harrowcat
· 14 January 2016
· Chapter 6: Chapter 6
Good. It would serve them right. I hope their father soundly thrashes them, though knowing him, I doubt it. Someday I’ll make up for that.”
Pippin looked at Merry in surprise. “That sounds like a promise.”
And, since I am rereading your work in the order that you published it here I already know how Merry kept his promise.
It hurts to read but I applaud the complexity you put into the father/ son relationship here..and carry it on through to post quest.
Btw...I am making up for my years of lurking and not reviewing by making 2016 the year when I leave an appreciation for everything I read online. Please don't feel stalked or obliged to reply every time! Although, it is nice to know that you have seen the comment.
AspenJules
· 27 January 2008
· Chapter 6: Chapter 6
Oh, that was good.
I kept meaning to leave reviews at the end of the chapter, but even knowing how it eventually turned out, I couldn't resist just clicking next at the end to keep reading.
It's nice to get the details of this story finally. And I liked Frodo standing in for Merry's parents... I'm glad that Merry and Pippin were able to have the time together.
So touching his chin to his chest would stimulate swallowing? I never knew that... And how does the burnt toast thing work? Kind of like charcoal? Isn't there a charcoal-ish remedy for poisoning? And what was the green liquid at the end of reviving him? Is it something specific and real or something general and vague that you created?
LOLOL, I guess enquiring minds want to know. Great story, Barbara!
Author's reply
I'm so glad you found it to be a "page-turner"! That's quite a compliment, and every bit as nice as individual chapter reviews!
Frodo would naturally do what he could for Merry in the situation--and by putting it the way he did, he brought Paladin to understand.
Yes, that's the solution SS came up with--she said it was something another doctor reccommended for patients who had vocal cord paralysis, as it seems to help the esophagus open a bit. Of course, he has to be able to swallow a little bit already, but SS said that was indicated by the fact that Poppy'd used the pipette to administer medicine already.
When I went to research first aid and folk remedies, most of them were either too modern or obviously ineffective--but the burnt toast one just kept turning up repeatedly in different sites. SS said that doctors sometimes use charcoal tablets, so presumably the carbon in burnt toast would work the same way.
The green liquid at the end is an actual medieval beverage called "sekanjhabin", made mostly with mint, vinegar and sugar. It's a great-tasting thirst quencher, and would act in some ways like Gator-ade in someone who was dehydrated. It's quite delicious, and I put the recipe in my story "Spring Quickening"
http://www.storiesofarda.com/chapterview.asp?sid=3043&cid=18160
Oh, Pippin! Dear me, what a thing to do! I can see why Merry would be angry, but I can't bring *myself* to feel anything but pity for him. Now, that's hard (the punishment), but I know he deserves it. And it was splendid of Paladin to allow them the time to say farewell, and to allow them to keep in touch.
Ha! Those rotten Bankses would fit right in with Lotho's crowd! Well, I have the satisfaction of knowing they and their father got what they deserved.
A very interesting tale!
God bless,
Galadriel
Author's reply
Yes, poor Pippin. But at least he's learned a hard lesson about taking dangerous dares. Merry would *not* have been angry, if Pippin had realized the consequences of his actions, but unfortunately, he didn't remember the bad parts. And *that's* why Merry got angry. Still, they straightened things out in the end, thanks to Frodo.
Paladin was glad to allow Merry time to speak to Pippin before they left once Frodo made him understand what was at stake.
Well, they do get their just desserts--eventually.
SlightlyTookish
· 6 April 2006
· Chapter 6: Chapter 6
Thanks so much for linking me to this! I've been meaning to read this for ages now, and I had a general idea of what it was about since I'd seen references to it in your other fics, and it did not disappoint. Those Banks brothers are awful! Just as bad as your Hyacinth - are you sure they really aren't *her* children? Lots of lovely Pippin h/c here, and I'm glad Paladin finally relented at the end and allowed Merry and Pippin to make up. Thank goodness for Frodo's intervention. I also liked seeing how resourceful Pearl was. I enjoyed this very much :)
Author's reply
I'm very pleased that it lived up to your expectations!
The Bankses are pretty dreadful, but I don't think there is a connection to Hyacinth. Poor Pippin is just unlucky in having so many awful relations, LOL!
But really, considering how many hobbits there are, and how many bloodlines the Tooks are related to, it's not surprising that he has a few bad apples in the family. After all, the Bagginses had the S.-B.s to put up with, LOL!
This was my very first h/c, and I really tried hard to get it right.
I'm so glad you enjoyed it!
Gryffinjack
· 9 December 2005
· Chapter 6: Chapter 6
I know I have reviewed this powerful story before, but I wanted share a real life experience that just happened. Hopefully, this will help bring out just how serious and deadly alcohol abuse can be.
A week ago, we found out that my twelve year old niece's father was in trauma intensive care in the hospital for seizures and bleeding of the brain caused from too much alcohol over the years. Although he started to respond to treatment, his body was toxically poisoned and he had extremely bad sclerosis of his liver caused by the alcohol's effects over the years. I am sad to inform everyone that my niece's father passed away last night.
I hope that this story helps bring home the all too real dangers to anyone thinking that alcohol is nothing serious and makes them think twice about drinking.
Lindelea
· 26 October 2005
· Chapter 6: Chapter 6
Just as Pippin’s first thought when he was troubled was to find Merry, Merry’s first thought was to find Frodo.
(I love these hints you drop about the cousins' relationships.)
He found him in the first place he thought to look--the library.
(How well Merry knows Frodo.)
(Good for Paladin! He makes his missteps, as we all do, but in the scene with Clodio he's magnificent!)
Frodo knew the proprieties.
(I love this intimation that there *are* proprieties, and properly-brought-up hobbits know them. It adds such a feeling of depth.)
Paladin was reminded very much of Bilbo, who could look just so, when he thought he was right.
(I like this bit of resemblance being noted. )
“If you send Merry away now, without giving him a chance to mend things with Pip, he is going to fret himself sick. I mean this.”
(Is there a story behind this? Is it silly of me to be curious, and want to know more about how Merry frets himself sick? Or is it just that I am always ready to read more Merry h/c?)
And Merry sounds quite vengeful... I don't remember if he carries out his promise in another story or not.
I meant to ask, what is Hyacinth's maiden name?
Thanks for a good read, very diverting, and I'm up past bedtime but at least I wasn't interrupted in the reading!
Author's reply
As I've said, the relationships for me are what it's all about. I could spend ages just talking about the discoveries I've made about their interactions, LOL!
Paladin's not perfect, but when it comes to dealing with people like his erstwhile brother-in-law, he has a sure touch.
Yes, there are definitely proprieties in hobbit society, and one of them of course, is that an outsider doesn't interfere in family business. Frodo shows that he *is* following the proprieties by establishing the fact that he is *not* an outsider when it comes to Merry, and that by involving Merry in Pippin's punishment, Paladin has given him this leeway. Frodo has taken it upon himself to stand proxy for Merry's parents, something he has a right to do not only by his close blood relationship to Merry, but also because he was at one time basically Merry's foster-brother. Not all of this needs to be stated, as Paladin clearly understands where Frodo is coming from.
I do like to put in reminders that Frodo's Baggins heritage is strong and important as well...
You know, I didn't have a specific story in my head for this, but that's a mighty fine bunny you just gave me. And there are some precedents--in the Brandy Hall Incident, Merry comes very close to making himself sick with worry over Pippin, and only Frodo's presence keeps that from happening.
He does. In fact, the story where this occurs is what drew so many requests that I wrote this one: "A New Reckoning", where Merry deals out his delayed vengence, don't remember the Chapter number, but sometime during the Ball.
Hyacinth was a Brockhouse.
I went to bed on time, but I'm up again, as you can see, LOL!
Very nice to get up and find a whole new batch of reviews at 2AM.
Lindelea
· 26 October 2005
· Chapter 5: Chapter 5
Poor Pippin! Thinking Merry is furious with him! And poor Merry! Not able to set things right...
“If that had happened, there is *nothing*--and I mean *nothing* that would have kept you from being flogged, marked and banished for causing a wrongful death!
(and they didn't learn their lesson, it seems...)
He drifted finally into sleep, chasing after the funny and sweet memories of the two cousins he loved like little brothers.
(what a lovely image you paint here)
The messenger nodded, but did not look at him directly. Instead he fixed his gaze on the rug in the front hall... The messenger spoke to the shrubbery at the side of the front step. “I can’t say, sir, I’m sure.” Which meant he had not been given leave to say, not that he didn’t know. Everyone in the Great Smials knew by now, he was sure. He stood there briefly, just long enough to make Clodio know that he was aware of the lapse of courtesy for not asking him in for tea, not to mention failing to offer the customary tip. Not that he expected one. The Mistress’s brother was known to pinch his coppers till they squeaked. “Well, sir,” he said to the doorpost...
(I chuckled at your messenger, got quite a lot of personality for a simple walk-on part)
Having Pip alive and able to experience his first hangover was lovely.
(how true--everything is indeed relative)
Author's reply
Well, of course, he was right, Merry *was* furious. But it didn't last long, and Merry was ready to set things straight after talking with Frodo and calming down.
No, really they didn't. Or let us say that the lesson didn't last long enough.
I'm glad you liked that phrase. I think that thinking of his younger cousins was often soothing to Frodo.
LOL! That messenger had *way* too much personality. I didn't *dare* give him a name, for I knew that if I did, he was going to hijack the whole chapter, darn pushy characters! As long as I didn't name him, I had a certain amount of control over him...
Yes, it all *is* relative; for Merry this would have been marvelous.
Lindelea
· 26 October 2005
· Chapter 4: Chapter 4
Whew.
Y'know, I think Cado is probably the brightest bulb in the room. At least as long as the two brothers are alone together.
All too often it is easier for a younger sibling just to go along with an older one. *sigh*
Just goes to show you need to train the older one(s) up properly, to set the right example.
Author's reply
Yes, Cado is in many ways a good deal brighter than Clovis (though, really, that's not saying much, LOL!)
It is; Cado usually takes the path of least resistance when it comes to his older brother. Yet he gets a certain amount of his own jollies from the trouble they cause, and being bright enough to know better, bears a good deal of responsibility anyway.
Still, I don't think he'd be quite so poisonous without his brother's influence.
Lindelea
· 26 October 2005
· Chapter 3: Chapter 3
O no! I'm certainly glad this story is finished and I can go on to the next chapter. What an awful cliffhanger! (Take it from me...)
I like your healer, Poppy. Is she the same as is on the "Road to Edoras"?
Pardon me for being particularly vague tonight. I took something for a migraine and while the floating sensation is not unpleasant, the muddled thoughts are a bother.
Author's reply
Thank you--you are an expert on cliffies, so I consider this high praise!
Yes, she is. She's been the Took family healer for years, even before they came to Great Smials (much like your Woodruff) who went there when Paladin and family did. Her trip South is her first time away from her duties, in fact.
You don't seem especially vague to me, LOL! But I do know what you mean.
Lindelea
· 26 October 2005
· Chapter 2: Chapter 2
The sad thing about this is that it wasn't all that long ago I heard on the news about a lad dying because of a similar fraternity "prank".
Author's reply
It's very often in the news, and is one of the reasons I chose to explore this theme. It has a very sad sort of relevance.
Lindelea
· 26 October 2005
· Chapter 1: Chapter 1
Have just started reading this for the first time, after Dana mentioned it the other day.
I love the way you draw the relationships between the cousins!
Those Bankses are a real piece of work. It sounds as if they've grown up under a bad influence. Who is it?
And yet, even here, in this very early story, I can see the seeds that grew into "Road to Edoras". Clovis is a thoroughly unpleasant chap, and seems to be the instigator of most of the mischief, while Cado seems less than whole-hearted about the whole miserable business. I think he'd actually like to be friends with Pippin, if he were let alone.
Author's reply
Hi! I didn't realize you hadn't read this one! What fun!
I am glad you like the way I draw their relationships. The ties between them, and later between them and Sam, are an obsession of mine, more than any one of them, I like examining what makes them tick as a *group*.
Good old brother Clodio.
Yes, you can see that they already have their own dynamic firmly in place. As I told another reviewer, Clovis and Cado are sort of my "anti-Merry and anti-Pippin" in that I can explore such a relationship gone wrong, where they bring out the worst in each other rather than the best.
Gryffinjack
· 20 October 2005
· Chapter 6: Chapter 6
Clodio is plum awful! The apple does not fall far from the tree, I see. And that nickname he has for his sister - yuck! I sincerely doubt he will give his sons the punishment they deserve, and any punishment they do get from their father will not be because he thinks they were wrong, but for embarassing him and making him go all the way to Tuckborough to bring them home in disgrace.
Once again, Frodo is amazing in his care, compassion, and diplomatic skills. He was absolutely right - Merry would have fretted himself sick had he not been able to set things to rights with Pippin before leaving. Frodo is an excellent "older brother" to both Merry and Pippin.
I'm so glad Merry and Pippin were able to see each other one last time before Merry left. Merry needed to apologise for yelling at Pippin and he also needed to hear Pippin admit that what he did was a stupid thing to do. It shows a lot about the strength of Pippin's character that Merry knows that had he promised, Pippin would never drink again. It also shows Merry's wisdom in not making him promise such a thing. The promise they made to each other will be difficult enough to keep, but there is not doubt they both will keep it. No doubt neither of them realises right now the full implications of that promise. It's also something that can bring them even closer together, if that's possible.
Merry will also keep his promise to one day punish the Banks brothers as they deserved. Anyone who knows his resolve and his total devotion and love for his Pippin know that. Merry will make the Banks brothers pay for what they did to Pippin. I would *not* want to be them when Merry does get even.
You should be very proud of this story. It is one of the finest fan fiction stories I have ever read. It not only deals with a very troublesome and real problem, but it does so responsibly and with love for the characters, dignity, and compassion. The only thing I am sorry about is that I have now finished reading it. I'd read it again right now, except I have so many more stories of yours to read again first, including my other favourites, A New Reckoning, It Takes a Took, and both versions of When the King Comes Back.
I really am totally enjoying reading these again! Having read them once and now reading them in chronological order adds even more meaning to them. I'm so glad you've written all of these stories and are sharing them with us!
Author's reply
Clodio is pretty dreadful, and rather pathetic. His jealousy of his sister and brother-in-law has poisoned his life and blighted his sons' lives. And I thought "Egg" was a pretty rotten nickname to stick one's sister with, LOL! They will be punished, and you are right about the reason, a totally selfish one.
Frodo is here showing an early sign of the wisdom that will eventually be his; it is not so far from being wise to being one of *the* Wise, though he must first be tempered at the Fire. Yet this wisdom is out of his love for both his cousins, and his determined protectiveness of Merry. Merry will always be in many ways his "baby brother", and he wouldn't hesitate to intervene on his behalf. It helps of course, that he can meet Paladin on equal terms. He is, after all *the* Baggins, the head of a family, and has been Master of Bag End for nine years now. And it also helps that Paladin was already feeling a bit guilty for the way he made poor Merry suffer.
The pact that they made is one they can reasonably, if with difficulty keep, though you are right in saying that at this point in time they do not realize all its implications. I thought long and hard about whether this pact would be canon--we know, for example that Pippin was looking forward to the beer at The Golden Perch. But that doesn't mean he intended to get drunk on it. And even though JRRT makes it clear that hobbits love their beer and ale, he never shows them inebriated,(except for one brief mention of hobbits and wheelbarrows after the big Birthday Party) so I didn't feel it was too big a stretch of canon to have them make this agreement with one another.
I have been very gratified by the reaction of many to this story. I did want to make a point about the dangers of underage binge drinking and peer pressure, but I also wanted to stay true to canon, and to the characters as JRRT wrote them. I am glad you thought I succeeded.
I am totally enjoying reading your reviews and responding to them. It's amazing to me to realize that I've been able to make things mesh in the stories, even though many of them were written in a different order than they occurred. You are the first person to tell me that you are making use of the chronology, and I'm so glad now that I put the effort into putting it up, as I was doubtful how useful it would be. I have come to realize that I am going to have to make tiny tweaks in a few stories, so that they don't clash with future ones, but I'm still surprised that those tweaks aren't more, LOL!
Gryffinjack
· 20 October 2005
· Chapter 5: Chapter 5
"But this day looked to have a more hopeful ending. Pippin would live, and his Merry would not have to know the kind of grief and loneliness that had blighted his own life.
And Pippin’s bright spirit and great heart had been spared to them. In his fear for Merry’s sake, he had kept his own fear for Pippin at bay. But he knew what it would have meant to him to lose that precious little Took."
Poor Frodo! How he must have been silently suffering as he watched Pippin's life ebb away, hoping that it would return, and knowing what it would do to Merry as well. My word, I want to give him a hug!
That messenger must have really enjoyed delivering that message to Clodio, especially in the face of his rudeness. How Clodio could be related to Eglantine, much less to be her brother, is beyond me.
Merry at first was glad to see Pippin awake in the morning. He even seemed to enjoy to some extent the fact that Pippin had a hangover, probably considering it to be a well deserved punishment. Why else would he have been smiling as he opened up the drapes to let the sunlight in? What got Merry so upset with Pippin was not just his fear that he could have lost him, but that Pippin did not seem to even understand or care that he almost killed himself in his foolishness and was instead proud that he had topped his nasty cousins.
It really is at times like this that Frodo understands Pippin and is able to help him more than Merry. How like Frodo to put aside his own fears and hurt to help and comfort both Merry and Pippin. The more I see of Frodo, the more I like him.
I'm proud of Paladin for standing firm in what he had to do when he could have easily given into his son's pain and tears. It wasn't easy for him to do. Yes, he should have let Merry and Pippin at least say "goodbye", but he did stand firm on the one punishment that would really effect Pippin in a way that he would remember and learn from. I wonder if Paladin got the idea for the punishment from his brother-in-law, Saradoc. At least *he* let the two of them say "goodbye" to each other when Merry was punished.
Poor Merry must be crushed, to be torn away from his Pippin before he could explain or make up with him. Furious he may be, but he still loves Pippin with all of his heart and very being.
Author's reply
Yes, poor Frodo. Yet this in a way is the pattern of his life, to bear his own suffering in silence for the sake of other people. I think he must have had much exercise in this sort of strength, and it was what enabled him to resist the Ring for so long.
I had fun with that messenger. I had to be very careful not to let him have a name, for he was wanting to take over the whole chapter. Darn uppity OCs, LOL!
Yes, Merry at first is simply glad to have Pip alive to experience a hangover. Unfortunately, not being able to remember what happened or how serious it was, he had a typical adolescent reaction. For I do not think if he had realized what kind of trouble he'd caused that he would have been so blythe about it. And to Merry, hearing him boast of his stupidity was the last straw.
Frodo, of course, did realize that Pippin just didn't *know* what had happened, and could not have been expected to understand what he had put everyone through.
I'm thinking that for either father, keeping them apart for a time would be an obvious punishment--far more effective than "time-outs" or "grounding"--though in this case, Pip got those as well, LOL! It's quite clear that no other punishment would stick out in their minds as much.
Yes, he does.
Gryffinjack
· 20 October 2005
· Chapter 4: Chapter 4
Pippin is very lucky to have such a fine healer as Poppy tend to him. It gives me the chills to think how close he came to dying.
The time you spent researching the details for this story is evident. Although I've never heard of burnt toast as a remedy for alcohol poisoning, it does make sense. I remember watching an emergency vet program where they poured liquied charcoal into the dog's stomach to absorb the poison someone had given the dog. I imagine the burnt toast works very much in the same way.
It's a good thing Reginard used his Took intelligence and thought to guard the Banks brothers to make sure they stay where they were instructed to wait.
“Clovis don’t be any more of an idiot than you have to be.”
I really am not certain that Cado is totally evil or cruel. To me, he seems more like a follower who has fallen in with the wrong crowd. The cruel or bad ideas seem to have been primarily Clovis' rather than Cado's, including this stunt. However, this is not to say that he does not take any cruel or bad actions on his own. But Cado has enough intelligence to understand that it is wrong and what the reprecussions are. It is most unfortunate that he does not use that intelligence to refuse to follow his brother. I'd like to think that there might be a bit of hope for Cado later on in life - say, *after* ten years in a story of yours that is currently still in the process of being written.
"Clovis stared at Cado in shock. His brother had never spoken to him like that before."
Shades of Merry getting so upset with Pippin here.
Frodo's quiet strength is something I really enjoy in all of your stories. The strength and understanding is there, but it is very quiet and controlled, which only makes it stronger. It is how I picture him as well.
Author's reply
The burnt toast was one of the few folk remedies that would have been available to hobbits, and kept cropping up with regularity. Most of the folk remedies involved more modern products, or were said to be ineffective. The idea of liquifying it, however was my own, since if Pip were unconscious there'd be no way to make him eat it. I'm glad to know that it would also have worked that way, as I was a tad uncertain about that.
Yeah, Reggie had the right idea about the brothers, and was just in time, LOL! And I suppose an evening spent watching them was no worse than an evening at home with Hyacinth.
Cado's not guiltless; as you point out, he does know it's wrong. He's always taken the path of least resistance with his older brother, and he has found a certain amount of entertainment value in the things Clovis comes up with. The fact that they have often gotten away with their shenanigans also hasn't helped.
Again, you spot it. "Anti-Merry and anti-Pippin".
"Quiet strength" is also how I see him. He's an adult, and though he enjoys his younger cousins' company, he also takes his responsibilities to them very seriously. I find stories where he doesn't act any older than the others a bit unrealistic.
Gryffinjack
· 19 October 2005
· Chapter 3: Chapter 3
Breathe, Pippin, breathe! You sure do like to torture the poor lad! I don't like to see him like this! This chapter was quite frightening to read and you captured the anxiety and suspense magnificently.
Thank goodness Frodo took charge of the situation. Poor Merry was quite beside himself and unable to think clearly of what needed to be done. I could just picture that steely glare that Frodo gave Clovis. That poor excuse for a hobbit had no chance against one of those glares from Frodo.
I also really enjoyed when Merry took the Banks brothers to task in the hallway. It's a pity Paladin had to call him off. And this was before the Quest. Can you imagine what Merry would have done to them if this had been *after* the Quest and he really knew how to fight?
Three cheers for Poppy! She's fantastic, the way she handled the situation and correctly reminded Eglantine that Pippin knew better and bears a lot of the blame for his state.
“Oh dear me,” said Hyacinth with a gleam in her eyes, “I wonder, is it serious?”
I hate her! Can't we use her for Ork-bait?
"Paladin looked at the two brothers. “Go to my study at once, and wait for me there, no matter how long it takes.” They looked at him, not moving. “I said go at once, or I will allow Meriadoc and Frodo to escort you there!”
They glanced at Merry, who gave them a mirthless grin. “Please, let us do that, Uncle Paladin.”"
This was a great exchange! I can picture the scene very clearly in my head. And Paladin is fantastic in this entire chapter.
“You know, I feel like it’s my fault. I should never have let him go off with those two.”
Does Merry always have to be such a Merry? Can't we get him to understand that not everything is his fault?
“I should never have allowed those horrible nephews of mine anywhere near Pippin!”
Oh, great. Now Eglantine is acting like Merry, too! They're quite a pair!
This is not at all a pretty chapter to read - most responsible of you to allow us to see the dangers of alcohol abuse in all of its ugliness.
Author's reply
I did a lot of research for this story, and the symptoms and reactions he has are as true to life as I could make them.
Merry was raher frantic at this point, and needed an older head to give him a bit of direction. He's good in an emergency usually, but a threat to Pippin has him very off-balance. And he's still pretty young himself, and is not up on what needed to be done in this particular emergency. Frodo's an adult, and well up to acting on it. And I know *I* would not want to be on the recieving end of his glacial blue glare.
Well, I *know* what he'll do to them after the Quest--that part was written first, after all, in "A New Reckoning". He could have done a lot worse, but he restrained himself somewhat.
I like my hobbity healers. Poppy's a favorite of mine.
Orc-bait, huh? Well, it's a thought. Bodkin wanted her eaten by a passing troll, LOL! For some reason, she is not very popular.
"Does Merry always have to be such a Merry? Can't we get him to understand that not everything is his fault?"
LOL! Yes, I'm afraid that's a habit he never really grows out of. It stems from his need to protect and control what happens to those he loves. When he can't protect them 100%, he tends to blame himself automatically.
Eglantine's being a mother. It comes natural.
It's one reason for the rating and the warning. I didn't want to sugarcoat what could happen.
Gryffinjack
· 19 October 2005
· Chapter 2: Chapter 2
Shame on Pippin! He knew better than to drink his father's wine and brandy with permission. Sure, he's as curious as a Took comes, but right now he's not only acting like a Fool of a Took, but like a disobedient one. For all that he's my favourite Tolkien character, I am quite disappointed with him right now, and I don't care how much his cousins put him up to it. He knew better. It's the Brandy Hall tunnels all over again with just as much possibility that he could lose his life. He's such a little thing that it's not going to take much alcohol to become toxic to his system and potentially lethal. Merry is going to be ticked!
Now, just because I'm disappointed with Peregrin does not mean that the Banks brothers are off the hook. They knew exactly what they were doing and what would happen to their younger and smaller cousin. While I don't think they mean to really injure or kill him, I'm sure they would be quite happy if Pippin ended up with the hangover of all hangovers in the morning. They, or at least Clovis, probably think it will teach him a lesson for going off with that Brandybuck.
I'm also disappointed with Pippin for going off with his Banks cousins in the first place. He should have known they were up to nothing but trouble. However, I guess that's to be expected, considering that being Pippin, he wanted everyone to like him, even his cruel Banks cousins. It's not fair when a very trusting soul must pay for having such a good quality. And Clovis and Cado are cruel enough to take advantage of that.
I do not envy those Banks brothers once Merry finds out whose fault it was in the first place. Nobody hurts or endangers his Pip and gets away with it. I'm just glad that Frodo is there to help Merry deal with the situation. Merry's going to need him.
This is a very important story. The dangers of alcohol abuse, especially among minors, is all too real.
Author's reply
Really, this is *not* one of Pippin's finer moments; it is the beginning of his tweenaged years, and his adolescence is a rocky one. I suppose that it's a bit of RL for me getting in there: my own son suddenly went from an impulsive but sweet child, whose scrapes were more or less amusing most of the time, to a moody and impulsive teen who got into apalling situations and butted heads with his dad at every opportunity. He gradually grew out of it as he neared adulthood, but for a good long time we wondered would he survive, or us, that long. So chalk that experience up for Pippin.
The Banks brothers are really awful. Merry's litany at the beginning of the story, and Frodo's comparison of them (especially Clovis)to Lotho pretty much nails them. They are hoping to see Pip with a nasty hangover, and possibly in trouble. Of course, since they are not the brightest candles in the box, they fail to consider their own trouble that will follow.
Pippin is easily bored; and he was still making an effort to get along with them. He wants to like people and he wants them to like him. He is also at this stage of his life, very much a follower, not a leader, and so prone to falling into trouble if he's in bad company. This comes from always being the youngest, and it will take the Quest for him to find his own leadership abilities. Clovis and Cado know they are taking advantage of it.
Of course, part of the reason that the brothers did this was not only for the amusement of tormenting Pip, but to get back at Merry for getting the better of them that afternoon.
Frodo will be there for his Merry, and for his Pip, whenever he can.
I was very gratified a few weeks ago, when a young person who had read the story told me in another story's review, that "The Dare" had made her decide never to take any dares related to drinking and alchohol--I had hoped it might make some think a little, but I never expected it to have that much of an influence.
Gryffinjack
· 19 October 2005
· Chapter 1: Chapter 1
Finally! I love this story; it's so well written.
In a way, Clovis and Cado Banks remind me of Merry and Pippin - it's the older one, Clovis, who is always getting the younger one, Cado, into trouble. The difference, however, lies in the type of trouble and the intent behind it. While Merry and Pippin just get into a little mischief and Merry gets Pippin out of trouble, Clovis and Cado are nasty, mean-spirited individuals.
"Their time at the inn had been a pleasant interlude, and Merry and Pippin had started back to the Smials to be in time for afternoon tea. They were not talking much, but simply enjoying one another’s company without the presence of annoying outsiders."
That's the beauty of their relationship - they don't need to talk in order to have a good time together or to understand each other. And I'm so glad Frodo is part of this story, too!
Author's reply
I'm so glad that you spotted something that I was aiming at, and you are the first to notice. Just as I wanted Freddy and Folco to reflect how things might have been if either Merry or Pippin had died, I created the Bankses as kind of an "anti-Merry and anti-Pippin", two who are close to one another but who bring out the worst in one another instead of the best, two whose connection is due to blood ties and proximity, but lacking that depth of affection and heart that Merry and Pippin share.
The two of them don't really need to talk much. They know one another very well, and words are not always necessary.
Frodo had to be in it. I simply can't keep him out, no matter how I try, so I don't try anymore if he wants in.
PIppinfan1988
· 30 May 2005
· Chapter 6: Chapter 6
LOL...I suppose Merry's revenge can wait a while! I'll wait on it for a bit as I want to read more of your work between here and The Road to Edoras. I did like how Paladin responded to Clodio when he arrived at G.S. Excellent story!
Hope you had a great weekend!
Pippinfan
Author's reply
Yes, well, "A New Reckoning" takes place just before "Road to Edoras". There are several stories that take place in that time frame; check out my Chronology if you would like to.
Clodio *is* rather a nasty piece of work, isn't he?
I had a nice weekend, even though I did have to work Sat. and Sun. I was off Fri. and Mon. I hope you had the same!
yelena
· 26 May 2005
· Chapter 6: Chapter 6
WOW!!! This was my *first* story on storiesofarda, and it was brilliant! Well, besides the one a close friend of mine wrote.Good thing there's more (I read some previous reviews for fun.) I, personally, would not be able to take a character already developed and make him or her my own. I prefer to create my own characters.
Author's reply
I am glad that you have liked it, and are enjoying the stories--I have a goodly number of stories besides this. And there are some brilliant hobbit authors here on SoA, such as Baylor, Larner, Budgielover, Shirebound and Lindelea, all of whom are just a very few of my own favorites.
I write about canon characters--especially Frodo,Sam, Merry and Pippin--because it is a way to explore a bit about them, and to try and use what JRRT hinted at in the books and expand on them. I want to know more about them than he told us, so I have to kind of figure it out as I write. But some of the minor canon characters, such as Paladin or Eglantine, for example, are no more than a mention on the family tree, so they might as well be original.
But there are a lot of very good writers who only write OCs (original characters) for the reason you mentioned--they like the latitude of creating all their own material.
I hope that you enjoy reading many more stories on this archive. Stories of Arda is my favorite archive, and the main one on which I post, and I think all of the authors here and their stories are of very high caliber.
I will keep my eyes open for *your* stories.
PIppinfan1988
· 26 May 2005
· Chapter 5: Chapter 5
Hullo...I took two chapters today. :-) I liked how you had members of the family take turns caring for Pippin; very sweet and realistic. LOL...I also like your Paladin's firmness. In one of my tales, I simmered him down a bit when I brought it from ff.net to SOA, thinking I had portrayed him much too strict. I can't wait to see him react when Clodio arrives!
Which story is it that Merry gets the better end of the stick with those two numbskull brothers? I'd like to read that ;-), but trust me--I'm not violent in the least! My sister is a nurse, too--and yes, I've picked her brain on several occasions. Helps to have one of those in the family. :-) See ya tomorrow.
Pippinfan
Author's reply
I think that would be the way hobbits would do it. In my Shire, at least, a sick or injured person is always attended by someone, usually a family member. But in this case, it was even more necessary than usual, since Poppy did not at that time have an apprentice. After this, she made sure to get a new apprentice before the other one moved on.
I have read a lot of stories where Paladin is downright *harsh* and very unreasonable. My Paladin *can* be that way, but it usually does not last once he has calmed his Tookish temper down. Stories in which Paladin and Pippin are estranged for years on end disturb me. But he can also know just when to lower the boom.
The story when Merry finally gets to act on the Bankses is "A New Reckoning". It is a very long post-Quest story (over 70 chapters) and about the middle of it the Bankses make an appearance and do something incredibly stupid. And Merry is in a postition to finally do something. Which he does with relish.
But it wasn't the *complete* end of them. My new story, "The Road to Edoras" deals with the rest of their punishment--at the hands of the King of Rohan and the King of Gondor and Arnor. Yes, it was *that* stupid!!
PIppinfan1988
· 25 May 2005
· Chapter 3: Chapter 3
Get'em, Merry!!! Get'em! I rather like high-pitched songs....
Okay, I'll stop--for now. ;-) I really do hope that this tale will help someone make the right choice if ever faced with this sort of peer-pressure. Folk should never let the inebriated one lie on his/her back, for just the reasons you wrote about. I'll be back again tomorrow.
Pippinfan
Author's reply
Unfortunately, Uncle Paladin didn't think that assault would do much for Merry's future as Master of Buckland, so he didn't get to follow through--*then*... Of course, it's a different story a few years later...
I kind of hoped it would be a bit of a cautionary tale as well. I know a lot of youngsters read this archive.
I did a good deal of research on this one, as I'm not a drinker myself. First I picked my husband's brains (he's a nurse) and I went online as well. So keeping the person from choking is one of the very first things they say to do...
PIppinfan1988
· 24 May 2005
· Chapter 2: Chapter 2
Oh, my! This doesn't bode well for my wee hobbit; I've known cases such as this to be fatal. I hope his recovery won't be too painful. I just hope that Cado and Clovis get their just reward.
LOL...have you ever tasted Ginger Beer? OY! That stuff is *strong*! At least, the brand I tried long ago was. I thought it was *much* more potent than our Ginger Ale...just thinking about it now nearly gives me indigestion!
See ya tomorrow; and maybe with more chapters--I read this one in about ten minutes. I like to savor the flavor. ;-)
Pippinfan
Author's reply
Well, they will *eventually*, anyway!
No, I haven't tasted it, but I know that's what they have in England, so, ginger beer instead of ginger ale. It's really that much stronger? Whoa.
I'm really bad about inconsistency with my chapter lengths. I've been known to have one chapter with about 800 words, and the next with about 3,000. But I don't go by length. I just go until I get to a logical stopping place, LOL!
PIppinfan1988
· 23 May 2005
· Chapter 1: Chapter 1
I got an idea from you on one of your comments at the Challenge board, so today I took this chapter to work and read it at lunch. The author has done her job: I can already tell you that I don't like those two cousins of Pip's. I hope they get their just reward! Little vermin! Next chapter tomorrow...
Pippinfan
Author's reply
Isn't it fun to read fics at lunch? I sit there with my little hard copy in the breakroom, and just read away...
Of course, after Challenge Friday, I usually have to get a new ink cartridge, LOL!
I'm glad you're enjoying this. It's one of my own favorites.
Saoirse
· 10 March 2005
· Chapter 6: Chapter 6
O, Dreamflower! I *loved* this! What a wonderful, touching, and entertaining tale. Those Banks brothers! ARGH -- But what delightfully wicked characters they were! And poor Pip always trying to find a place in his heart for everyone -- so like him. And Merry's frustration with those brats was right from the startI really liked Frodo's stand against Paladin, and how the Thain reminded him of Bilbo when he had his mind set. I just loved the ending about how they both promised not to get drunk without each other.
But, I must say that my favorite part of all was when Merry slammed that dirty, rotten little Banks hellion up against the wall (repetitively) *waves little flag* Go Merry!!! (Too bad Paladin stopped him...)
Wonderful job! :)!
Author's reply
I'm so glad that you found the Banks brothers to be worthy villians. They did not, by the way, learn their lesson well enough. In my post-Quest story, "A New Reckoning" Merry finally gets a chance to keep his promise concerning them.
And they will finally get the rest of their just desserts in a story that will soon be forthcoming.
Thanks for the review! It's always lovely to see new reviews for a story that has been out for a little while. I'm glad that you enjoyed it.
MaidenofValinor
· 14 January 2005
· Chapter 1: Chapter 1
ooooh...those Banks boys piss me off! They're going to be in so much trouble if anyone finds out what they're up to. The scene with Frodo was great!
Author's reply
Oh, yes, the nasty Bankses! They do give Pippin a hard time don't they!
I'm glad you liked the part with Frodo. He almost always turns up to help Merry and Pippin out.