Moments in Time by Larner

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finafyr · 12 October 2005 · Chapter 4: A Message and a Bottle

Oh Darn you Larner..( smiling through tear filled eyes) you always do this to me.. I am here crying like a baby.. I love your stories of middle earth.. I would give all my heart and most of my soul to have a book filled with them to read over and over again. I love to read about Frodo in the undying lands.. and Aragorn as king.. and the hobbits of the shire.. and out master sculptor.. I love it with all my heart.. but every time.. and I mean every time the words you write fill my heart with such joy and sometimes an enending pain in my heart that the tears flow... and it is to you that I owe my thanks... oh you are such a blessing.. your words fill so many gaps.. make the story more complete.. bring such joy and longing.. how can I ever thank you..I love that Frodo got the bottle.. and that our hobbits had their answer.. and that Lord Ulmo made sure it got to where it needed to go.. I love knowing it all. I wish that you could put your stories into a book.. I have to tell you that I sing your praises to all my friends.. and they are getting quite used to seeing the tears fall from my eyes.. they just smile and say.. "it was Larner again huh" and I smile and nod my head.. yes you are a blessing.. and I thank you my dear..

Author's reply

Oh, dear--they see you sobbing and they know it was me again! That the stories move you is definitely my reward. Am so glad that you find you like it all, including our master sculptor, and the way I depict hobbits and King. Thanks so much for the long review, and I, too, am glad Lord Ulmo decided to get involved in this one. The idea of someone sending a message in a bottle has literally been haunting me for months, and it finally got written out. That it would come across as well as it did after giving me days of fits when things weren't working together is such a relief.

shirebound · 12 October 2005 · Chapter 4: A Message and a Bottle

Oh wow. The creatures of Lord Ulmo told him of its presence, and he came forth to examine it, again read the inscription and the intent of it, and laughed, but gently. And if it should have received a small push onto the Straight Path by him, none of the rest of the Valar would be likely to criticize. What a beautiful story.

Author's reply

Am so glad you appreciate it. I think the Valar would have appreciated the intent, but particularly Ulmo, to whom in my version of the tale Frodo feels he owes so much.

Alassiel · 12 October 2005 · Chapter 4: A Message and a Bottle

Dear Larner, Thank you! This is lovely! I think that the Valar would indeed have allowed it, and I also think not having Frodo write a message in words is an excellent idea. He sent his joy in a way that was truly his own. I literally applauded after reading the tale! Blessings, Alassiel

Author's reply

Frodo would have wanted them to know, I think, that these were the ones he loved so very much. And only one who was at the Grey Havens would have known how the three of them looked at the moment they realized he would be well, and would have sought to assure them in such a way how much he appreciated their sacrifice at that moment.

Radbooks · 12 October 2005 · Chapter 4: A Message and a Bottle

This was touching, Larner. I can just see Pippin's grim determination to at least try and sail the boat, what did they have to lose? Then the notes that Merry and Sam wrote fit each of them perfectly... their personalities. Oh, I loved Lord Halladan's reaction to the wine! The pictures Frodo sent back were perfect and then the image of the three hobbits dancing under the mallorn tree was priceless. To know that they had had contact with their beloved friend or cousin was such a blessing for them. The closing line was just perfect as Ulmo has always been more involved in the lives of the peoples of Middle-earth than the other Valar. Nicely done. I have certainly enjoyed these little short stories. The next chapter of my story is up! Yes sometime we will have to try and get together, I thought about you when I was recently in that area, but as I was with a group of fellow librarians and only there overnight, I knew it wouldn't work out.

Author's reply

So glad you felt about it much as I did. I sat and growled over this story for several days, for there was one bit that was just too contrived, and it was driving me crazy. I finally found myself, like Tolkien himself, erasing the offending bit and going back in the story to where that branch started and starting it over, and although most of what came after that was almost identical to what I'd written first this time it resolved properly. Pippin's stubborn insistence that he was going to try to send the remaining wine was so like him, as was, I felt, Sam's final realization that the little he wrote was what he wanted Frodo to know. And Halladan wanting to share the wine with Aragorn just sort of appeared there--wasn't certain how it happened. Some elements just insert themselves, I've found. But am glad you enjoyed the ending; and Ulmo, coming closer to the mortal lands than many others, would have felt more inclined to assist. I'm strapped for cash, and don't make it over the Sound often right now, but will let you know when I can get that way, and maybe we can go out to dinner or something.

Baggins Babe · 12 October 2005 · Chapter 4: A Message and a Bottle

This was so beautiful and perfect that, like Dreamflower, I couldn't see the screen. I loved so much about this - hopeful, optimistic Pippin sending the bottle in the first place, the intervention of Lord Ulmo, and the bottle being sent back with pictures and Frodo's trademark signature on the drawings. Loved that Sam probably sat there chewing his pen all night and still only managed a couple of lines. For the same reason, Frodo opted for drawings, not words - some emotions are too great to be expressed in words, and he would be unable to really say anything about his life in Tol Eressa anyway. Beautiful story.

Author's reply

Frodo would have wanted to express his love and thankfulness for their sacrifice in letting him go, which could not have been an easy thing for them to do; and that's not always easy to find words for. That he'd have caught the moment he realized that they realized they were doing what was right and that he'd made the only decision which could allow him freedom from the memory of the Ring and its attendant guilt and anger and pain only seemed right for his return communication. Sam finally reduced his message to what he really wanted to say, which was probably best. And as my version of Frodo had basically accepted Ulmo as his patron, I thought he would take a personal interest in making certain that the messages got to their proper recipients.

Baggins Babe · 12 October 2005 · Chapter 3: Gifts and the Benefits of Scholarship

I don't know why I didn't review this story the first time I read it - probably because I was laughing so much! The image of Aragorn sneaking away from the Citadel was funny enough, because we just know there would be moments when he would do that, but the mental picture of him hitting his thumb and swearing in the language of the Dwarves was more than I could cope with! Those naughty young Dwarves, to teach the Twins and Aragorn such things! No wonder Frodo was laughing. Glad you brought in Bodkin's stories, and Pippin's carpentry lessons!

Author's reply

When I first started reading "Discretion" my mind went into hyperdrive just trying to figure out what kind of phrases the dwarves would have taught Elrond's sons, and I found myself with all kinds of things going in my mind. As she began to translate some of them I began trying to figure out similar phrases and think of how Frodo might have been aware of what was being said, particularly if Aragorn said something particularly hilarious. And this was what came out--Bodkin's Dwarvish phrases, Grey Wonderer's carpentry lessons, and a betting pool all sliding into a single story. So glad you enjoyed it.

harrowcat · 12 October 2005 · Chapter 4: A Message and a Bottle

Oh Larner - I agree with Dreamflower - I couldn't see the screen I was blinking the tears away so hard. And I have printed it out to take back to my parents house with me. Hope you don't mind. I don't do it very often as it was costing too much in ink and takes up more space than a laptop. The on-going anticipation and tenseness of the three travellers as the returned bottle was opened was fantastically portrayed. And pictures, instead of words, spoke volumes in themselves (and I imagine the Frodo was beyond writing at that point}. I also liked the way that Sam, given all night only managed a couple of lines. How many pieces went into the fire. I could go on and on about all the bits I liked so very much. Just one question - where does this link in to Bilbo's final leaving? And Frodo's 'becoming'? I notice that you have Frodo speaking aloud at this point. I also found myself wondering how Gandalf felt about being handed a boat made by Pippin? I suspect a small smile and perhaps a reminicense about his favourite 'fool of a Took'! And I would love to see a little scene with Frodo sharing the rest of the bottle, perhaps with Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel if Bilbo is gone. I thank Lord Ulmo and you, Larner for this inspired piece. Now to re-read!

Author's reply

I'll admit some of the stories I've read I've copied out as well, and have put them into my notebooks devoted to LOTR, which includes the screenplays for the films and all. Some by Baylor, Lindelea, Tom Fairbairn (or Chip of Dale, depending on where you know him from), and a few others who have done short works have found their ways to my personal archives, so I can't fault anyone who'd want to capture a story likewise. I'm honored. I suspect Bilbo died not terribly long after they got there, probably the first spring after their arrival on Tol Eressea, as he was already the oldest Hobbit in known history. I think that Frodo's drawing of him was intended only to show the others that Bilbo had known joy and the ability to waken long enough to appreciate it again, and that he was not distressed to go on when the time came. For the other picture, I think he wanted to express his own love for them, and his appreciation of how much they sacrificed in letting him go, how much he KNEW they loved him as expressed in the combination of tears and smiles. Sometimes a picture can speak volumes, and I suspect this did that. At the time Frodo received the boat I suspect he'd have been there but eight and a half or nine or so years, so it was still relatively early in his life on the threshold of the Blessed Realm. Even at the end he could still speak, although I suspect it cost him some effort. But he was already speaking only small phrases. He was in the Becoming, probably, but still mostly in the tangible world; and even as the change continued, because he remained a mortal I doubt he ever went quite beyond the borders of that tangible world. He would have had to maintain a core of physicality just to remain within the bounds of Arda as one who could not be denied the gift of Illuvatar. As this was focused mostly on the relationships between Frodo and those back in the Shire, I felt that going beyond it to include the sharing of the wine IN THIS PARTICULAR story would be a distraction at that point, although we might just look at that separately. But I felt Gandalf deserved that fool of a Took's boat, and suspect he afterward kept it wherever it was he as a Maia considered proper to keep such physical reminders of love shared with mortals. Thanks so much for appreciating it and letting me know how deeply it touched you.

Dreamflower · 12 October 2005 · Chapter 4: A Message and a Bottle

Oh. I am just blinking as hard as I can, so I can see the screen. This made me tear up so. We all, I think, want so badly to believe that *somehow* the three left behind could just *know* somehow, that in one way or another they could communicate just once. I've read a few stories exploring the theme, but yours is the most plausible, the most logical, and the most touching, I have ever seen. My dear, take a bow!

Author's reply

You have me embarrassed, Dreamflower. I know how deeply we want to have reassurance that those we've loved still love us, so deeply we invest in Ouija boards and visit spiritualists and mediums and channelers and so on; my grandmother's fantasies about the visits she felt she had from my grandfather were touching and rather sad, I thought. Communicating via mutual awareness through the White Tree is one thing; but there is a need sometimes for something tangible, and the bottle and its contents symbolize that need, and having it fulfilled. Frodo wasn't yet beyond the bounds of Arda--there was still the desire to have some physical manifestation of love; and I doubt the Hobbits would abuse the privilege by seeking to reproduce it without need. Thanks so much for the appreciation you've shown. That this one would turn out so well after the days of frustration when one section decided to become contrived and I had to go back and start over a good section of the story still amazes me.

Bodkin · 12 October 2005 · Chapter 4: A Message and a Bottle

I like the glimpse of the Valar at the end - and hope they realise that the traffic in toy boats and bottles is likely to increase! It is such a Pippinish thing to do - and a delight to see. I liked the way everything is wound in with your other stories too. And I'm guessing that Gandalf told Frodo that he wasn't to reveal anything about the West, so that he confined himself to pictures rather than writing. A sweet link between hobbits.

Author's reply

It's one thing to share moments of awareness via the White Tree, and quite another to have something tangible and which will remain in ones hand, as these pictures would. I doubt that Gandalf would have warned Frodo not to write about his life in Aman so much as Frodo found that in this case a picture indeed was more than a thousand words. He'd have had to write reams to express his love for them, his appreciation for their sacrifice in letting him go, his realization of their ongoing love for him, his ongoing love for them.... He had but a bottle to send his reply back in, and perhaps it might never reach them. What would someone who might have found the bottle elsewhere have thought about its contents? Words of love are all too commonplace and are often empty; but the pictures of what are obviously real individuals, obviously created out of love for them, would have stood as a testament to his feelings far more than a couple sheets of tightly packed words. So he captured the image of Bilbo sufficiently recovered to enjoy the last of his life before he went on; and the image of the moment when he and they expressed through a mutual gaze their mixed grief and joy that he would again be able to know healing and delight after all. It was his reassurance to them, I think, that they did indeed do the right thing and that his decision was the right one for what he needed. Thanks so much for appreciating this story. I almost didn't post it, for it took me days to get the ending right.

Raksha The Demon · 11 October 2005 · Chapter 4: A Message and a Bottle

A beautiful story! The exchange of love from across the Sea to the Shire is wonderful. I especially liked the notion of different people and creatures encountering Pippin's bottle and speeding it along its journey to the Straight Path, and Ulmo's complicity.

Author's reply

The idea of a message in a bottle going between the mortal and undying lands has literally been nagging me for months, and finally today the last little bits fell into place with it. And I think all within Arda would have watched with interest what happened with this particular bottle; and it would definitely have taken Ulmo's aid to reach its destinations. So glad you enjoyed it.

Breon Briarwood · 11 October 2005 · Chapter 4: A Message and a Bottle

*happy tears* You've done it again...

Author's reply

Thank you Breon, for the response. Glad it pleased you so much.

lindahoyland · 11 October 2005 · Chapter 4: A Message and a Bottle

What a lovely idea to send a message ina bottle to Frodo and receive one back.Also nice to see Pippin's thoughts on their trip and the link with "Lesser Rings."

Author's reply

Yes, a link to the story just finished and to The King's Commission as well, I think. And the idea of a message in a bottle has been nagging me for months, Glad you like it, Linda. Enjoyed your latest chapter, and the attempt with the palantir. Poor Faramir.

esamen · 11 October 2005 · Chapter 1: Thinning

“Well, I found a good place to move the excess lily bulbs to, t’other side of the Hill. Nice shady spot it is, and it’ll be beautiful as we enter the orchard in the comin’ years with the lilies growin’ each side of the path, like.” Oh, wow, this gave me shivers. I saw where you were going right away. Nice, nice work. Gorgeously done. You are a wonderful writer. Your dialogue and pacing is great. I love your stories! Please write more! On to the next chapter . . .

Author's reply

Thank you very much for the kind evaluation. I'm so glad you like the dialogue and that you feel the pacing is right. It is always nice to hear this. And I'm so glad you like this one. The next one is a bit sad, I think, and the third I hope will give you a chuckle. As for the fourth--wasn't sure I'd post it, but some of the kinks worked themselves out today. Hope it is appreciated.

Dreamflower · 19 September 2005 · Chapter 3: Gifts and the Benefits of Scholarship

Oh, my! ROTFL! *wipes eyes* What a thoroughly wonderful tribute! I truly enjoyed that! ‘I would delight for you to apply the toe of your boot to my backside, sweet maiden’. *snicker* That's just wicked, that is! *giggle*

Author's reply

The Dwarve's version of the old favorite, the "Kick Me" sign! Yes, Bodkin certainly started things, and had to work in the Grey Wonderer's carpentry lessons and a betting pool at the same time. So glad to hear from you--it's been too long!

grumpy · 18 September 2005 · Chapter 3: Gifts and the Benefits of Scholarship

I love this story of the runnaway king, if only for a few hours. It was sweet of Frodo to want to build Sam a bench. What a joke for the dwarves to pull on the twins, who passed it on to Estel. Good thing Aragorn does not know what he is saying.

Author's reply

I hope you've been following Bodkin's lovely series of stories regarding this, both in Reflections and in Discretion. She started it all, after all, putting all kinds of weird thoughts into my head that they might have been saying! And now and then I think Aragorn would indeed want to get away from it all--go play civilian for a time; and the idea of the betting pool on when he'd do so had to get itself expressed.

Armariel · 16 September 2005 · Chapter 3: Gifts and the Benefits of Scholarship

I enjoyed! What a cute joke on Aragorn...so clever!

Author's reply

Ah, am so glad you enjoyed it. The idea of the betting pool, Bodkin's Dwarvish phrases, and Grey Wonderer's carpentry lessons were just begging to be combined, I thought.

Kitty · 14 September 2005 · Chapter 3: Gifts and the Benefits of Scholarship

*LOL* That was fun! It's fascinating what Bodkin's little chapter (Reflections 71) triggered off! To be honest, on the one hand I feel quite protective of Aragorn and the twins and want to warn them, but on the other hand it is much more fun this way. And Aragorn is right, it is worth an injured finger to see Frodo laugh so! And I fear even *I* could handle a hammer a bit besser as our beloved King *grins* It was the perfect compensation for the last chapter here - I've only now realized that I had forgotten to review it. This was so sad, to see Frodo do something like this, to see his own part in the quest as complete failure, and I was glad the others reversed it. In comparison this new chapter was very comforting. I wonder now if I should still trust my dictionary :-D

Author's reply

Depression is such an insidious disease, and can destroy us while we still live. But I can see Frodo overreacting like this, shocked at Lotho and Timono being struck from the Bracegirdle book and thinking of himself as being even more of a traitor and doing the same to himself in a fit of pain. This one was fun to write. Once I'd read the first chapter of Discretion my mind started churning out possible phrases they might have been taught by the Dwarves, and when I started actually reading Bodkin's own translations, the old "Kick Me" sign just came to mind and I had to write that one in somehow. Add in the Hammer story and the idea that Bilbo might have been similarly treated by Fili and Kili and corrected by Balin, then have shared that knowledge with Frodo--and there was the story, just waiting to be put together. And now and then Frodo just deserved to laugh in spite of himself! Thanks for the double review here.

Grey Wonderer · 14 September 2005 · Chapter 3: Gifts and the Benefits of Scholarship

Oh, and thank you for mentioning my little on-going hammer tale. I loved that you mentioned Pippin's lessons in the story. Sorry to leave this review in two parts but I pushed the wrong key and the wrong time and the other review was gone before I could finish. LOL Is it any wonder that I have trouble formatting? I can't even review properly. Excellent story!

Author's reply

I'm a lousy typist, and go through my stories repeatedly before posting them--and STILL find typos! I have tried to include allusions to many of the stories that I've incorporated into my vision of ME and the Shire into my stories, and yours and Bodkin's were just asking to be expanded on WAY down the line somewhere. It was a pleasure to work the two ideas together into one story.

Grey Wonderer · 14 September 2005 · Chapter 3: Gifts and the Benefits of Scholarship

Not that was funny! I loved every word. I can just imagine how much Aragorn would need to sneak out from time to time. I love that Pippin and the others made bets on when he would do it.

Author's reply

Yes--when there is no football to wager on, what kinds of betting pools might have been set up? "Let me see, Imrahil, we have you down for a week from Thursday; I give him three days tops, Pippin has given him a week and Eomer has him for a week and a day. Come on Legolas, are you in or out?"

harrowcat · 14 September 2005 · Chapter 3: Gifts and the Benefits of Scholarship

Oh I just loved this from start to finish Larner and the cross-fertilization of ideas between you authors is great. I would end up quoting the lot if I started to try and pick my favourite bits!

Author's reply

Yes, we do start setting one another off, don't we? Now when do I get to read YOUR story? So glad you enjoyed it, as it was fun to write.

Bodkin · 14 September 2005 · Chapter 3: Gifts and the Benefits of Scholarship

Oh, very funny. Of course Bilbo would have been exposed to dwarven humour - he's one of the few non-dwarves we know spent a lot of time with them - and of course he would have warned Frodo of the dangers of taking them at their word when they offered to teach him a few phrases. And Aragorn would probably accept the information quite gracefully at the moment - in the sheer delight of hearing Frodo laughing his head off. What a delightful twist on the Khuzdul cussing gag. Which seems able to run and run! Every time it seems to have reached the end it takes a turn and brings out another delight. And combining it with Frodo's - er - practical carpentry skills (thanks GW) is a wonderful idea. Great story.

Author's reply

Except that I left Aragorn still in ignorance of what he'd actually said, you certainly have it reasoned as I did. I know that Bilbo and Balin appear to have become closest of the group, and figured that Balin would have been most likely to have corrected Bilbo if he was using a phrase improperly or was being used as a patsy in this way. And I wanted to give Frodo a moment of pure, wicked pleasure at the King's expense here. I warned you my mind was going into hyperdrive figuring out phrases that the Dwarvish might have translated to, didn't I? So I didn't go with the nursery phrases as I'd first envisioned, but with another more in keeping with wishing to become a lapdog or kneel naked to perform duties as a footstool--although I think the one in which they begged permission to lick the Dwarf King's armpits has to be the best of the bunch! Thank you for putting my poor brain into a churning madness figuring out more such phrases!

Rayma3 · 13 September 2005 · Chapter 3: Gifts and the Benefits of Scholarship

I just had to review. I really enjoy your stories and find myself checking if you posted something nightly. Your stories always have a calming and happy or contented aura to them. Thank you so much and keep up the wonderful work. Rayma

Author's reply

Thank you, Rayma. Am so glad you enjoy my work and that you apparently liked this one. It's always a pleasure to get feedback such as yours.

Gandalfs apprentice · 13 September 2005 · Chapter 3: Gifts and the Benefits of Scholarship

Larner: Yes, please do leave the story titles at the top! I just found out about "If I Had a Hammer" from reading the other reviews. Now I'll go check it out! G.A.

Author's reply

Have changed that now, Apprentice. Hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

Gandalfs apprentice · 13 September 2005 · Chapter 3: Gifts and the Benefits of Scholarship

Hi Larner I haven't laughed so loud in rather a long while. It makes a delightful complement to Bodkin's series. Why don't you include a reference to send other readers that way? Thanks so much for all your kind comments on my drabbles and such! Gandalfs apprentice

Author's reply

That was why I referenced both Bodkin and Grey Wonderer. Had to work If I Had a Hammer as well as Discretions and Reflections into this one somehow. Do you think I ought to have written the titles of the stories in my reference? Anyway, I'm so glad you enjoyed it. I've been outlining in my head driving to work and back all weekend.

lindahoyland · 13 September 2005 · Chapter 3: Gifts and the Benefits of Scholarship

This was an absolute gem,I just loved it was great to see a difeent side of Aragorn and learn there is something even he can't do ! I also enjoyed a chance for Aragorn and Frodo to be together.

Author's reply

Glad you liked it. Try Grey Wonderer's "If I Had a Hammer" and Bodkin's "Discretion" to find the inspiration.