You know, it just occured to me that reviewing this story is on my list of things to do, and that I hadn't done it yet. My apologies!
- I just adore your characterization of Galadriel. Powerful and somewhat intimidating, but more warm and understanding than strangers know, patient when it serves her, and with a wonderful sense of humor. I finally got back to writing myself the other day, and am struggling with flat characterization. I just need to breath in the ambiance of your story, and maybe it will come back to me.
- Loved how some of the shy elves started approaching her, and the way she dealt with them.
- " had forgotten how irritating I could find him,’ Celeborn murmured. ‘There is something about those with whom you were young – they know exactly how to annoy you most with the least possible effort" Hee. Too funny. Also true ;)
- I loved how Galadriel's picking up on the problem of the wandering Sindar, even as Celeborn is still a bit clueless. I don't know if he's ready to deal with it yet. He needs something to do, a work to accomplish, but I don't know if he's strong enough to take that on his shoulders.
- The aside about horses and Nahar. I love how you've been bringing in Silm references! It makes the stories so rich.
- ‘You left him behind?’ ... ‘He sent me ahead.’ Brilliant! I'd never thought of it in quite that light.
Wonderful chapter, Bodkin, as ever. I look forward to the next!
Author's reply
Thank you - it's good to know you like it.
I keep reminding myself that Celeborn loved Galadriel - for a very very long time - so she much have had plenty of appealing qualities - (beyond the obvious). And he just wouldn't hang on to the edges of her power. He just didn't need to! Though others were probably wise to watch their step with her!
And even Galadriel would be impressed, I would think, by those who were there at the very beginning and went their own way. She's probably better at coaxing those who are wary of her than she is at dealing with sycophants. Although I don't know. If ever there is someone who can deal with all sorts of people!
Yes - long-lost cousins and old school-friends: you're delighted to see them - and rapidly remember why you haven't kept in touch!
Galadriel has had (in my version) about 500 years of recovery time, while Celeborn has arrive (in rather worn condition) only relatively recently. He isn't ready for pressure - but he is desperately in need of knowing that he is needed. So hopefully between the two of them, they will be able to start to deal with the problem.
The Nahar bit wrote itself - I'm becoming addicted to throwing in all the Silmarillion stuff. (Blame Earendil!)
Galadriel and Celeborn's situation at the end of the Third Age is difficult - she was in a bad way, I think, knowing she had to leave, but not really wanting to. I can see Celeborn making the decision - in a very practical way.
I've started the next chapter - but haven't got too far with it yet. But your words encourage me to keep playing!
Dot
· 2 July 2005
· Chapter 3: Unwinding
You know what I was just thinking? As well as the fact that I’m unforgivably late with this… You write female characters really well. I suppose in this fandom most of the characters are going to be male so I’m probably used to reading (and writing) them but I find women hard to write without them becoming clones of each other and I’ve read very few stories where they’re written particularly well. But you manage it with such ease. They’re all strong, all different and yet all recognisably female.
I really enjoyed the opening scene. I think it’s Galadriel more so than the horse who wants the dry house and a fond admirer to… whatever. I thought she handled the jumpy elf very well. She must be getting a bit frustrated, though. The things you do for love, eh?
‘I could object – and throw a fit of Noldorin temper about being abandoned in the midst of so many inferior elves.’ ROTFL! Part of what I love about your Galadriel is how very aware she is of exactly what people think of her and yet how willing she is to have a little fun with that persona - even if it is often just around her husband.
I think Galadriel could find herself having a more interesting time than she thought. The Huntsman conversation was just fascinating. I bet she never thought she’d be comforting someone like Bórdain over the choice he made.
Losgael is growing on me. I quite like how blunt she is. I think she could be good for Galadriel. I get the impression, actually, that she’s starting to like Galadriel more than she wants to.
Goerfér, on the other hand, is starting to annoy me! It drives me nuts when people obviously have something to say but won’t just come out and say it! Celeborn is being remarkably patient! I’m probably feeling sorry for Celeborn too because he clearly still needs more time for peace and healing without some thinks-he’s-clever elf trying to manipulate (o.k. that’s probably too strong a word) him.
I like the scene with Galadriel telling Losgael about leaving ME. I think Losgael will appreciate honesty more than anything else.
‘The daughter of the Noldor’s High King together with Elu’s closest kin? If you cannot help us, none can.’ So, a project?! Losgael could have made a better hand of saying it but at least it was better than Goerfér’s irritating attempt at being enigmatic. Did I mention that I’m not too fond of him?! Still, this actually sounds like something that would give Celeborn some purpose. Just give him a minute to catch his breath! But is this the reason that they sought Celeborn out in the first place? Hmm.
Wonderful chapter, Bodkin! Apologies for the lateness. I’ll be up to date one of these days… :-/
Author's reply
Late? No problem - it's fun hearing later - and I get more time to think about replying!
I do think females are under-represented here. They often are, of course, since they are in literature and film as a whole, but there are quite a few unconsidered females in Tolkien who are, when you come to think about them, fascinating characters. And strong. And I like to write them. I'm glad you think they come out as being individuals, too.
I can't see Galadriel really enjoying being wet and dishevelled and covered in horse hair - fine weather, yep, she could sail through being an outdoor elf in good conditions, but mud is a whole different matter! And she and Celeborn have had long enough to learn how each other's people see them: the arrogant, self-important, masculine, power-grubbing princess and the power-seeking, inferior, unimportant scion of a forsaken house clutching onto the coat-tails of authority. They would have to laugh at it and disregard it or be destroyed.
Bordain impresses the socks off Galadriel, I think. So much more than he seems. Whereas Goerfer, maybe, is so much less than he thinks he ought to be. And Galadriel is in better condition for politics at the moment than Celeborn is. He does still need time - he'll pick up the nuances pretty quickly, I suspect, but the elf needs some R and R. Hopefully Losgael will keep him in his place and let things take their time - they have enough after all. I reckon Galadriel will appreciate being around someone who can take honesty. She's had people pussyfooting around her for a good long while as she's been recovering - and that's not the people who will always treat her with kid gloves, just because she can be scary.
A project. Just what Celeborn needs really - as long as he can take it at his own pace. There's a certain element of right place / right time - but the forest elves aren't found unless they want to be. On the whole. So they've recognised an opportunity.
I'm glad you liked it. Any comments, any time. Thank you.
The Karenator
· 30 June 2005
· Chapter 3: Unwinding
I really liked this chapter. The dry humor is wonderful. I especially liked the line where Galadriel offers to throw a temper tantrum, and the one where she says that she should extend her experience in tending horses in case she decides to become a stable hand. Who knew Galadriel was such a card? I love dry humor!
Losgael is an interesting sort. She's very plain spoken and a tad wary yet of Galadriel. Not rude, but very forthcoming with her thoughts. Looks like Galadriel appreciates that in her too. Two strong women. I love the way you've drawn their personalities so clearly. I'm taking notes! I find women hard to write sometimes.
Goerfér's cooking something up. He's testing Celeborn, and if he's not careful, Celeborn will test his fist upside his cousin's head. Celeborn wasn't called 'the wise' for nothing, but Goerfér's caught him at a time when his patience might not be the best. And don't be insulting his wife. I'm sure he's heard it all before, but for Pete's sake, enough is enough.
One of the most interesting things I think you've hit upon is that Valinor isn't perfect. There are still struggles and differences between the various factions of elves. I like this. Surely Eru, if not the Valar, know that with no challenge and freewill in life, the elves would stagnate into mere shadows of what they had been created to be. They are still free to be who they are...even if it's a bit more sedate than fighting orcs and dark lords.
This was a very thought provoking chapter and a wonderfully written one. I enjoyed it very much.
Karen
Author's reply
In my mind, Galadriel had a lot of the humour drained out of her in those last Lothlorien years - all that ring-bearing malarkey - but she is feeling a lot better now, especially since the Silver Tree decided to come west. They have been together a long time and have to be able to deal with each other's little quirks - and how better than humour!
Losgael isn't at all sure she wants these two interfering in the lives of the returned. Interference brings change - and that is not always good. But I reckon Galadriel is only too pleased to find someone who can tell it like it is - and who is not prepared to collapse at a frown.
Goerfer is impulsive - but not stupid. And deciding to sit back and wait is probably one of the more difficult and sensible things he has done. And maybe Celeborn does need to realise that, for some people here, the Noldor invasion and the kinslayings are not as distant as they are for others. And some people are incredibly good at harping on about history so ancient that it has become irrelevant.
How can Valinor be perfect? The elves who inhabit it are coming from so many different angles they look like a starburst - and, although they may have to accommodate each other, no-one says they have to like it! In some ways, it's probably more difficult than ME, where at least they can combine against a common enemy - which is pretty good for hiding smaller differences.
I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thank you.
Redheredh
· 27 June 2005
· Chapter 3: Unwinding
Yay! An update!
Hmm, Galadriel’s explanation about the elves partnership with horses had a lot of the same overtones as a ruler and his people. Or maybe I am stretching that a little too far. It's perfect how the animals bring Bordain out and enables a conversation between strangers about rather deep and telling feelings.
Nice to see Galadriel can be impressed by an ancient elf who was a witness to history. I know I am. Here is another of those elven historical cross-roads with few personal stories written around its events. But, maybe not for long...
Your skittish elves are charming especially Bordain. A nice contrast to Goerfer, who is twisty, and Losgael, who is so straight-forward. I don’t know why but these two feel oh-so-Irish to me. ;) My apologizes if that seems like stereotyping. I am just thinking of past characters I've encountered that are like this pair.
Interesting, that just as when Goerfer was working his way up to his point, Celeborn put a halt to it. Not ready yet, like his cousin says. Maybe, after a little more r&r, Celeborn and Galadriel can come back to these people and be a stronger aide to them.
Heh, Galadriel and Losgael are simply going to have to be friends. They both appreciate eachother's burdens a little too much besides really enjoying a talk with another intelligent elleth.
Nice to see a reverence for life by a hunter. Some writers have tried to make wood-elves into vegetarians. I am more inclinded to think that some are ascetic, but most are like the members of any hunter-gatherer culture and feel a grateful respect instead. Beren had his reasons for not hunting the birds and beasts. Forest dwellers have their reasons for doing so.
"He sent me ahead." How true. I like that you allow Celeborn to have more than one reason for choosing his actions. Galadriel's healing was the big reason for her going. But, I have always felt Celeborn stayed longer because one important thing he had to do was move the Galadhrim to a more viable piece of real estate now that Lothlorien had suffered damage from the previous attacks and being suspended in time was catching up to it. The interesting thing was Thranduil *making* him become a fellow King.
"If you cannot help us, none can." Now, you have me wondering how long Georfer and Losgael argued about approaching C&G in the first place. Trust issues galore! The conversations are as always very entertaining and thoughtful and revealing.
This story is getting even better. Well, as far as I am concerned anyway...
Author's reply
No - actually the relationship between the ruler and ruled / elves and horses actually mirror each other quite well. I think Galadriel has learned a lot about ruling over her years in Arda - both from watching it done badly and from watching it done well. I wanted Bordain to spend more time with Galadriel - but he is still too wary and inclined to keep his distance. I think he will circle a while before drawing any closer - and she will need to earn the trust of the skittish elves.
Goerfer is a bit twisty, I think - and impulsive. I don't know that he's much of a thinker - he leaves that to Losgael, probably, although she might have to convince him he thought of it in the first place.
Yes - Celeborn needs a while longer, I think, before he is ready to take on the establishment - but at least he is already seeing that there are those who need him here and that his skills and connections will be useful.
I don't feel that Galadriel has really had a female friend since Luthien - there aren't many who could stand up to the Lady of the Golden Wood.
I'm not much into hunting myself - but I don't like putting 21st century values where they don't belong, and elves would hunt. Reverently, yes, but Wood Elves at least are going to be a hunter-gatherer sort of people - and I doubt they would have Bambi-sentimentalities.
Good point about Celeborn's reasons for staying. And C and G are grown up enough to realise that love is great, but there are responsibilities that outrank romance - and everything has its time.
I wonder if Goerfer thinks he's being clever and outsmarting his cousin - and manipulating him into doing something. I wouldn't be surprised. Losgael, on the other hand, if won over, probably would understand the value of truth.
I'm glad you're enjoying the story. I'm afraid it's building quite slowly. Like the tale of a certain returned ancestor.
elliska
· 26 June 2005
· Chapter 3: Unwinding
Ooo. I'd forgotten about this one and I like it! I especially love Galadriel in this chapter. I like seeing her in the elements with her horse trying to coax out timid elves. There is so much more to her than the mysterious Noldor and you have done a great job bringing that out here--'are titles meaningless to you?'...'you left him behind?'.... You really hit a lot of ground in her conversations. My favorite though was the conversation about 'following the Huntsman.' I really enjoy little glimpses like that.
And Celeborn was equally well done. I especially like his reverence for life even as he hunts. That seems very much in character.
And the wandering elves desire for their own land and their interest in Celeborn and Galadriel's help will prove very interesting, I think. I really liked this chapter and I enjoyed re-reading the others again. Great job.
Author's reply
Thank you! I like Galadriel! You're right - she is much more than a beautiful, out-of-focus, power-crazed, manipulative Noldor with a ring of power. Why on earth would Celeborn have spent three ages with anyone so one-dimensional? The Huntsman conversation leapt out of nowhere - and just grabbed me! And the thought of Nahar, silver in the starlight.
Celeborn is still a bit brittle - he has not been in the BR that long - whereas I think Galadriel's edges have softened a little as the music of the BR has started to heal her. But what he needs is a purpose in Aman, and a reason to forgive himself for having left Arda - and he may well have found that. This is something that he can do (with Galadriel) that no-one else can.
How are the Interrupted Journeys getting along? I could do with some nicely fluffy Legolas tales right now!
perelleth
· 26 June 2005
· Chapter 3: Unwinding
I'm liking this story very much since its very first chapter. I liked the horses here, and Galadriel's explanation of the "agreement" betwen elves and horses. Nice touch that!. Galadriel's characterization is wonderful, too, her cautious amusement and her enjoyment at Losgael wits. I suppose Celeborn will soon put an end to his holidays and start "helping" his relatives? Helping them settle in a new forest sounds like something he would be ready to do!
Author's reply
Thank you! I think Celeborn will feel much happier and more settled in the Blessed Realm if he has some windmills to tilt at. He needs people to help and wrongs to right - in a very practical way. He'll soon feel quite at home!
I like Galadriel - we see a lot of her power and determination, but I reckon Celeborn would want more than that (and beauty) in his lady, and so I tend to see her with a sense of the ridiculous as well as being loving and loyal - and they both of them have a huge understanding of 'noblesse oblige'. They take responsibility - not only for their own actions, but for the care of others who look to them for help.
So, I can't think of anything more likely to make Celeborn feel at home away from his native forests than to have people looking to him for leadership.
daw the minstrel
· 26 June 2005
· Chapter 3: Unwinding
Galadriel deserves credit for her good temper under these circumstances. That really shows her strength, I think.
So these wandering elves are indeed looking for help, which usually translates to leadership, even when people don't realize it. That could be a good project for Celeborn.
Author's reply
I like Galadriel. I think she can be a bit scary - I certainly wouldn't want to cross her - but she gets a lot of bad press because she is not in a typical female role. And I reckon that she has let go a lot of the pressures of carrying Nenya by now - she has been in the BR for some time, and the brittleness has eased a lot. I wonder if she generally finds males easier to manage? (With the exception of Thranduil, of course, who goes into automatic prejudice mode as soon as he sees her.) She might, I think. I can imagine that a lot of female eyes take on a jaded look as soon as Miss Crowned-with-Radiance comes in sight.
This is turning into a kind of back story for Far Horizons. Didn't start quite that way. Never mind - the project will be good for Celeborn. I think he needs to be needed.
elliska
· 6 May 2005
· Chapter 2: Old Friends
Sorry it took me so long to review this. Work stinks.
I like Galadriel's flirtatious side and the image of Celeborn in nothing but a blanket. :) I can definitely see carefree elves in the forest in Aman enjoying themselves au natural. And especially enjoying it after ages in ME fighting Sauron. I'm glad to see Celeborn relaxing. And I liked seeing his memories contrasting the Noldors' arrival in ME and his in Aman.
And Goerfér's arrival was hilarious. but do I really have to see quite so much of you? *Grin* Too funny. I love the idea of the elves just wandering freely in the forest. They would. It's Aman. And boy after a day like today at work, that was a great image to fantasize about. :)
I think the conversation about who had returned from Mandos was great too. Elu Thingol would take a long time to recover, I think. And it would be hard on those that waited for their loved ones. I always thought Tolkien's reincarnation idea was very interesting.
And their reaction to Galadriel was great. Poor Galadriel. That reaction must get old but it would happen. I love Celeborn's response. And again, I liked the discussion of all Galadriel's kin. I love the First Age elves.
Celebrian's worrying was great too. Are you saying that my parents are comparable to a Balrog? !! I bet Elrond did think his in-laws were like a pair of Balrogs or worse on occassion.
I love this story (I love your Galadriel and Celeborn as I've said many times). Glad to see another chapter of it. :)
Author's reply
Work does indeed stink. And offspring can be difficult too!!!
I don't think elves were too fussed about showing skin (- especially male elves, probably). And Galadriel and Celeborn are recently reunited and flirtatious and interested in each other at a level that they probably haven't shown since the First Age. It's no wonder that Celebrian is a bit disconcerted by their general teenagerishness. She's not used to them being so touchy feely. C is relaxing gradually - but he does need to feel needed. And to settle in - I liked him realising the comparison between him now and the Noldor. About 7000+ years on.
Goerfer - or Geoffrey, as I call him. They were delighted to see each other - and just fell back into the old days. The forests must be the natural home of all the re-embodied Silvan and Sindarin elves - and, where there is no danger - well, they can just roam.
I think it would be easier for ordinary, rank and file elves to deal with their death and be ready to return - kings and lords would have so many decisions with which they needed to come to terms - so much guilt and I-could-have-done-this-better moments. And Elu - I think the loss of Luthien might have made return almost unbearable.
Galadriel found being unknown rather more disconcerting than being disliked. That, she's used to. And it is noticeable that, as I get to know more, more of these obscure references to past events and people tend to arrive in the conversation. It's fun.
Poor Elrond. Quite scary in-laws. But, on the other hand, he was one of the few elves who could stand up to them and treat them as equals. So he was the ideal son-in-law, really.
Glad you enjoyed it - there is a bit of the next chapter done, but it might be a while. Earendil is distracting me at the moment.
(Ten more parts, eh? And fluffy bits, too. I don't know about anyone else, but I can't wait. It's all far too exciting and enjoyable. And I want to know how they all get to the point of Chapter 1, Part 1. So don't you dare stop posting!)
Dot
· 6 May 2005
· Chapter 2: Old Friends
O.k., I’ve just had some chocolate and it’s definitely helped, although I couldn’t find any wine so I’m having tea instead ;-)
It’s such a treat to see these two so at ease and free to torment each other quite happily without having to remain aware of the presence or expectations of others. You know, I keep trying to focus on Galadriel because you’re painting such an intriguing picture of her, but I keep getting distracted by Celeborn… I was rendered as speechless as Galadriel when he says ‘How do you know that Thranduil and I did not spend the last centuries racing each other through the canopy?’ What a wonderful image! Yes, I know it didn’t happen but it’s too late, the image is already in my head!
I really like the little moments of insight that Celeborn has, like reminding himself not to look on the past in such a romantic and idealistic way, as I think we all tend to do when times are tough, and realising that he’s in danger of displaying the same dismissiveness and arrogance, born largely of a sense of uneasiness and being unsure in a strange place, as those darn Noldor princes did so long ago when they had to get used to a new home. It never fails to amaze me how much you manage to fit into such eloquent chapters.
I absolutely adored the image of Celeborn sleeping in the tree. Naked. I have a thing for powerful elves in peaceful slumber. I think it’s the vulnerability of it. *sigh* Anyway, I also liked the thought of him seemingly attuning himself to the trees as he sleeps.
Goerfér, eh? Great name but so awkward to type! I’m still smiling at their reunion. I love the way they’re both instantly so at ease with one another. Goerfér seems a lively sort. I really do like the difference between him and Celeborn. Celeborn still carries all the pain and experience of the last however-long with him. I really feel for him, actually. He must have expected, or at least hoped, to see more of his own kin and I get the impression that even of they are out there, they’re not going to be found amongst groups of recently-arrived Noldor.
Isn’t it odd to think that there are elves who have no clue who Galadriel is?! That made me stop for a second in amazement. I mean, obviously they don’t but still, that more than anything else really drives home how different things are here.
Losgael is… blunt. Clearly being reborn doesn’t mean that one forgets old grudges. Galadriel was wonderfully calm and dignified. I really admire the way she’s able to accept what people think of her and her family and can still make them see other sides of the story as well. It’s rather sad to think that after so long yearning for her home, she discovered that it wasn’t really her home after all, that she’d been too long gone and too much had happened on both sides of the sea. Still, at least she’s determined that she can make a home here again. And now she has her husband again and the two of them can find their place together.
I loved the little peek at Celebrían worrying about her daft parents. Finrod? That’d be worth seeing! He’s always fascinated me. Elrond’s right, though, that they need to be left alone, or at least alone until they happen across some wandering elves. ‘He will, I think, return happier and more settled, with a better understanding of what the Blessed Realm holds for him.’ Methinks he could be right there. I certainly hope so anyway.
Goerfér does seem to know a lot. At least he has the sense to realise that he has to show some respect for Galadriel in front of Celeborn. It’s so good to watch Celeborn become more open and to see Galadriel’s pleasure in that. The ending of the chapter was just lovely.
Anyway, I’ll take myself to my bed now. Like I said, I was thrilled to see this and I hope there’ll be more soon. Oh, and feel free to encourage Celeborn to wander around naked as much as he likes… :-)
Author's reply
I think there is a level of ease they can only have with each other. And they must have missed it dreadfully while he remained in Arda. It's no wonder that Celebrian thinks they've flipped. I don't think Finrod will actually make the party in the woods, but it is nice to think of him turning up! Not that he would be able to talk any sense into them. They do not want to hear at the moment - they are having fun.
Celeborn is pretty practical. If ever there was an elf aware enough of the dangers of romanticising the past, it must be him - but I think he was a bit disconcerted to recognise in himself the 'whingeing Pom' tendency to say that Arda good/Aman bad reflects the way the Noldor behaved. But recognising it is the first stage to overcoming it. And the trees are great - and, if he will just listen . . .
Goerfer is a stinky name to type (so is Laerwen). It's impossible to say, too. I call him Geoffrey. He was pretty light-hearted as a youth. Got him into trouble, I would say. Celeborn has learned a lot more caution - but he was upset that more of his extended family weren't around. I don't think he'll find Elu - but there must be more of the elves of his youth; they just won't hang around Tirion or Alqualonde.
There will be elves who know nothing of Galadriel - I wonder if she'd find it a relief to start with some people from scratch, or whether she'd be tempted to yell 'don't you know who I am?' I think she has largely outgrown her desire for glory - realised that it comes with strings. I don't think Goerfer is as naive as he would like you to think, though. Too curious.
Losgael is very wary of Galadriel - and not too fond of the Exiles. And many emigrants end up finding that they aren't really at home anywhere - the Blessed Realm must have changed over 7000 years or so, and Galadriel probably changed even more. You can't cross the same bridge twice, and all that sort of proverbial stuff. But she is tough enough to carve out a new home and determined enough to be happy there.
What is it about naked Celeborn and semi-naked Legolas / twins that seems to interest people so? Still, if it's what people want . . . .
More soonish. Probably an Elflings or Earendil next. I can't decide which one to put up. Any preference?
Thanks for reviewing.
Hotaru9
· 6 May 2005
· Chapter 2: Old Friends
It was great!! It's always interesting to read how other elves look on Celeborn and Galadriel's marriage. It's fun to see all the diferent aspects of it. Plenty of humor too. ^_^. As if Finrod could drag them back to civilization. That would be worth watching him try.
Author's reply
Thank you, I'm glad you liked it. I love Celeborn and Galadriel relationship stuff - and how others deal with it. It might be fun to see them dealing with Finrod - but I don't think he could make them co-operate. Three Ages ago - maybe, but now - no! I'm not sure Finrod will make an appearance this time, but you never know!
The Karenator
· 6 May 2005
· Chapter 2: Old Friends
I have really enjoyed this story, Bodkin. I think writing about Aman would be difficult. It's a place of healing, peace, and calm, but you've managed to give something that could be extremely boring, a wonderful sense of personality. I also like that Goerfér notes that it can get a little dull. Interesting to consider. Even the Elves need challenges and perhaps, this 'la-la land' is difficult at times even for them. I liked Celeborn seeing old friends from his youth and reacquainting himself with them. And I liked how you gave these wandering elves such distinct personalities.
Celebrian is still at home worrying about her parents. I get a kick out of that. Her parents are two of the most formidable elves to ever grace Arda and she's worried that they can't take care of themselves in the woods. Funny how the parent/child roles flip at times. But she loves them and is worried about her father adjusting to Aman. Gotta love her for that.
Now...Daeron wants me to ask: Celeborn was naked when he was lying by the pond, right? With the starlight on his cheeks? He was lying on his back, right? :>)
I'm very much looking forward to more of this story.
Karen...and Daeron
Author's reply
I'm glad you are enjoying it. Well - healing, peace and calm, yes - but inhabited by a group of people who produced Feanor. I don't think that it would be dull - but (hopefully) it would mostly be tolerant and accepting of differences. Elves would need something to do - and making jewels wouldn't be enough for many of them. I'm sure Celeborn arrived hoping to see rather more of the friends of his youth - but I can't imagine them hanging around in the civilised Noldor bits of Aman.
C and G are all that - but they're her parents, and parents are always a worry! Especially when they're light-headed with the pleasure of being together again. Celebrian is a star.
Daeron is a boy elf. He knows what boy elves look like when they're relaxing by the pool! Tell him to use his skills to make you a sketch.
Do you think Celeborn should swim more often?
I have started the next chapter. (And all the other next chapters. This makes a pleasant relief from worrying about boats.)
Redheredh
· 5 May 2005
· Chapter 2: Old Friends
Oh I am so glad you update this story! Once again, there is no part that is not, for all review purposes, perfect. Writing, characterization, pacing - even the little aside to Elrond and Celebrian. Just mentioning the idea of Finrod coming into the story was reason that lovely scene besides the usual treats you tucked in.
Ah but, there was so many small things that tickled me in particular! To mention just a few... :)
Their repartee and affectionate interaction prior to meeting the wandering elves.
That phrase: "from repose to readiness with the wariness of a warrior" I love alliteration like that!
And Goerfer's name! So appropo - just as an elf's name should be, espeically in C's family. Gotta say, you were very kind to aviod the Ilkorin spelling used in his other cousin's name and saddling him with a silly name problem like his silver-haired cousin's. ...geez, that got rather twisty, didn't it...
The guys' conversation was as jokingly cordial as it should be between two old buddies. And yet, there is that line even Goerfer cannot cross. I wonder how long it would have taken the others to make a move if Goerfer had not been there.
I continue to appreciate how you describe the circumstances of being reborn, especially for wood-elves, as being very different for those who sailed in need of a place to heal.
Losgael and Galadriel's conversation about going home again and its slight reflection of Celeborn's earlier reminder to himself about going back to what has passed. But, that they can find a another home for themselves given time is really is a shared mission, I think.
Interesting that Losgael used the term Laquendi, that was the name the Noldor gave the Laegrim. But, she did live under Noldor lordship. Did she die before or after revelation of the Kinslaying and Thingol's edict? Her mention of Luthien did not make that very clear considering she might have heard that from someone else.
Celeborn's hackles raising over aspersions cast at his lady. Very gallant and amusing bit.
"pretending artlessness is a form of arrogance as great as any other" Ha! I wish he had said that to Hrassa.
"how much mystique they invested in the silver-haired scions of Elu's kin" ;D I have to like that line.
And so many others as well, but this is enough surely or I would be quoting the entire chapter and parsing it like a snip.
Great chapter. You are spoiling your readers rotten.
Author's reply
Thank you - I'm glad you liked it. I thought I recognised a bit of influence from someone there on the silver-haired scions of Elu's kin - I wonder who has been making me look at Celeborn that way!
I love writing C and G alone - I think it's the only time they could be really relaxed and silly and normal. So much of the time they are rulers and the holders of power and have to behave like that. I wouldn't be surprised if G loves being in the woods simply so that she can throw nuts at Celeborn and giggle.
I'm glad you like Goerfer's name. I try, but naming isn't easy. (It's also a stinky name to type.) They know each other well enough to be rude to each other - but Celeborn's had a lot of hassle over his Noldo wife and he's had to make some lines perfectly clear. Although he didn't actually hit his (distant) cousin. (I think anyone who sneered at Celeborn to Galadriel would need to watch for vengeance, too.)
Being re-embodied must be . . . odd. And nothing would make these elves go and seek court places in Tirion.
I do think that, however Galadriel hankered for home, she would have found that after three ages, the Blessed Realm wasn't home - and that Arda was, so that she probably yearns (now) for the places she lived across the sea. (Frequently emigrants find that they end up with something between two homes and none.) I think they will find a home in the end. . . . . Somewhere across the mountains, probably, in a vast and ancient forest.
Laiquendi - I could say she was being snarky and getting at Galadriel. But really, I'm just not up on all the differences. They call themselves Laegrim, right? OK. I'll remember that. I think (conveniently) that whenever they died, they probably know all sorts of the more dramatic bits of history from later centuries. After all, as Goerfer says, it can get a bit boring wandering incessantly - and they fill up the gaps with gossip.
I love it when lines are quoted - it makes me feel really good.
I'm glad you're enjoying it!
Ellie
· 5 May 2005
· Chapter 2: Old Friends
I enjoyed this very much! Love the shy elves and Celeborn slowly being accepted back into the fold and into the free wandering ways he left so long a go. Glad his buddy returned and rememebrs him. Can't wait to read more!
Author's reply
It must be very disconcerting to die in an Arda before the sun rose and be re-embodied into live in Aman. And I think the wandering elves would be very shy and keep to themselves - and it would take a long time to be accepted by them, probably.
Thank you for commenting - and more will come. There's a bit started off now, so I know how the next bit is going. (I just need time to write now!)
Dot
· 5 May 2005
· Chapter 2: Old Friends
A delicious and fascinating chapter. I was delighted to see an update for this one. And I'll write a decent review tomorrow when my brain is (hopefully) functioning slightly better :-)
Author's reply
I'm glad you liked it - the first half wrote itself, but it was waiting for something more. (I really need more structure - I dive in and then realise I can't swim!)
Take chocolate and wine. Guaranteed brain repair.
Bejai
· 5 May 2005
· Chapter 2: Old Friends
Oh, wonderful, Bodkin! Just yesterday I was hoping you would update this story, and here it is! You mind reader, you. Don't have time to leave a long review, but wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed it. Well, maybe I have time to make one or two comments ;)
- Celeborn. Walking around. Naked. *whew*
- Meeting the other elves, and getting a little into the complex backstory of C&G. I love hints of the Silm!
- Celebrian, still worried about them, and wanting to send Finrod after them. Ha!
Great chapter. Really made my day to find this here today.
Author's reply
Yep. Naked. And quite happy about it. He feels that if anyone has a problem with it - it's their problem. Or not.
I am beginning to feel a bit more knowledgeable about Background Stuff - and love throwing it in when I can - although I'm rather nervous about making mistakes (dealt with by keeping it vague!)
Ahh - typical daughter of ageing parents! They're a bit euphoric at the moment and she's not used to them being so light hearted. So something must be wrong. Finrod would be an interesting addition (but one I will avoid, I think). I don't have a feel for him yet.
It was fun to write. The first half had been done for ages, but something needed to happen - and I couldn't decide what until Goerfer announced his presence.
Thank you - I feel inspired to go and start chapter 3 now!
daw the minstrel
· 5 May 2005
· Chapter 2: Old Friends
The look at these wandering, re-embodied elves was fascinating! I loved their oneness with the forest, and Galadriel is quite right. She and Celeborn could benefit from walking with them for a while. Still, I'm just bowled over by the lack of goal directed behavior. It's so different from the way we live!
Author's reply
I love the juxtaposition of wandering elves and goal-directed behaviour. I can just picture the disapproval among the strait-laced Noldor as they tut at the pointlessness of 'just because it's there - and what's over the next hill' behaviour. It will do C and G both good to get away from people who expect things of them - although I don't know how long that will last!
I was thinking today, as I drove, that they can only be totally relaxed and silly when they are alone - most people look at them with Expectations. And they are used to fulfilling them. I can't see these two lacking direction for long!
Elena Tiriel
· 6 April 2005
· Chapter 1: Ripe for Change
What a lovely, lyrical beginning, Bodkin! I look forward to seeing where you go with this...
- Barbara
Author's reply
Thank you! I'm not sure how long it will be - but felt that C and G needed a bit of time in the woods to - h'mm - rebuild their relationship. And for C to settle and find a purpose for himself in the Blessed Realm.
(And that, as I seem to like revisiting the time period, it would be better to put it in one story - I've already got about four single chapter reunion tales.)
Dot
· 28 March 2005
· Chapter 1: Ripe for Change
Believe it or not, I’ve trying to get a review written for this chapter since you posted it. I’m disgracefully behind with reviewing at the moment. I’ve been apologising to everyone and I must apologise now to you too!
I love all your stories but my favourites are definitely your Galadriel/Celeborn ones. So I was thrilled to see this! The opening was so beautiful. You completely transported me away from a wet and windy night! I adore the way these two tease one another. I can just see Celeborn regretting ever saying anything while she recited the list of things to be done. And I think the line ‘Sewing enables me to look industrious while I scheme’ is one of the best in fanfiction!
It must be rather disappointing to learn that life is still full of mundane details even in this supposedly wondrous place. Even Galadriel, for all her desire to see her home again, must have been at a loss sometimes. Running away for a while is a wonderful idea! It’s clearly what Celeborn needs until he is sufficiently recovered to take on new projects. I love that she knows this and wants to give it to him. But there seems to be a suggestion too that she needs her husband to herself, away from anyone else.
I love the glimpse of their time in Doriath! There’s something oddly appealing about the idea of Galadriel and Luthien conspiring against Celeborn!!
I had to laugh at everyone’s reactions to the Lady of the Golden Wood trekking off into the forest to spend some time in the wild. Personally, I think she’ll be fine. She may have spent a long time floating around Lothlorien in white dresses but to be fair, she’s known a lot of hardship too and proved herself very capable. It would seem that elves aren’t any different, though, when it comes to adult children thinking their parents need to be looked after. Celebrían seems rather less than pleased with her parents’ plan. Of course, she’s seen how much her mother suffered while waiting for Celeborn to arrive so I guess I can’t blame her for feeling protective towards her.
The line “His patience had worn at her restlessness, his straightforwardness had confounded her guile, his obstinacy had taught her to bend – on occasion – and his enduring love had made it possible for her to bear burdens that could have broken her” brought tears to my eyes. That’s so beautiful. There’s something very humble about Galadriel in that moment and her love for him just shines through.
Celeborn does seem more alive out in the forest. Apart from being reunited with his wife and daughter, he can’t have found it easy being here. At least for now he can let the trees and the earth soothe and revive him in a way that nothing else could.
These two seem to understand each other as no-one else can and I love the comfortable conversation and light teasing in which they indulge, but I also really like the way you write their physical closeness. There’s something very tender about it. There was something quite poignant too in the way Celeborn suddenly realises his wife might know that feeling of being a stranger in a strange land more than he had thought.
Celeborn just needs to find his place in all this. It might take him some time, but at least he has plenty of that. I look forward to seeing what you do with him! The ending of this chapter was lovely too. As long as the owners of the "silvery voices" are far enough away from these two naked, content elves! You write description so easily and fluidly.
Anyway, sorry again this took me so long. I really did love it :-)
Author's reply
Sometimes it's really hard to find time to review - especially for a reviewer as comprehensive as you! I'm just pleased to hear from you at all!
They are my favourite pair - (and, actually, get more so as I write them) - and I love how they have grown to match each other over so many years.
And that's the trouble with paradise really - someone still has to do the laundry. And even elves aren't going to give up eating entirely. In some ways, I think Celeborn would almost find the existence of everyday responsibilities to be some kind of reassurance - the Blessed Realm is really not all that different from Arda. (But that doesn't necessarily mean he wants to get involved in them!) I wonder about Galadriel and her desire to see home again - and wonder if it would be like a long-term emigrant coming home from America or Australia to see the romanticised home of their youth - only to realise why it is they left in the first place.
They do need time - time to heal and recreate their union and just settle into a new world. I feel that she has been stuck marking time until Celeborn arrived - and that she has healing to do as well and that they can only do together.
(When I started doing this, I could never have dropped in references to Doriath and Esgalduin and Luthien and so on. I have picked up a LOT of background over the last year or so. It makes it all much more fun.)
Do kids ever think their parents can do things? And Galadriel has spent a lot of time perfecting her shiny white mystic image - I imagine it's a while since Celebrian has seen her covered in mud and she's probably never seen her fending for herself. I have no doubt that she can do it - and will - and that she will enjoy herself enormously.
They have both taken a lot of stick over a lot of years because of their love for each other - and I think they both know that what they have become is directly related to their relationship.
Celeborn was very worn when he arrived, but he needs space and natural forest to help him heal - and Galadriel will see he gets it. They will support each other - and eventually they might even agree to get their clothes back on!
Thank you for commenting.
lwarren
· 24 March 2005
· Chapter 1: Ripe for Change
I just love the way you portray Galadriel and Celeborn! The first story I ever read by you was the "Letters from Home" I think it's called...the one where Celeborn sends letters to Galadriel in the Undying Lands while he is still in Middle Earth. Now he has recovered enough to feel the need to find some purpose for his life...not an easy task, I would imagine. He may have been an elf lord of great power and position on M-E, but in Valinor, he's a newcomer, and a Sinda at that.
Galadriel and her sewing was perfect - look all innocent and industrious, while plotting and planning! LOL She is great!
Had to laugh at Celebrian's doubts about her naneth being able to "rough it" in the forest. I mean, Galadriel wasn't always the Lady of the Wood...she always struck me as strong and capable and very well able to take care of herself, no matter the conditions. But, that's a grown daughter for you (my own is kinda doing that to me right now :-) - it's a very interesting position to be in!)
As usual your descriptive talents turn me pea-green with envy...I won't list my favorite lines...I'd be rewriting the bulk of the chapter. Let's just say the woods were lovely, lovely, lovely....
However, my favorite part of all is the relationship between Celeborn and Galadriel. Honestly, those two...they have me fanning myself most of the time...and giggling at their banter with each other. Anyway, this is great...I was so glad to see that it would continue beyond one chapter. Your Paradise... vignettes are like appetizers...they leave me starving for more. Thanks for the feast, Bodkin!!!! :-)
linda
Author's reply
Thank you! 'Letters from Home' was the first story I ever risked posting - together with the first 'Reflection' and 'And in the Morning'. (It was partly written in a hotel room in Sydney, when we went to my cousin's wedding. Random useless information.)
I'm really not at all sure that the Blessed Realm would be all that much of a paradise to the elves of Arda once they had overcome their exhaustion and healed. I think even Galadriel (or possibly, even, especially Galadriel) would have found herself at a loose end in someone else's land. She may have yearned for Aman, but she had been gone a long, long time. And Celeborn is not one to sit around doing nothing - and, despite being married to Galadriel, not one to sit around 'yes-man'ning the decisions of others. If ever anyone needed his own lands to guide, it is the Lord of Lothlorien.
Galadriel is brilliant at looking the lady - but underneath she has the soul of a pioneer. Whatever Celebrian might think, Galadriel will be fine under the most difficult of conditions! (Grown children all seem to think their parents need looking after - I don't expect elves are any different.)
And yes - there's a lot going on under the surface between C and G. Yet they are able to share it without scaring the horses and embarrassing the neighbours! Subtle, they are.
I hope I'm not piling in too much description - it can get tedious. But, at times, combinations of words just ask to be written. And who am I to refuse them!
Nice to hear from you. Best wishes.
The Karenator
· 19 March 2005
· Chapter 1: Ripe for Change
Oh my goodness, Bodkin. This is just beautiful, gliding along like the song the elves were singing as the sun set. Your descriptions were rich and vibrant; your characters were just as full and alive.
The way you described Celeborn's weariness and tenuous steps toward blending into this strange place was such a wonderful understanding of what it must have been like to have to adjust to being a care-worn stranger in a strange land. Galadriel's willingness to give whatever was needed to see him hear the song of the native trees and find his place was so nicely done.
Of course, Celebrian wasn't quite as sold on this adventure as her parents were. I'm not sure what sort of danger lurks in Valinor other than those found in nature, but Celebrian didn't seem to think her parents were up to this. Her mother, especially, wasn't used to such hardships as not having scented baths and a kitchen crew. I think she underestimates her mother. Galadriel might have been The Lady of the Golden Wood, but she was not a wilting violet. She had many struggles in her time in ME, and I don't think there is much that she couldn't master.
I'm truly looking forward to seeing what happens on this trip into the wild. I hope the wildest thing that happens is between the two of them!
This is just wonderful!
Karen
Author's reply
Thank you.
Celeborn was reluctant to sail, I feel, not just because he didn't want to leave his homeland, but because he was worried about what he could possibly do in Valinor. I would imagine, actually, that Galadriel found it just as difficult to settle - it may have been where she was born and where her parents still lived, but going home to your parents after three ages of being your own boss can't be the easiest situation. I think she has long had in mind that it would be necessary to take her husband off to the forests for a long period of renewal.
No, Celebrian wasn't too keen on her parents becoming grown-up gappies, going off to find themselves in the forest! Of course, Galadriel had been in a bit of a state, because she didn't think Celeborn was going to sail, and Celeborn is only just recovering from the exhaustion of those last years in Arda - she's only wanting to look after them! (The moment, my mother says, when you no longer carry the shopping - your children pick it up and carry it for you.) Galadriel can, of course, cope perfectly well without the niceties of life. She's done it before - more than once - and can do it again. And, in fact, she will enjoy a challenge.
I think there's plenty happening between the two of them! Why do you think they were so relaxed?
Redheredh
· 18 March 2005
· Chapter 1: Ripe for Change
Just plain, flat-out, deeply, incredibly, wonderfully, perfectly, gorgeous. As are all your stories about these lovers.
Author's reply
Glad you like it. I am enjoying the range of adjectives!
They have chosen each other - and they have grown together in a relationship that does not hide behind illusion and has dealt with about every experience and emotion possible.
Karri
· 18 March 2005
· Chapter 1: Ripe for Change
This is a lovely look at Celeborn and Galadriel. I like your characterizations of them very much. :-)
Author's reply
Thank you. I'm fond of them as a couple - I think they can manage each other with extraordinary skill. And they are comfortable in each other's company, in a way that you would be, I suppose, if you have had several thousand years of marriage and are able to visit each other's mind.
Nilmandra
· 18 March 2005
· Chapter 1: Ripe for Change
I need to admit something here: I have no problem at all seeing Galadriel at ease with Celeborn among the trees with little comforts! I may be the only one, but I consider that she picked up and left Valinor, crossed the grinding ice of the Helcaraxe, made her way to Menegroth, and eventually crossed the Blue mountains. She faced the unknown without fear. She undoubtedly could defend herself. She saw herself as powerful, and became lady of the Galadhrim a wood people. I can easily see this vision you show - I think she is very adaptable and that this trip for them will be pleasant and yet eye opening.
And now I hope they make long passionate love in the long grass beneath the stars :D
Author's reply
No, I quite agree. Galadriel will cope in the forest with considerable grace and panache. But those who are accustomed to seeing the soft-focus Lady, clothed in white samite, mystic, wonderful - oh wait, that's the Lady of the Lake - have probably taken on the PR image of her as being delicate and extraordinary.
And (a la Letters from Home) she found it difficult to deal with Celeborn's long delay in arriving, so that Celebrian was quite worried about her. She actually needs to spend time in the forest being an elf, just as much as Celeborn does.
They enjoyed themselves earlier in the afternoon as they played in and by the water - and will doubtless continue to . . . take pleasure in each other's presence as the stars sing!
Bejai
· 18 March 2005
· Chapter 1: Ripe for Change
Yay, a new 'Celeborn and Galadriel in Valinor' story from Bodkin! I simply adore these stories. In fact, I was rereading your stuff last night, rather wistfully wishing that you'd write some more. And here it is! Some of my favorite bits:
- Loved Galadriel scheming as she stiched. And men! They knew do know what goes into running a house, do they? Not necessarily interesting things, but necessary.
- You've hit on one of the things I've wondered about Valinor: what would the great elves DO there? Could they really be happy without challenges to face? But I suppose they do face challenges, just of a different sort.
- Elrond and Celebrian, both having difficulty picturing Galadriel wandering around in the wild.
- Here's something I don't think I've mentioned to you before, but is one of my favorite things across your stories: I love the gentle physicality between them. Glorious.
- You had me grinning several times with their dry humor, teasing each other. Things like this: 'I am in terror, my lord,’ Galadriel remarked tranquilly' Just cracks me up.
- The description of the forest, and the elvish ability to feel and hear things in it that we mere mortals are only dimly aware of. I've been in forests where I just KNOW that the trees are talking to one another just beyond my hearing.
- ‘After all those decades of patient waiting, too,’ she said ruefully. ‘What we did was not wise.’ Heh. But Galadriel is right. They never would have been able to get approval from everyone. Better just to present people with the facts later ;) Love your conception of this, and explanation of where they were when Elu and Dior died.
Great story, as ever. Will there be more?
Author's reply
I have a slight feeling of going to Valinor being a bit like emigrating to the New World in the days when there was no going back, (well, not unless you found gold or something) because it was too far and too expensive - and there was no communication with home because both you and they were illiterate. You're there - it's supposed to be great - but now what?
And for the Lords of Arda - well, they're exiled monarchs. Titled, yes, but titles that no longer mean anything. Respected - nominally. But living in another's realm, by another's rules - and rich enough to have nothing to do. Can't take up Real Work because it's beneath your dignity. Elves could spend millennia trying to find a role - with idleness making them become less than themselves.
Elrond and Celebrian know in their heads that Galadriel has done a lot of things more physically challenging than camping in the woods - but they just find it hard to imagine her getting her hands dirty. (They'd be surprised just what she'd do if she felt it was necessary.)
I like suggesting a (h'mm) physicality between them that is implicit rather than explicit. (It's much more fun to let the imagination run!) And they are equals - they are so at ease with each other that they can do and say and be without worrying about what the reaction will be.
No, there never would have been a right moment for Celeborn and Galadriel. They showed their mettle in deciding not to let politics and other people's demands divide them - and it does explain why they weren't around! Now, as for how Galadriel managed to (sort of) avoid the fate that polished off the rest of the leaders of the Noldor . . .
There will be more. Probably not a lot more, but I'm trying to get them to put some clothes on at the moment!
daw the minstrel
· 18 March 2005
· Chapter 1: Ripe for Change
The opening of this was fun, with the generations annoying one another, but I really loved the part in the woods. The opening paragraph of that section was gorgeous, and I don't usually like description! And this
He had changed her, she knew, this silver blade of an elf. His patience had worn at her restlessness, his straightforwardness had confounded her guile, his obstinacy had taught her to bend – on occasion – and his enduring love had made it possible for her to bear burdens that could have broken her
was wonderfully and poetically perceptive.
Author's reply
Thank you. It can't be easy to suggest to Galadriel that you don't think her decisions are wise. Even Celeborn probably thinks carefully how he is going to put it. Or maybe not - I think she would take from him what she would not accept from anyone else - and he does enjoy winding her up.
Endless description is like too much cheesecake - but a brief burst can be good. And fun to write.
I'm not quite sure where this is going, but I'm looking forward to finding out.