . nice work with making Thranduil such a good grandpa . . . and showing Alfirin's anguish . . . so beautifully drawn for us. This story is awesome and should put you in a LOTR Fanfic Hall of Fame for inventive blend of canon and imagination! Not to mention perfect writing and storytelling!
I was completely blown away by some passages--
“I suppose so,” Thranduil sighed. “I must admit I would not mind having some of the dragon’s treasure come our way though. I would like to replenish our armory and lay in wealth to buy what we would need to survive against any further move Sauron might make against us. The long struggle against him has depleted our resources, and my people may have needs that I would want to meet.”
This is a wonderful way of reconciling Thranduil's interest in the treasure with his ethics of leading his people . . . it kind of preserves his good reputation and gives a plausible explanation of his un-Elvish desire for the dwarvish treasure.
With no warning at all, he had remembered Mithrandir’s warning about Smaug at the White Council meeting. What was it he had said? Smaug was one of Sauron’s creatures and could do great damage in the north if he were not disposed of. Slowly, he began walking again. Could there be any connection between Mithrandir’s words and the Dwarves actions? He did not see how, but with Mithrandir, one never knew.
Now, this is a gem. I hope that you give us a little glimpse of Gandalf slipping Ithilden a hint of the part he played in making all this happen. Then Ithilden can walk around with a bemused expression on his face for a while. And please give us a Bilbo-Legolas conversation too, somewhere along the line! That will be a wonderful chuckle!
Well, enough of this back-seat driving. Please carry on as your own talented heart sees fit. Confetti and roses thrown at you from the stands! Bow and enjoy the applause! Thanks so much for all your hard work in sharing your vision with us.
Regards,
Karen
Author's reply
Thank you so much, Karen. You really know how to make a writer feel good!
It is kind of funny to think that the Elves have no idea right now that Gandalf was involved in sending the Dwarves their way. It's just incredible to me that the Elves and Dwarves actually almost come to war here, given that they are on the same side in the fight that really counts. And the fact that Gandalf is a friend to both kind of shows that.
Blending my world into the canon of The Hobbit has been a challenge but it's also been a lot of fun. I'm working on the next chapter and asking myself stuff like "Why did Thranduil take all those warriors with him when he went after the treasure? Who did he think he was going to battle anyway???"
As I've working on this, I've also realized how few and far between stories based on The Hobbit are in fanfiction. There are hobbit stories, yes. Stories of Frodo, Sam, Pip, and Merry, and also stories of every one of their multitudinous relatives, but few stories about Bilbo's great adventure with Thorin Oakenshield. I guess that shows the influence of the movies.
daw