A Lesser Treason by Jay of Lasgalen

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Periantari · 23 July 2006 · Chapter 3: The Unexpected Moment

I really like this story and am glad that i remembered to go back to it. It's interesting what images Elrohir saw for himself had he taken the Ring. This last chapter was very interesting to see Elrond's point of view about it and i love the dialogue that you have regarding whether or not it was Elrohir's own will that prevented him from taking the Ring. Also, mentioning other Fellowship members and whether or not the RIng would be talking to them during the journey South is interesting indeed. Perhaps you can write a story regarding how the Ring lures LEgolas? =) Great story. I really like it...and i rarely read Elf stories too. :) I really like your Elrohir.

daw the minstrel · 8 January 2006 · Chapter 3: The Unexpected Moment

It must have been very difficult for Elrohir to confess this. It was over, after all. But he was brave to see that others needed to know of the ring's power. Great ending, Jay.

Author's reply

I see the elves as very honourable - Elrohir simply couldn't pretend nothing had happened. It wasn't just the need to warn his father. I referred to this very last night at Imladris in another fic, and it seemed the perfect way to end the story. Thank you - I've missed you, and your reviews!

Bodkin · 31 December 2005 · Chapter 3: The Unexpected Moment

Good for Elrond! He knew just the right questions to ask to make the key point apparent - Elrohir had heard the Ring, been tempted and rejected it. Which requires far more strength than not being tempted at all. But they must all have been desperately worried about sending it off with a load of temptable people in the Fellowship. It gives a whole new meaning to sending Merry and Pippin - representatives of a race that had been seen to stand up to it far better than the more powerful. And Gimli's race seems relatively indifferent to Ring-power - but that leaves two men, an elf and a wizard who could fall for its wiles. And - oh dear! 'this would likely be the last time the five of them would ever be gathered together'. When you think how extremely unlikely success would have seemed - and how Arwen must have known that the four males with her were quite likely to fall in battle before the end... and that they knew that their improbably success would mean her eventual death. Very sad. But Elrond's family is very good at seeing the tragic outcomes - and doing what they must anyway.

Author's reply

When the point was hammered home, Elrohir could see the difference between being tempted and refusing - and the difference between refusing and being prevented. It took Elrond to wield the hammer, though. It was interesting to look at each member of the fellowship and think how the Ring might work on them - I felt that Aragorn, Boromir and Legolas would be the most vulnerable, as they had the most to lose and/or gain. I used the scene of the five of them meeting for the last time here once before (in 'Till Death Us Do Part'). It seemed a good place to end this story, but they all knew that the chances they would ever meet again were very, very slim :(

Nilmandra · 30 December 2005 · Chapter 3: The Unexpected Moment

I was glad to see Elrond talk Elrohir through the difference between overcoming temptation vs falling to it. All are tempted; it is how one responds that is important. I am sure Mithrandir, Aragorn and Elrond, perhaps even Glorfindel at the Fords, were wall tempted as well. Preparing themselves for the moment, but I liked the verse that suggest that knowing it is coming does not make its arrival expected.

Author's reply

I'm quite sure that Elrohir wasn't the only one tempted by the Ring. Galadriel was; Boromir was - who else? I was reading the end of the chapter 'The Mirror Of Galadriel' again, when Sam tells Galadriel 'You'd put things to rights.' That's how I envisioned Elrohir being tempted - but as Galadriel says, 'That is how it would begin. But it would not stop with that, alas!'

Kitty · 30 December 2005 · Chapter 3: The Unexpected Moment

Very good - Elrond reacted as I had hoped! And he saw at once what Elrohir obviously didn’t – the one important point was that Elrohir refused the lure of the Ring at his own free will and not because Sam interrupted him. I am very glad Elrond was able to convince Elrohir of this and to relieve him of his feelings of guilt. My respect for Elrond has risen even more after the way he handled this. He was right, Elrohir fought a battle and won it. That was a very interesting and fascinating plot bunny! A Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year to you!

Author's reply

Poor Elrohir was so confused at this point that he didn't see the very obvious point that he didn't do it. It took Elrond to make him see sense. Thank you for the good wishes - and a happy New year to you as well!

Lianna · 30 December 2005 · Chapter 3: The Unexpected Moment

That was great. Elrond is so wise, yet he knows that even he has more to learn -- thus, his questions to Elrohir about the ring's strategy. And I loved the analysis of how the Ring might tempt other members of the Fellowship. How difficult it must have been for Elrond to realize that diplomatic considerations required the inclusion of a Dwarf, yet any Dwarf who might go would be a mostly unknown quantity. And I can see how the Ring could tempt Legolas; indeed, he might have been second most vulnerable after Boromir. I suspect, though, that after all that discussion, Elrond would feel like punching a hole in the wall in frustration if he could overhear his son's thoughts at the end of the story. When Elrohir says that he "would not fail again," he seems to still be thinking that he did indeed fail this time. But didn't Elrond just spend much time and many words trying to convince him otherwise?

Author's reply

Elrond needed to know everything he could about the Ring's strategy, so he could assess its danger and its risk to others in the fellowship. When I tried to look at it through his eyes, I realised that Legolas and Boromir would be most vulnerable - and we know poor Boromir fell victim to it. I didn't really intend to make it seem that Elrohir was still thinking he'd failed. He'll always blame himself a little for being tempted in the first place, but he knows the important thing is that he didn't succumb. He was just thinking that with his new knowledge, it wouldn't happen again.

Dreamflower · 29 December 2005 · Chapter 3: The Unexpected Moment

Very well done! Elrohir is strengthened now by his trial and resistance; he has faced his fears and hopes, and sorted out the truths and the lies. It was good that his father and brother were able to help his over his initial shock and revulsion at what he had been tempted to do. That is something many people fail to realize: that being tempted is not the same as falling. They are so repulsed by the image of what they are thinking of, that they fail to realize their strength in resisting, and feel guilty for things they never did. An excellent and insightful story.

Author's reply

Thank you! Yes, at first Elrohir was so appalled at what he'd thought, and had nearly done, he believed others would hate him for it as well. It took all Elrond's skill and understanding to convince him otherwise. He needed to realise that it was his own inner courage and strength that saved him - nothing else.

pipinheart · 29 December 2005 · Chapter 3: The Unexpected Moment

Lovely... Elrohir told of what occured and his spirit was lifted in this trial he overcame. His father said he endured a battle and great courage and he did... Perhaps this will make him stronger person.... Loved it!!!

Author's reply

I needed Elrohir to see what strength and courage he displayed in renoucing the Ring, and Elrond was the only person who could do it. I think he'll come from this stronger, and more aware of the dangers of temptation.

TithenFeredir · 29 December 2005 · Chapter 3: The Unexpected Moment

I think the thing I liked best about this chapter was the idea that if Elrond had forced healing on Celebrian, she would have been compliant but empty. In Tolkien's world there is no silver bullet, no easy way to achieve real good. It always requires some sort of sacrifice. That the ring had actually maneuvered Frodo and Elrohir to meet in secluded spot with a convenient cliff was quite chilling. You really created a strong impression of the ring as insidious, unrelenting evil. Thank goodness you ended it on a warmer note, with friends gathered together and the twins reconciled. Thanks for a good read! ~TF

Author's reply

The more I thought about Elrohir's desire to heal Celebrían with Vilya, the more I realised it wouldn't work. Mental healing like that must come from inside - it can't be imposed by another. Also, the more I thought about the Ring, the more I saw it as a separate entity, quite capable of working out that if it could overcome an elf, there would be so much more potential than a mere hobbit. As much as I like angst, I always try to end on a happy note - because I love my characters really!

pipinheart · 29 December 2005 · Chapter 2: Love Grows Bitter

You can feel the pain Elrohir feels as Elladan judges how he should have acted with the ring. He dosen't understand and that pain hurts Elrohir deeper. Elladan should have been more supported no matter what he felt. And then thinking your father would condeme you as well has to hurt...

Author's reply

Elladan will be supportive eventually - the revelation came as a shock, and he lashed out. He will understand in time - but poor Elrohir just can't see that yet.

pipinheart · 29 December 2005 · Chapter 2: Love Grows Bitter

pipinheart · 29 December 2005 · Chapter 1: The Wrong Deed For The Right Reason

You have to feel sorry for Elrohir, he is troubled, and wished things could have been different. Those voices aren't a good sighn, some evil I think is trying to influence him to do something he shouldn't...He should trust his father... Nice job...Love it..

Author's reply

Poor Elrohir. Yes, he's depressed - but doesn't realise that it's the Ring doing it. Hearing voices is never a good thing!

French Pony · 29 December 2005 · Chapter 3: The Unexpected Moment

Great ending. I don't have time to write more, but I did want to let you know I had read and enjoyed it.

Author's reply

Thanks for taking the time. Any review is better than none - and I'm glad you enjoyed this.

shirebound · 29 December 2005 · Chapter 3: The Unexpected Moment

“The enemy baited its trap, set an ambush, then attacked you,” Elrond continued "It showed me such a mixture of truth and lies that I no longer knew what was real.” What a fascinating chapter, and story. I like how Elrond used Elrohir's experience to learn everything he could about the way the Ring worked... and how they evaluated each member of the Fellowship in terms of how this "enemy" might attack them. Wonderful.

Author's reply

Thank you! I think putting it in terms of a battle helped Elrohir to put things in perspective. It was a mental battle rather than physical, but he was able to analyse what it did to him - and could do to others.

FirstMate · 19 December 2005 · Chapter 2: Love Grows Bitter

What a wonderful idea for a story! It's one thing to say "Yeah, the rings try to corrupt people" but it's another to actually get into the mind of someone who's struggling against it. And you do such a marvelous job of describing the internal battle Elrohir wages. It's really kind of unsettling to imagine what kind of things the ring picks up on--all the little petty disagreements, the hurt feelings, the irritations that one faces in life. It could grab onto any of those, magnify their significance, and then...you're trapped. I sure am glad there isn't some nasty ring going around in our world...I don't believe I'd want to see what weakness of mine it would choose to exploit! Anyway, I think it took a lot of strength for Elrohir to overcome its pull and I hope Elrond helps him see that. Fabulous story so far!!

Author's reply

I tried to think what the Ring would be able to offer Elrohir - I don't think he'd be interested in power or glory, but would be tempted by the ability to end evil, heal all hurts, and keep his home and family safe. It was difficult to get inside Elrohir's mind to show the effect the Ring had, but I'm glad it seemed to work!

Dot · 8 December 2005 · Chapter 2: Love Grows Bitter

You really are doing a great job in showing the effect that the Ring has on Elrohir – the internal battle is quite horrifying and you create a very dizzying sense of the images rushing through his mind - and I like that you show its strength in the physical effect on him too. I thought his simple “No” when he makes the choice is very effective. It’s such a pity that he doesn’t realise that this shows how much strength and goodness is in him. Frodo’s trust in Elrohir and concern for him is a nice touch. It makes it all the more unsettling. Elladan’s reaction was done very well. He is calm and a little concerned at first but then explodes – and there seems to be an element of fear in that as well as anger and disbelief. If it can come so close to corrupting his twin, Elladan must wonder about himself, and about those with less willpower. It’s hard to see Elrohir so full of despair and self-loathing. Elladan didn’t really reject him; these thoughts must still be a remnant of the Ring’s effect. I’m glad Elladan shows his support so obviously at the end – hopefully that will ease some of Elrohir’s doubt. And yes, Elrond does need to be told. I think he might be a little saddened but while most people probably like to think they can resist the Ring, he has the wisdom to know that complacency is dangerous. I hope he can persuade his son that in his resistance he showed tremendous courage and strength – that he does not need to feel guilt or shame. This is great :-)

Author's reply

:) Thanks! I'm glad you picked up the dreadful confusion and disorientation Elrohir felt from the Ring - and his final 'no' in rejecting it for good. His thoughts are still clouded, though, which is why he sees Elladan's understandable shock as a rejection. Elrond will also be rather shocked, but he will be sympathetic, and be in a position to help them both understand how the Ring can corrupt.

elliska · 1 December 2005 · Chapter 2: Love Grows Bitter

Poor Elrohir. I imagine that would be a very frightening experience and one that would be difficult for him to understand or forgive himself for. I think Elrnod might have a bit more of an idea of what the power of the Ring is like and I hope he can help both the twins. I love this sort of story though--seeing the reactions of the characters and especially to something like this. I am really enjoying this.

Author's reply

Elrohir's guilt, and the things he saw himself doing, are going to be difficult for him to overcome. Elladan still doesn't understand how Elrohir could fall victim to the Ring, but he's decided that this is still his brother, no matter what. Elrond is going to have some difficult persuading ahead to make them both realise that Elrohir's rejection of temptation is the vital aspect here. So glad to hear that you're enjoying this!

Tithen Feredir · 1 December 2005 · Chapter 2: Love Grows Bitter

Elrohir's horror at his dark thoughts and what he almost did was heartwrenching. The ring twisted his thoughts to things so completely at odds to his true self. It had to be terrifying to almost lose himself to ultimate evil. Elladan's dismay was understandable, but it's good that he overcame it in the end because his brother really needs his support. I'm afraid Elrohir's present self-loathing is just another opening the ring can exploit. I think the hobbits, with their guileless sweetness, created a contrast that made Elrohir's near-seduction all the more scary. Good story! ~TF

Author's reply

Elrohir feels dreadful now, both because of what so nearly happened, and because he listened to the Ring in the first place. And then to think he'd lost Elladan's love and support ... I'm glad you liked the hobbits. Although Frodo had a fleeting suspicion, he can't believe evil of any of the elves, and Sam's mention of supper is enough to distract him. Perhaps he doesn't realise that elves don't feel 'unwell' for no apparent reason.

TithenFeredir · 1 December 2005 · Chapter 1: The Wrong Deed For The Right Reason

The thing that struck me immediately about Elrohir's musings was that they seemed uncharacteristic. Elves are not perfect, but they are described as growing wiser and fairer over time- you would think that little things like who was born first would be completely insignificant by that point in Elrohir's life and the greater issues of family, home and the fate of the world would have already been pondered at length such that much of the anguish and second-guessing would already be at least addressed if not resolved. The way you describe it, the ring must have begun its seduction the moment he set foot in Imladris and at the time of the events in this chapter Elrohir is as yet unaware that his thoughts have been significantly influenced. Then he comes into close proximity with Frodo and the whispering begins. It is so insidious and chilling. Somehow it seems more of a perversion for an elf to be affected that way than a man. It certainly magnifies the impression of what a dangerous relic the ring is and how remarkable it is that Frodo is not so quickly affected by it. *shudder* ~TF

Author's reply

You're right - these thoughts are very out-of-character for Elrohir (although the 'little brother' teasing is a running theme throughout my twin stories). He's not thinking clearly at all. He knows the Ring is present in Imladris, but (a) doesn't think it will affect him, (b) thinks his depression is because Aragorn and the others are off on an adventure, and (c) doesn't want his sister to become mortal. Elrohir has influence and power simply because of who he is, and the Ring is trying to use this against him.

Lianna · 1 December 2005 · Chapter 2: Love Grows Bitter

Poor Elrohir! I hope he realizes soon that the important thing is not that he was tempted, but that he resisted. And I hope Elladan realizes it, too. Somehow, I think Elrond already knows. This a really good story idea. I'm looking forward to the next chapter.

Author's reply

' The important thing is not that he was tempted, but that he resisted. ' Yes - but Elrohir doesn't see it like this yet. Elrond's task will be making both his sons see it. Glad you're enjoying this! I'll post the next part when I get back from holiday.

Bodkin · 1 December 2005 · Chapter 2: Love Grows Bitter

Come on, Elladan. If you think it is easy to withstand the beguiling of the Ring, it's because it hasn't tried you yet. As I suspect Elrond will know. Even though Elrohir is going to be beating himself up over this for the rest of time. It will take Elrond to help him see that knowing evil and rejecting it takes even more strength than living in ignorance of it. Poor Elrohir. I'm looking forward to more. Soon, please!

Author's reply

I think part of Elladan's reaction is fear - if the Ring can do this to Elrohir, it can do it to him as well. His twin's reaction hasn't helped Elrohir's sense of guilt, though - now he feels worse than ever. Maybe the Ring isn't finished yet ... Elrond will help them both to see sense: 'knowing evil and rejecting it' is the key here. I won't be able to update next week, as we're away for a winter holiday (a week in Dulverton, on Exmoor). I'll be taking my laptop though, and will keep writing!

French Pony · 1 December 2005 · Chapter 2: Love Grows Bitter

Here one can see just how insidiously evil the Ring really is. Not only does it tempt Elrohir with really disturbing images that manage to horrify and attract him at the same time, it leaves him feeling horrible and guilt-stricken in a way that very few people will appreciate, witness Elladan's reaction. I have a feeling that Elrond will be much more merciful than Elrohir expects, but that can't be great comfort to him at the moment. I'm glad he's got Elladan at his back.

Author's reply

The Ring is evil. It can use a person's strengths and turn them to weaknesses, and it can twist Elrohir's desire to protect his home to evil. Elladan's initial shock is perhaps understandable - this is his twin; and if the Ring can corrupt even Elrohir, what hope is there for anyone else? He's beginning to see sense now, though.

Kitty · 1 December 2005 · Chapter 2: Love Grows Bitter

Poor Elrohir, that was a terrible experience! I hope he doesn't suffer too much from it - after all, he resisted the temptation of the ring and without someone interfering! And after Frodo didn't notice it at all, he could have kept it secret, but was honest enough to tell Elladan and now goes to tell his father, in spite of his fear of their rejection. I hope he can see that that is much more important than his short temptation - he was strong enough to resist! I hope Elrond thinks so, too, and can convince him of this. Although I wouldn't be surprised if Elrohir will be harder with himself than the others.

Author's reply

'he resisted the temptation of the ring and without someone interfering' That's the important point here - he overcame it on his own, without outside help. Now he knows he has to warn Elrond just how dangerous the Ring is. Poor Elrohir doesn't see it that way yet, though. He's still on a guilt trip:(

Nilmandra · 30 November 2005 · Chapter 2: Love Grows Bitter

Sorry I missed this earlier. It is interesting to think about what temptation there might have been for others in Imladris. The Ring would wish to be wielded by powerful people.. and that would likely include the sons of Elrond, especially if It couldn't have Elrond. I am very curious to see Elrond's reaction to this whole thing.

Author's reply

I think an elf - especially one with influence, and a trained warrior - would suit the Ring far more than a hobbit. While writing this, it was interesting to think what temptations the Ring would use to ensnare someone like Elrohir. I wonder how it would tempt the others?

Dreamflower · 30 November 2005 · Chapter 2: Love Grows Bitter

Oh my! I hope that Elrohir will be able to figure out that it was not his brief instant of listening, but his *rejection* that counts. Keeping on telling himself "It had not happened" is good, but he also needs to *believe* that is what counts. I hope his father can convince him. This is excellent--I look forward to seeing Elrond's reaction...

Author's reply

I wanted Elrohir to have rejected the Ring on his own - not to be interrupted before he could do anything, which is why Sam came along after he'd come to his senses. That will be an important point later, as will Elrond's counsel.