Cuthalion
· 23 September 2005
· Chapter 18: Retribution
"I came to face your judgment. Send me after him, and in the world of shades I will search him out; I will bow down and kiss his feet."
I remember holding my breath when I first read this sentence. You know I've been reading (and beta-ing) your tales for nearly two years now, and this is the quality that makes me always return to your stories... hope, confidence and bottomless, unerring love, rising like a phoenix from the ashes... and no one has fallen deep enough not to be redeemed.
I know this is a cruel tale, but still very Tolkien in thoughts and philosophy, and you've made me care for Logi - very deeply. May Freiga be corageous and strong enough to help him. It is so very hard to face your own misdeeds, but what ever was left in Logi of pride and hate is burnt out by guilt and pain - how very fitting that you use fire here for his punishment.
I bow to you for this tale, my friend. It is truly extraordinary.
Author's reply
Thank you, amiga. I'm humbled by your praise - all I can say is, I "invented" Logi as a prototype villain, and he wouldn't keep to the script - he went real on me. And I'm so glad you think even this tale is still true to Tolkien in spirit.
Thanks for encouraging me with a review on this very cruel chapter.
jo
perelleth
· 18 September 2005
· Chapter 17: Captured
Yes, sure there is mercy, and hope, what I meant is that we tend to forget darkness, which is a substantial part of light, for were it not for the darkness what would we know of hope and light? So I believe that there are dark times that are somehow needed to bring out good things... much as with Canohando and Logi here, which is what brought me back reviewing:
She could not rob him of what he never had. Yet in fact it turned out to be the other way, Logi needed to walk down that terrible path to its terrible bottom, before finding out that, indeed, he did have honour and he was a faithful orc. No concessins to easy, short lived hope in this story, no hope that Tulco is alive, that Osta will survive, that any of them will, for, who would want to when all you have known has been destroyed and all your loved ones have been swept away?
Yet we hope that Logi may somehow redeem himself and that Canohando shall understand. BEautifully, deeply and most compassionately done, jo, I bow to your skill! :-)
Author's reply
Thanks, perelleth! (blushing) And I think you're
right, and very perceptive. Only those who have been
hungry can truly value food.
Thanks for bringing such deep understanding to this
story - I am very honored.
jo
perelleth
· 17 September 2005
· Chapter 17: Captured
The Darkness never rested. Again and again it returned to wear him down, and he was grown weary
Now I know why this story hooked me so. Although I uderstand, and pity, and sympathize with Logi, it is Canohando I feel closer to... Damn, this is way too good and deep for these troubled times. May these orcs find their deserved rest.
When the time of harvest arrives, it is a foolish thing to hope that the earth would yield something different than it can produce, and Darkness has been around since ever. Gee, bad, fatalist week to be reading this, but I'm still here. And enjoying. Wonderful job.
Author's reply
Dear perelleth -
"When the time of harvest arrives, it is a foolish thing to hope that the earth would yield something different than it can produce, and Darkness has been around since ever."
Too true - but so has mercy. This bad old world would've blown itself to bits a long time ago, if not for that. And even in flooded New Orleans, there was a woman who lifted her voice and sang, calming her own fears and the desperate folks around her - and according to the account I read, prevented a riot. So Arwen was right, "There is always hope," and one person really can make a difference.
I'm so glad you're enjoying this story, in spite of all the darkness. Thank you for staying with me, and for reviewing.
jo
Raksha The Demon
· 17 September 2005
· Chapter 17: Captured
Will Freiga and her unborn child pay for Logi's sins? I don't like it that Canohando is displaying evil Orcish tendancies; and it's worse that he's aware of the Darkness creeping up on him, and trying to fight it. I'm sure he's got some ghastly torture in mind for Logi; but I think Logi won't live to endure it. One can only hope he dies bravely, accomplishing one good thing. I'm not even sure that Canohando will survive the ruin of the Shire...
Update soon, please!
Author's reply
No, I don't think I want to know what Canohando has in mind for Logi - he probably could even justify it to himself, as appropriate punishment for Logi's treachery against the cousin who loved and trusted him. But you're right - Logi's own tormented conscience looks like finishing him off before he finds his grandfather. To be continued... thanks for reviewing!
jo
Raksha The Demon
· 17 September 2005
· Chapter 15: Freiga
A poignant look inside little Freiga, previously relegated to the position of shallow pretty girl and traitor-bait. Her fondness for Logi, who has been cruel as well as kind to her, is sad; she longs so much to matter to someone that she accepted an enemy and ruined them both. Yet she finds courage at last; though she refused to leave her tribe for Logi, she won't let her tribe kill her baby.
She's awakened to a new maturity in a very dark time, though; I'm not sure either Freiga or her baby will survive, though I'm almost certain that Logi won't live to see the child born.
Very sad, but enthralling story.
Author's reply
I'm so glad you like it, Raksha, even though it is very dark - yes, Freiga has grown up, but perhaps too late... we'll see.
Thank you for reviewing!
jo
Rose Sared
· 16 September 2005
· Chapter 17: Captured
Oh my goodness, I forgot, when you get to action, you really get action. such raw feelings here, from Canahando, from everyone really. I ponder what will become of the hobbits en masse. Great chapter, wonderful writing - enter Mab stage left?
Rose
Author's reply
"I ponder what will become of the hobbits en masse."
Well, Tolkien wrote as if the hobbits are still around, even in these days, but hidden from sight and avoiding the Big People. Makes me think of all the legends of "little folk" in Europe, raiding the cow byre for a pitcher of milk and leaving a blessing for the well-disposed farmer. So I'm assuming that they survived. But whether Canohando can hold out against the dark, in such desperate times...
Thanks for reviewing, Rose!
jo
Rose Sared
· 12 September 2005
· Chapter 16: Malawen's Ride
Um, nice to see Malawen in action again - she ever was feisty and I love the way she uses her elvishness to her advantage. I am worried tho' on her own she would be the match for any, but encumbered by wounded. Rose's brow furrows, not good, methinks.
Lovely lively chapter for a gets here to there one, wish I could be so clever - still with you on this story.
Rose
Author's reply
Hi, Rose - I'm so glad you're still with me! And the next chapter should be more than a "just passing through". Thanks for reading!
jo
perelleth
· 11 September 2005
· Chapter 16: Malawen's Ride
Gee, now you got me soooo worried for sooo many characters! Poor Osta, trapped inside a death trap, poor malawen trying to find the commander, and Where is Canohando? Freiga in search of her orc, and Logi, where's Logi? And now that his grandma is about and away, he'll be bound to fulfill his promise to the river and protect her? This summer won't end in glory, I fear...
Author's reply
They are all in a raft of trouble, aren't they? No, this isn't a good summer for the Shire, or anyone in it.
jo
perelleth
· 2 September 2005
· Chapter 15: Freiga
Apologies for the delay...
I was hoping to read from her! So that's how life turned out for Freiga... gee, such a couple of bereft people, and such a poor comfort she finds in her brutal orc...women's lot was always the poorer, then, But she's resolute enough. Now I'm wondering what's going to happen to them. Poor thng, just thinking they could ran away together.... Wow! This gets more and more entangled by the minute! chain mailed riders coming!
Author's reply
Right, talk about star-crossed lovers! And if only she had gone with him when he asked her to, and he had never betrayed Haldar... would he have learned to love tenderly? Probably Haldar would have sought him out, brought them provisions... if only.
Sorry for the delay in answering. I've been glued to the news reports, don't want to read them and can't manage not to. Must - get - back - to - writing!
But thanks so much for reviewing -
jo
Inkling
· 1 September 2005
· Chapter 14: The Little Hero
So sad to see Bag End ravaged once again…and to know that this time, it probably won’t be restored. I hope we’re going to see the scene you seem to be setting up here: Logi at the Ring-bearer’s grave. Will he finally understand? Perhaps Frodo can still help another orc, somehow…
Author's reply
Maybe so - or perhaps Sam? Logi has a new appreciation for loyalty now, and I almost think his mind is more on the Ring-bearer's faithful friend, than on Frodo himself - Sam's behavior being the very opposite of his own.
Thanks so much for reviewing!
jo
Inkling
· 1 September 2005
· Chapter 13: The Heart Refuses
So he can kill his cousin, but not a Hobbit! Even Logi has his limits…perhaps finding the bear’s tooth, with all it represented, did him some good. And I wonder, too, about the Lady’s jewel…will it do Freiga some good?
Author's reply
Ah, there's a question I hadn't considered. Perhaps the Jewel gives Freiga strength to save her baby, and try to save her husband.
jo
Inkling
· 1 September 2005
· Chapter 12: The Shire Takes Cover
Back from travels in Hobbit Country—aka the British Isles—and trying to catch up with everything, including this story. What a ripping good tale this continues to be, Jo! I have a fondness for beginnings and endings, I guess. I loved Lindelea’s “The Shire: Beginnings,” and this one makes rather a good bookend with it.
Author's reply
Thank you! Lindelea is a master storyteller - I'm highly flattered. And you've been traveling in the Shire? Lucky you!
jo
Rose Sared
· 1 September 2005
· Chapter 15: Freiga
I almost hope she finds Canahando before she finds Logi, such a tale of woe and the babe has done no-one wrong.
Looking foward to more - as ever.
Rose
Author's reply
And even Freiga herself - where she's wronged anyone she's done it from love: falling in love with Logi, yet loving her people too much to run away from them - until now. Yet she's landed herself in a desperate situation, and if she meets an enraged and grief-stricken Canohando... he's ready to kill his grandson on sight. What about the "wanton" who seduced him?
I'm so glad you're enjoying it, Rose!
jo
perelleth
· 21 August 2005
· Chapter 14: The Little Hero
So, I've found myself trying to remind me what Logi did.
You know I've pitied him since the very beginning, because of the seemingly unavoidable curse of his nature. Such a harsh way apppointed to this orc to grow up! Boy, his remorse is heart wrenching and he must have found out by now that love with Freiga was all different from love of his family and respect and trust from his friends. So Canohando's guilt some chapters before that he had not thought to find him a wife to prevent this is proven right... in a way.
Deep inside he's so wise and discerning! Perfect tragedy, yet again...Logi standing before the ringbearer's tomb! poor one!
Author's reply
Yeah, Logi is really a conflicted soul. Along with his natural ferocity he's lived his whole life under Canohando's training, to say nothing of Haldar's influence. These things weren't enough to stop him, but they're enough to haunt him when he tries to throw them off. Whether he would have avoided yielding to his Orc nature, if he had had a wife - I don't know. He wasn't loyal to Haldar - would he have been loyal to a wife, when he was so powerfully attracted to Freiga? And he was drawn to the fierceness and violence of the barbarian warriors, as well... I'm not sure marriage would have saved him.
And if he had known Frodo Baggins in real life? Who knows?
jo
Rose Sared
· 21 August 2005
· Chapter 14: The Little Hero
"The thought brought Canohando very near, and it came to him that he wanted his grandfather.
He'd kill me the moment he laid eyes on me! But perhaps that was what he wanted after all – to be judged, and pay the penalty. Anything to close his ears to Haldar's scream"
And there encapsulated is the great tragedy of this tale - I find myself caring less what happens to the hobbits - but boy do I care what happens to Canohando and Logi -
Sign of pretty good writing indeed.
Still enjoying
Rose
Author's reply
Yes, I'm afraid the Orcs rather took over this tale - typical of the breed -
I'm so glad you're still enjoying it.
jo
Nina the powerwriter
· 21 August 2005
· Chapter 14: The Little Hero
The last few paragraphs had me in near tears.
He himself had not been loyal. In some obscure way he felt he owed them an apology.
That clenched my heart.
Wonderful writing, Jo! You never cease to amaze me. You write redeemable villians so well too! I am urger to see what happens next.
Author's reply
Thanks, Nina!
jo
perelleth
· 17 August 2005
· Chapter 13: The Heart Refuses
I was missing Logi. Even his wild nature must feel uncomfortable at these barbarians' careless despoiling of what used to be *his* country, his duty and his people. And now he's sobering up and seeing through. Even if he knows that his people are not his people any longer, he knows he's not one of the barbarinas either, who shun and distrust him so he's only got his own counsel to follow. His thought of his grandpa was poignant. Ufff!!! And they still taunt him with the burning! Poor Logi. Is he happy with Freiga at least?
Author's reply
Poor Logi, indeed! He still loves Freiga - but his guilt won't let him enjoy the love that he paid such a terrible price to gain. In fact, his self-disgust is close to cutting him off from love or friendship in any form - and then a Hobbit landed in his hands...
jo
Rose Sared
· 14 August 2005
· Chapter 13: The Heart Refuses
Too late for repentance and far to soon for forgiveness. How on earth will he save the hobbit and his own life. Talk about cliffies Jo - my heart may not survive to many chapters like this!
Do keep it up.
Loving the ride - Rose
Author's reply
Thanks, Rose! Yes indeed, Logi's "passed the point of no reutrn" on both fronts, hasn't he?
jo
Nina the powerwriter
· 14 August 2005
· Chapter 13: The Heart Refuses
O.O is Logi having a change of heart? That would be something if he did! It'd be wild if he redeems himself. I'm glad he took the tooth since that was so important. It wrenched my heart to think of Bag End being burned after so many years of it staying safe! Made me want to cry :(
Author's reply
Heartbreaking indeed that Bag End could be destroyed - so many good and lovely things falling prey to men whose greatest pleasure is killing and pillaging. But one thing of all his grandfather's teaching has stuck with Logi - he will not stand by while a Hobbit comes to harm. And Frodo's tooth around his neck - who knows if that has its influence as well?
jo
perelleth
· 11 August 2005
· Chapter 12: The Shire Takes Cover
Wow! I'm impressed at how you write strategy! Unfortunately I don't have my map of the shire at hand, as my books are still packed, but I believe I can make a reasonable guess at to what is going on... and it makes a lot of sense to me, how they're spreading their forces. It was dismaying, though, to see the Guardians overwhelmed by these barbarians...
And it was great fun to see the mathoms from the War of the Ring come to use after three millenia! I loved the strategic talk, and this fifth son of Canohando seems a good commander. It always impresses me when people are ready to do their duty, even when saidduty means that you may die. SIgh. I love well laid plans and strategies, too, but unfortunately this is going to be an unavoidable massacre!
Now that I come to think of it, these guardians have taken up the place of the dunedain rangers in a more than worthy manner, haven't them?
I'm loving this.
Author's reply
I'm glad you can visualize it, even without a map, perelleth. I have to admit, I keep my Shire maps close at hand as I write, hoping that I'm estimating travel times halfway accurately.
Yeah, I imagine the Guardians as sort of inheriting the role of the Dunedain - in a lesser way, of course, since they're concerned only with the Shire. And I'm so glad you're enjoying the story - as I very much enjoy your reviews!
jo
Rose Sared
· 11 August 2005
· Chapter 12: The Shire Takes Cover
Is there ever a reasonable emergency -LOL! Nice getting from here to there ch, Jo and I like your hobbits - sensible and organised, very hobbity to come through in a pinch.
Still reading, still enjoying
Rose
Author's reply
Glad you're still reading, Rose. Another roller-coaster drop coming in the next chapter...
jo
perelleth
· 9 August 2005
· Chapter 11: Retreat
Sorry I'm so behind in reading and reviewing. I've just moved, ( have changed country, continent and hemisphere in one shot!) so some things have been postponed and time is now going to be scarcer for pleasant things..
I so loved the contrast between the grimnes of last chapter, battle and harshness with the gentleness inn htis one, the suport, and solidarity, despite the danger. OSta is a great character for his role, and he must have been reat comfort in this situation.
"So, after an Age being shielded by the Guardians, it comes our turn to succor you," Feldibar said when they were seated by the fire..." I so much loved this. It is so hobbitutsh, so typical of their solidarity and the kindness of this race, glad to be able to be of help after such a long time! IT perfectly captured the spirit of the race, I think!
Thanks for the kind respite. I suppose we shall be back to the carnage soon..Sigh!
Author's reply
Wow, perelleth, that's quite a move! Thank you for taking time to read and review in the midst of all that. New neighborhood indeed - country, continent, and hemisphere - so where have you landed? I hope you'll be very happy there, and soon come to feel at home.
jo
Rose Sared
· 8 August 2005
· Chapter 11: Retreat
Ah, I like the way things are moving on, and how nice for the hobbits to not only be able to return care for care but to be so prepared to do so.
Malawen is redoubtable these days isn't she - no more fears just certainty.
Lovely chapter - keep it up.
Rose
Author's reply
Thanks, Rose. And Malawen's had a lot of experience by now, hasn't she? A few thousand grandchildren... yeesh!
jo
Cuthalion
· 7 August 2005
· Chapter 11: Retreat
I like the humorous courtesy of Feldibar Took - like a small shine of Pippin's happy mischief! And am I wrong or is there a chapter missing?
Cúthalion
Author's reply
I hadn't thought of that - it is, isn't it? And you've seen 2 more chapters than are posted here yet, my darling beta!
jo
Inkling
· 3 August 2005
· Chapter 10: The Inundation
Two more splendid chapters, with the moments of reflection standing in poignant contrast to the fury of battle. Interesting, Logi’s decision not to tame the trees if it came to that, even to save himself…he is on no one’s side at this point. Not even his own.
Author's reply
Thanks, Inkling! And you're right. When he abandoned loyalty, he lost it entirely - even for his own welfare.
jo