Yay! Finally!
You had me on the edge of my seat when Legolas was in the water being thrown against the rocks. Poor guy, but somehow I don't think he minded if it meant saving the little one and, of course, the big reward at the end. Taryatur's moment with Elerrina at the end was sweet. He is finally resigning himself to the inevitable. I felt for him there. Legolas insisting on doing everything in the most traditional way even if it meant standing on one leg while leaning on a crutch and only using one hand had me smiling. I am so glad to see these two finally coming together.
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First the twins had to arrive - then Nisimalote and Camentur had to have Surion - and then we could have the rescue scene! N&C will be loyal friends to Legolas regardless now - they owe him the life of their son. Taryatur - well, it broke the stalemate. He's known for a good while that he would have to give in, but it took something big to break the dam.
Legolas wants to be sure - and if that means public acknowledgement and all the kerfuffle of formal betrothal, then so be it.
Now it's working out how to finish it all off neatly and tie the bow!
French Pony
· 2 July 2006
· Chapter 11: Communion
Huh. Figures that it would take leaping into a swollen river in pursuit of a drowning toddler for Legolas to win Taryatur's grudging consent. It seems like there is a desperate need for marriage and more kids in that family -- they do seem to have lost their touch with toddlers. A cliff overlooking a deep, narrow, swollen river is hardly the ideal place to bring a toddler on a picnic.
But Legolas has played his ultimate trump card, and he and Elerrina have what they want. I can't imagine that Taryatur will ever fully warm to him -- Taryatur doesn't strike me as the sort of person who can deal gracefully with owing Legolas so much -- but at least he's trying to be civil, which is a marked improvement. He did get one thing completely bass-ackwards wrong, though. Elerrina will not be thought of as Legolas's wife first and Taryatur's daughter second. She will be thought of as Elerrina first, Legolas's wife second, and Taryatur's daughter third. She isn't nearly enough of a shrinking violet to let herself become known only as someone's wife.
If nothing else, she'd have learned that from Galadriel. Now that was a fun conversation to see. A woman whose older siblings are male is so much fun to watch as she holds her entire family in the palm of her hand. Women with older sisters seem not to be nearly so self-assured. But Galadriel knows her father and brother oh so well, and she can just charm them into doing anything.
Author's reply
The rescuing of Elerrina's nephew leading to Legolas taking advantage of the opportunity to get Taryatur's consent dates back ages - it was a pretty early Reflection and one thing that has been inevitable for the first ten chapters. And why this chapter was pretty easy to write - it had to happen that way! Actually, I think I first imagined Surion being somewhat older - but L&E have waited patiently long enough!
Taryatur isn't going to find it easy - yes, he might actually be more resentful in a way because he owes his about to be son-in-law. Oops. Yes, of course Elerrina will continue to be herself. I think I'm thinking of the effects of bonding as opposed to elven parent/child relationships. I think parent/child are quite aware of each other - empathetic, I suppose - but the matrimonial bond sort of detracts from that and replaces it with a much stronger bond. And, socially, female elves seem to do a transfer to their husband's house.
Galadriel long since learned to manage her family. I suspect her mother despaired of her at times! And she has been training Elerrina for a pretty long while now - so Thranduil and Legolas had better watch out!
Thank you, FP. This is nearly finished now - I shall have to think what project to dive into next!
Kitty
· 29 June 2006
· Chapter 9: Reunited
The conversation between Celeborn and Thranduil made it quite clear how ambivalent they felt. For the ones who were born in the Blessed Realm it must have been easier to return than for those who had never seen it to sail at all, I suppose.
Legolas gazed at him impassively for a moment. ‘You will not look so smug in a moment,’ he said. ‘If I am to go now, I need someone to take charge here in my absence – and you have just volunteered.’ *lol* Well done, Legolas! I'd loved to see Haldir's face *eg*
It's quite a new experience, to see the usually unflappable Galadriel so distracted and even weak. But then, it is a great relief for her to sense her husband arriving. And all three of them must have been so glad to know the twins have sailed, too.
but Legolas had assumed that vulnerable look that turned his sister to mush So our Prince has learned how to handle ellyth?
The arrival of the ship was highly enjoyable. I'd not expected Thranduil's reaction to Elerrina, but I was so glad he accepted her at once and without questions. But what a terribly disappointment for Taryatur! *giggle* He surely had hoped Thranduil would forbid Legolas to even look at Elerrina ever again, and instead *this*! *lol*
As for Elerrina and Legolas ... it was probably good they got to talk about this point. Elerrina knows next to nothing about the millennia-long fight in Arda save the prejudices of her atar, and it is about time someone is able to explain to her the other POV. Of course the elves shouldn't use violence, but they had no choice in order to simply survive. Even Taryatur has to learn some day that that doesn't make every elf from Arda reacting violent to everything.
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it must have been easier to return than for those who had never seen it to sail at all
And yet, you know, I wonder if it was actually harder for those returning once they were actually there! They were remembering (mostly) a Blessed Realm from an age of innocence before the Trees died - and they had endured almost unimaginable suffering over their years in Ennor, experienced fear and suffering and death. And they go home - and it has barely changed ... but they have. At least the elves of Ennor are coming to somewhere where they have no expectations. Or, at least, their expectations are possibly low - so the reality has to be better.
Poor Haldir. He does get the rough end of the stick a lot of the time! But he is a good elf - he'll put up with being left with the jobs - after all, his lord is coming! He might be able to give up life as Galadriel's acceptable face of the Galadhrim and go back to the woods!
Galadriel is able to keep a cool appearance in the face of almost anything - but Celeborn is coming! She can feel his fea twined with hers for the first time in about 500 years - and she is reassured that he has not chosen to remain. He is probably her weakest spot - together they make a team that is almost impregnable. I'm not surprised she's flapping.
I reckon Legolas learned to handle ellyth very young. And honed his skills on the maidens of Gondor. But I don't know that this was intentional manipulation! He, too, is flapping here!
Typical of Thranduil, I thought, to do the unexpected - and what could be more unexpected than to accept his son's beloved without question! Of course, he might not have realised all the complications until later - but by then he was committed! And I don't think he would have let Legolas down. He must have sensed his uncertainty and offering unquestioning acceptance was his way of giving support. But yes - poor Taryatur gets to be the baddie again!
Elerrina does need to know more about life beyond the BR and have a much greater understanding of the world Legolas has inhabited - but I tend to think that Legolas (and Elrohir) both bonded with maidens born in the BR because they needed the reassurance of the innocence they carried with them. While Elladan needed someone who knew what the fight had been for and how much it had cost.
Taryatur will get a better understanding. In the end. Eventually.
Redheredh
· 28 June 2006
· Chapter 10: Beginnings
I feel so tardy with this review... working on too many projects at one time again...
What wonderful descriptions you come up with! I especially like ...as weary as a stirring of air on a hot day. So simple as yet one knows exactly what you mean!
Legolas foxy arguments against all E2 procrastinating was great.
And Taryatur! Outmaneuvered by Thranduil! ...not that well before the ceremonies. Might he already know the dire straits they were sailing through?
The sisters are lovely together. And Linvenede too.
LOL! Court is such a hoot the way you depict it. I have no pity for Haldir though! lol 'cause, I like Calisse. ;)
Your vision of the failing of the Golden Wood closely matches my own so I had to like that very much as well. I have always thought the Galadhrim had to leave; not only for loss of the magic but also the deadly destruction that exceeded their ability to eek out sustenance from what was left.
Finrod is good and wise to say a new home would not replace Thranduil's past homes. No more than new people to love would supplant love lost.
Hmm, Legolas and Elrrina have borne so much. Perhaps it is more meaningful not to give in after such determined persistance. But, whose victory will it be then?
Absolutely loved the discussion about the babies of men and elves. ;) ...the ultimate effort to be conciliatory... :D Nisimalote and Camentur are endearing new parents, especially for their lack of experience.
Finally - Go Elrrina! Everyone was actually waiting for you to decide when the time had come anyway. And that slick reply from Legolas about having her along side him in battle was splendidly done!
Ah me, just another great chapter...
Author's reply
I posted at the wrong time of the week for most people - so any response at any time is great!
L knows from his own experience that it's better to offer teasers of interesting things than keep telling E2 that they will be fine. (Do agree. It's very irritating to be cosseted!)
Impressing Taryatur with his kingliness - and adding in a bit of wicked suggestiveness - is being good for Thranduil. It is giving him something to fight and outmanoeuvre - while also drawing him closer to his son and prospective daughter-in-law.
Poor Haldir - cornered by Calisse. I think she finds him quite annoying, actually. In a younger brother way. And there's nothing like the announcement of an imminent baby to get the ladies all excited.
The Golden Wood failed quickly, I reckon. The inrush of too much time and ordinariness was just too much for it. The Greenwood's decline was more insidious - the creeping numbness of the Age of Men silenced it and elven magic just couldn't hold back the weight of it.
Finrod has experienced the loss of home (even though through choice) and knows you always hold places in your heart. I imagine he mourns Nargothrond, even though he is back in his birthplace with Amarie by his side. And Beor and Barahir and Beren - he will hope for an eventual reunion.
Legolas and Elerrina might choose to bond irregularly, I suppose - but they are strong characters and would want it to be an active choice rather than from irresistible passion. And they choose not to. At the moment anyway.
Men and babies - well. It's a different role. And Nisimalote did her best - and as a new first time mother, she is almost undoubtedly seriously over-protective.
Two more chapters. The next one doesn't finish it, but I hope the following one will. Thank you, Redheredh. I hope you like what's coming!
thechevin
· 28 June 2006
· Chapter 10: Beginnings
The emotions of Nisimalotë and Camentur stand in such sweet contrast to those of Legolas and Elerrina who are still unable to allow their own love free rein and are showing growing signs of frustration and anger at thier situation, I felt so sorry for them both, their love is clear, their desire to do the right thing obvious yet their need for one another is growing all the time.
Thranduil was magnificent here, even while still recovering, he is all king and his will, will be done!
Also enjoyed seeing the twins beginning to show some signs of recovery and to hear about how their last years in Middle Earth had been.
Haldir is so funny, he obviously hates what he is doing, but hoping Galadriel might not know what he is upto is a forlorn hope I think.
The ignorance of the people's of Middle earth must be very infuriating for those who lived amongst them, the comments by Nisimalotë show how wide the gulf is between the elves who have never crossed the sea and those who made their lives there.
So we now have the grandchild for Legolas to save good news for him and Elerrina even if they don't realise it yet!
Wonderful
Author's reply
Taryatur is not helping Legolas and Elerrina's situation - but I suppose you could say that his resistance has made them very, very sure of what they want. Nisimalote and Camentur are so happy now - L&E cannot but help wish they could have the same thing. But their time will come!
Thranduil is still worn, but there is nothing wrong with his perception of events - and, in some ways, the more he has to fight something, the quicker he will recover! The twins are very far down - but they are younger and have regained more. Once they start to look outwards, they will find it easier - even if they retain doubts about what is ahead of them.
Now Haldir, on the other hand! He might well attempt to sneak away while Galadriel is distracted, but I don't know how much rope she will allow him.
The Blessed Realm is just so sheltered. The majority of those there know nothing about life outside - beyond hearsay. They know Maiar and Valar - but to them Men, Dwarves, Hobbits, Orcs - they are creatures of legend and they may well have some funny ideas about them.
You've spotted what's coming next! The next chapter was so easy to write - the plot for that one was already set up.
Thank you. I'm glad you liked it.
Nilmandra
· 26 June 2006
· Chapter 10: Beginnings
Many good things in this chapter. I love the birth of a child, something that always seemed like it was probably rarer and rarer in Valinor, though perhaps only as a percentage of the population. Thranduil absolutely shines, not in spite of his debilitated state, but perhaps becasue of it. The descriptions of the twins are well done. Elerrina and Legolas's passions too. Their long courtship may have the added advantage of making them well aware of all the prejuidices among the elven races so that nothing can come as a surprise to them. Thranduil's acceptance of Elerrina also speaks to why she has a better time with Legolas's family than Legolas will ever have with her parents.
Too bad these elves didn't ever visit Numenor though - the elves had a long relatiohnship wtih Numenor at the height of its glory - perhaps that would help them to see the value of other races. And forgetting the humans in in the line of all the elven kings - for Arwen was descended of them all - shows they need more education than they ever received. I say let Celebrian at them. :D
Author's reply
There can't have been many elflings in Valinor really - or they would have all been standing nose to nose. Perhaps opening the lands to the west will give the number of them a boost.
Thranduil is wise enough to pace his recovery, I think. He will learn local customs and find his footing - and then dazzle everyone with his grasp of life in the BR. The twins were very low on arrival - but their native ebullience will help them recover quite quickly. (And lurve, of course.) L&E needed a long courtship, I think, (regardless of Taryatur). They come from very different backgrounds and needed to learn about each other. You're right - Legolas and Thranduil come from a changing world and adaptation is part of living with that. Taryatur's world has remained almost unchanged since the First Age and it will take him much longer to accept the value of change. I think he will, in the end. He is a very honest elf. (Pig-headed, but honest.)
I had a feeling that it was mainly the Teleri who visited Numenor - as they were the sailors. The Noldor who had returned with Finarfin - I can imagine that their experiences might have made them a little more insular and reluctant to deal with the outside world. (Taryatur certainly was.) And learning about them - well, it's a whole different thing. Theory. Not backed up with educational visits and TV and the internet.
Fire
· 26 June 2006
· Chapter 10: Beginnings
Things are speeding up here and I like it.
I find it a beautiful picture to see Camentur and Nisimalotë find themselves with a son. I'm sure that will indeed get Taryatur's heart a little softer.
The twins are on their way to health, hey they have to get themselves away from all the ellith Celebrian will want them to meet. Now that is a sight I would love to see, just how will the twins cope with that ;) It's not orcs they can just kill.
Thranduil still is very much the King isn't he, and I can understand how Taryatur feels at that. It is after all his daughter they are talking about.
I think it's so sweet that Ellerina kept Legolas' glas blob, comes to show you that for everything you could create doing what you do best, it still can be outdone by something you create while you do something you don't know how to do.
The talk between Litheredh and Haldir shows a very good way to get away from the overcrowded areas to a place where the Woodelves can find their true new homes. I think it will not be very long indeed after both Thranduil and Celeborn recover that they will start looking for just such a place. With or without the consent of the High King, but I do think it's with his consent as because he did tell Thranduil: "And, in time, you will find a home here – one that will not replace the Greenwood, any more than that replaced Doriath in your heart, but that will provide you and your people with what you need."
Legolas and Ellerina visiting with the new parents was a nice scene. I can imagine that Nisimalotë thinks Legolas has no experiance with elflings, but hey, she never really knew just how many he has already helt in his arms. I mean come on, he must have helt al lot of them seeing al his human friends having babies.
It must be very hard indeed for Legolas and Ellerina not to jump in to things ;) But I could not help but laugh out loud at Ellerina's last words.
‘Soon,’ she promised. ‘If I have to go to the High King to ask him to override my atar’s demands, I will. We have waited long enough.’
Now that is a good way to give Taryatur a heartattack. I'm not sure if elves ever been able to have them, but I think he could be the first if she did.
Author's reply
Oh yes. Resolution is whizzing towards us. All necessary characters are present now and they are nearly in place now. Of course, I know that - but poor L&E don't ... yet. The twins take a while to recover, but not that long, really - they are very whole-hearted people and once they start to get better they will do it fairly quickly. The twins and predatory maidens - that would be a sight to see!
Thranduil is using his recovery to help him understand this new world, I think, and not being anywhere near as authoritative as he would usually be - but he can see that Taryatur is acting through love of his daughter. It doesn't mean he isn't going to ensure the marriage takes place - and fairly soon - but he can understand the motives.
Those things we keep, tucked away somewhere, because they remind us of a person or a time. Elerrina will always treasure the glass blob - although Legolas would (when he knows about it) much prefer her to throw it away.
The idea of new lands for the elves of Ennor links in with Far Horizons and the rest of my Blessed Realm stories. I have tried to keep everything more or less true to that arc - although I admit that some of the very early stuff has undergone a bit of tweaking to make it fit the more developed characters as they are now.
Legolas is pretty well acquainted with babies - I wonder if he ever met any baby dwarves? - even if he can count the baby elflings on his fingers and toes. But every mother thinks her own little creature is so special that outsiders can't possibly understand.
I reckon that now they've decided they won't wait much longer, it might be easier on L&E. They've taken charge. On the other hand, Elerrina still won't really want to break with her family - so she is probably unlikely to ask Finarfin to intervene. But they won't wait much longer!
Kitty
· 26 June 2006
· Chapter 8: Reaching
How good to see Taryatur *finally* accept the inevitable and to consent at least to a courtship! It was about time!
Loved the conversation between Legolas and Camentur. I had always liked Camentur, and now I’m becoming increasingly fond of him. And it was good to see how much Celebrían and Galadriel care for Elrond. He has suffered so many losses and too early in his life, as Galadriel pointed out and deserves to be happy now. As for their opinion about Thranduil, that is interesting.
Author's reply
He's still going to drag his feet as much as he can! And I think part of the reason L&E will accept it is that Legolas really wants to wait as long as he can for his father to arrive. Not that he is at all sure that that will get him paternal approval!
I am getting increasingly fond of all Elerrina's family - including her grouchy old dad! But Camentur is a good elf - and I like to see bonds growing between the kindreds! And elves playing cannot but be a good thing...
Celebrian was healed and herself when her mother and Elrond arrived - and I think it was just as well. They both needed a lot of care. Elrond trusts her and has opened himself to her as he has to no-one else, really. It's a good thing that she has inherited her parents' strength, even if she channels it differently. And I reckon Galadriel has always given Elrond credit for being the elf he is - he is descended from her Uncle Fingolfin and her mentor Melian (and Elu) and ally Luthien - and she has enough insight to see the remarkable person he is. He does deserve happiness in the BR - and I think he will be closer to it once his sons make up their minds and come home to their parents.
Thranduil - well, he doesn't care that much for Galadriel. (I think she's a bit too political for him - in a masculine way. He prefers his ellyth a bit softer.)
Kitty
· 26 June 2006
· Chapter 7: Determination
It seems Linevende and even Taryatur are slowly but surely coming to terms with the choice of their daughter. To see how unhappy Elerrina is and to accept they may lose her anyway if they don’t agree of her love is a first step in the right direction.
*lol* I wonder what Haldir thinks where the hay for his horse comes from? Does he expect it to mow, dry, bundle and to walk into the barn all by itself? Someone has to do it, and as he wouldn’t be the one if he could help it someone other has to do it. No reason to look down his nose at them.
Nice to see Galadriel and Nathroniel plotting how to bring Legolas and Elerrina together :) And this seems to develop into a didactic play about politics anyway – quite interesting to listen to Finrod’s explanations, too. I can see all this culminating to the events in ‚Far Horizons’.
And I loved the end of the chapter. Kissing just there with so many witnesses ... *grin* Taryatur will be upset, but I am happy ;)
Author's reply
I think Linevende accepts it a whole lot earlier than Taryatur - but he is keeping the shades in front of his eyes. In some ways, his determination that they should know each other and understand the problems they might face is wise. But it's hard to be wise and take things slowly when you know you're in love!
Do you think the Galadhrim had lots of horses? I suspect they didn't have huge numbers - and they let them roam at will, so they mostly fed themselves. Elven horses seem to be pretty intelligent. It's a life style thing, too. The Galadhrim seem to harvest the forest rather than farm it - and other people's ways of life often seem a bit odd. I reckon having to act as Galadriel's representative is very good for Haldir - he is forced to look at other cultures and try to understand them.
Galadriel is in favour of L&E - and Nathroniel is happy to accept L's choice. Between them, they will do their best to see that L&E get their chance. (Politics make such a neat filler - L&E have a loooong courtship - and prepare the way for other stories!)
And you can't get more obvious than L&E's declaration here!
Gwynhyffar
· 26 June 2006
· Chapter 10: Beginnings
I started reading this before work this morning and then had to come home at lunch to finish it. I think Legolas and Elerrina seem to be headed toward an unstoppable bonding without .. erm.. the proper ceremony. On the other hand, Legolas has declared himself master of his domain, so they might be able to resist, but for how long??
I was happy to see HTC (High Thranduil Content) and he was marvelous as ever, despite still recovering and being so worn. Poor guy. I laughed out loud though at his innuendo to Taryatur about how much 'the kids' should get to know each other before bonding.
I'm looking forward to more!
Author's reply
You had to come home to read the end? I'm flattered! If Legolas and Elerrina were younger - or different - they might well do an Eilian and Celuwen, but they can both do self-discipline and I think they'll hang on long enough for the ceremonies. Having decided that they are going to do something might well give them strength. And it's not much longer (in elven terms) before the dam cracks.
Thranduil is wise enough, I think, to take advantage of recovery to learn this new situation - rather than rushing in bull-headed, he is sussing out the situation. And, although it's irritating that Taryatur refuses to fall over with joy that Legolas wishes to wed his daughter, he can see that Taryatur wants the best for her. They do need to know each other .... just not that well!
French Pony
· 26 June 2006
· Chapter 10: Beginnings
Legolas and Elerrina have been more than polite. But they're grown-up Elves now, and everyone except Taryatur seems to have at least accepted them as inevitable. Taryatur's been resisting for so long now that he probably couldn't bring himself to agree to the marriage even if he really did want it. They'd do best just to get married anyway. Preferably while Taryatur is still in the new-grandbaby haze.
Boy, do I know what Elladan and Elrohir feel like. When I finally get a break from school, I just flop right down and sleep.
Actually, it's probably good for Taryatur that Thranduil is still having the arrival muzzies. Otherwise, he would find himself with one pissed-off Wood-elf King haranguing him for being stupid. Anyone whose kid has started to use unfathomable metaphors (her beech leaf hair -- Elerrina has green hair?) to describe his beloved should be commended for being as patient as Thranduil is being.
Author's reply
Wrong season, FP! Beech leaves in the fall! He compared her hair somewhere earlier on to the crown of a winter beech. (He could say copper - but hey, he's a Wood elf.)
I suppose elves have an awfully long time to live with family situations - so they would try to avoid them where they could. Poor L&E have had a pretty long courtship - they are trapped in a timeline that's been around since somewhere about Reflection 10 or so. It will take something to make Taryatur give in though - but something's got to give. (In the next chapter, I suspect.)
E&E are very worn down - right at the bottom of a dark deep pit - but they will get better. They're too obstinate not to - and they have their naneth back, which is important to both of them.
daw the minstrel
· 26 June 2006
· Chapter 10: Beginnings
The announcement of the pregnancy was touching. I loved being pregnant, so this made me all happy to read. But the image of the twins disappearing into the forest's shadows was very strong. You're so good with that kind of thing, Bodkin.
Thranduil is a hoot. He can't seem to help being bossy even when he's not in charge. He's wicked to make that remark about how well Legolas and Elerrina should know one another before the ceremony. It's interesting to think of these elves, for whom history is such a weight, starting to look forward again.
I liked Legolas's claim that the children of men were more similar than different and worthy of love.
Poor Haldir! LOL
Author's reply
Yes, I agree - I enjoyed pregnancy. Child-rearing, now ... (Actually that was fine too. Expensive, though.)
The poor twins are in a bad way - it has featured a few times, but they haven't really had their recovery detailed much. I'm afraid they're getting better off-stage. (I find the descriptive bits the easy parts to do! Those sentences usually arrive first trip through and remain unchanged. Action, though...)
Thranduil is used to being in charge! Oropher's been gone a long, long time - and trying to convince a pig-headed Noldo that he should let his daughter marry Legolas isn't exactly what he's used to.
Legolas has known far more children of men than he has elflings - at least since he reached adulthood. And small, loving and vulnerable is small, loving and vulnerable.
Haldir will cope!
Kitty
· 26 June 2006
· Chapter 6: Two Steps Back
Poor Elerrina and Legolas! They're in a difficult situation - hopelessly in love but honour-bound to behave as if they're friends only! It must drive them to distraction. Well, at least they have both someone to talk to about the problem, someone who understands and tries to help.
You love to torment Haldir a bit, do you? It's amusing to watch him doing things he'd rather not do, always wanting to hide in the woods. The slippery floor of diplomacy is quite obviously a place Haldir would prefer to avoid at all costs, but he does an admirably job there. And now he seems to understand why the ones who lived in the woods before see them as the usurpers. It's easy to see why both sides see themselves in the role of the victims, isn't it? Now I think it was truly inevitable Elrond and Thranduil and all the others moved West in the end.
Author's reply
L&E are both convinced it won't work at the moment, I think - and are trying to deny their feelings.
Poor Haldir! It will do him good to have to act as a representative of the Galadhrim. Help him mature, like a good cheese. And it is so easy to look on problems from one side and decide that the other is simply unreasonable - but I can really understand why elves who have lived in the BR for millennia would be alarmed by the arrival of all these rather wild Wood elves. And only knowing each other will help erode the barriers.
The elves needed more space, I think. And Aman seems able to cope with that by giving room for expansion. I hope all the kindreds continued to work on getting to know each other, though. Or the perpetuation of ignorance might just make for problems in the future.
Kitty
· 25 June 2006
· Chapter 5: Making Progress
‘The worst part of the experience will be satisfying my lady that your appearance does you credit. Believe me – the evening will seem straightforward in comparison.’ *lol* Well, in this nothing has changed very much, don’t you agree?
Poor Haldir – the experience of dancing with various ellyth wasn’t something he enjoyed. Not to mention his surprise of ‚Lady Galadriel’s protection coming in petticoats’. I was giggling the whole time!
Hm, so *that* is the main reason why Taryatur fights a relationship between Elerrina and Legolas so fervently? Not only his intense dislike of Oropher, but to protect his daughter from every mention of war? I don’t know ... it may be very honourable of him, but I don’t think he can do that forever, not with all the elves from Arda coming to the Blessed Realm. And I don’t know for sure, but maybe it would help him to talk with these who fought in Arda for three ages of the world, not only in the host of the Valar back in the First Age, to see them in an other light.
Author's reply
Poor Haldir - he would love to be able to run back to his woods and hide, but duty compels him to dance with Noldor maidens while dressed in fancy clothes!
Taryatur was himself very badly hurt by exposure to war (Oropher didn't help), and he is convinced that all warriors are damaged. Elves were meant to live in peace and beauty, singing the praises of the Valar - and he discovered that elven bodies break in the most hideous ways and that their minds can be corrupted - and, even worse, that they can grow used to killing and look on it as a solution of choice to difficulties. He has always done his best to avoid those elves who have crossed the sea since the end of the First Age - and many of them have settled on Tol Eressea or otherwise kept away from the lands of the Noldor. He still needs to achieve some settlement himself, I think, before he can realise that you can be a warrior and have seen battle and yet remain pure of heart.
Kitty
· 25 June 2006
· Chapter 4: Taking Steps
It is intriguing to watch how the highest ranking Noldor are supporting Legolas, not to mention his love for Elerrina. Poor Taryatur, he doesn’t stand any chance – that much would be clear even if I didn’t knew the outcome. He can't even truly fight the couple in question, much less all the others who tend to approve of the match in spite of the problems.
And it must be fascinating to be able to meet some of the Valar and talk to them. I can see why Aule is so insistent to see Legolas again and to ask him about the dwarves. And I think Yavanna said it quite well: ‘My Lord Aulë has spoken of you,’ she said. ‘He said that you had the song of the forest in you – tempered with a little steel and stone to give you resilience.’ The long friendship with Gimli must have been leaving a mark on Legolas. Well, maybe it is a certain comfort to Legolas to know they are taking an interest in him for an entirely other reason, as he is so frustrated with all the diplomacy and the whole situation. By the way, it was moving to know just *why* Gimli agreed to sail with Legolas, and I am glad to know he is not alone even after his dwarf friend died. Nathroniel seems to be a very nice elleth, and she knows Legolas obviously very well.
*stares disbelievingly at screen*
Now, *that* I had to read twice! Taryatur is defending Legolas?? If that is not a miracle! Well, he may not like Legolas – or maybe despise him is nearer the mark – but he has honour, that much is obvious. I enjoyed greatly how he dealt with this idiot!
Author's reply
Well - Legolas has Galadriel on his side for a start, and I imagine her family will co-operate with her (if they know what's good for them) - and they are probably happy for her to be occupied with something other than worrying about whether Celeborn will sail. Taryatur loves Elerrina - he really does just want what is best for her - and that puts him onto a loser to start with as long as she remains determined that Legolas is what is best.
Visiting the courts of the Valar must have been awe-inspiring! And disconcerting, too, to the elves of Middle-earth, I would think - they are used to being the 'superior' life form of ME - and now they are surrounded by Maiar and Valar. I think Aule would be interested in Legolas - there aren't that many elves who have been close to dwarves, and none of them came sailing west accompanied by one - and Yavanna might well appreciated the blending of some of Aule's favourite characteristics with one who is devoted to the forest.
You made me laugh there! Taryatur hated doing standing up for Legolas - absolutely hated it! But he is an honest elf - painfully so - and he could do nothing else. It won't make him like the Wood Elf any better, though.
Kitty
· 19 June 2006
· Chapter 3: Growing Roots
I'm terribly sorry for not reviewing over the last time, but I was without internet connection at home for seven weeks, and at work there was not enough time. I'll try to catch up.
Sometimes I had wondered how the elven lords could still be so wealthy, although probably a lot of their jewels and other treasures was lost in the fall of Gondolin, Doriath, Eregion ... and they had to pay so many others. The idea with the farm belonging to the house is an interesting way to solve the problem, you know. Though it's a bit ironic, a Noldor King providing a house and income for a Woodland elf.
Not much equality there, I see ;) In this the elves are not better than men. But it is good Elerrina confided a bit in Legolas. And it was fun to have Legolas there once again, no matter if Taryatur liked it or not.
Gimli's legacy to Aule was touching. No wonder Legolas wouldn't part with it! It is truly sad Gimli and the hobbits had to die even in the Undying Lands.
Author's reply
No internet connection! That is frustrating. Fingers crossed that doesn't happen again.
I don't know that elven lords counted wealth in jewels and treasure - although I suppose it had its place in dealing with other races. Land was really the measure of wealth with lords and princes until quite recently. And the power to tax, I suppose. I think a lot of their wealth would be counted more in stored food and goods for barter - somehow I can't see money having taken off much in the Blessed Realm, although it is useful as a portable representation of the ability to pay. I can't see elven lords wresting crop tithes or rents from those unable to pay, either - but the means to support those who don't work the fields or hunt their meals has to come from somewhere. (Let's keep it all a bit woolly!)
The Woodland Elves don't yet have a place of their own - and they live a bit hand to mouth, which would make it hard for them to fund rulers. I reckon that Finarfin would find it useful to have Legolas making Tirion his base - well worth providing an embassy and the means to support it. Not to mention that Galadriel is very persistent. Legolas probably found it easier to accept than Thranduil would - he can see that the advantages outweigh the fact it sticks in his throat a bit.
I think it was probably easier to fit into different parts of society as an elf. Skills would be recognised and people accepted for their talents - but, nonetheless, they had kings and lords. And they would have needed farmers and cooks and grooms and sanitation workers and weavers and others working in every field that provides society's infrastructure. Tolkien said elves were more equal as a society - with both class and gender. However, the need to mention it suggests that probably some people were more equal than others. Galadriel is the only female elf (as far as I can remember) who is really mentioned alongside the males as having / wanting political power - and mostly, I daresay, females could attempt careers, but, once married and mothers, most of their attention probably got tied up in that. That and providing the necessities of life - which is why artists and authors and scientists and so on have usually come from the upper classes, at least until recently. Earning a living inhibited any display of talent from other parts of society. The only thing being that elves have a very long time after they have raised their children to pick up their careers.
It is a shame that Gimli and the hobbits couldn't have at least lasted long enough for them all to be reunited in the Blessed Realm, but it would have been hard on them, I think, to live there eternally separated from all their kind. I think Gimli would have wanted Aule to hold the records of his race. It's a shame Aule didn't go to visit Gimli, but maybe the physical presence of a Vala would have been too much for an elderly dwarf.
And poor Taryatur. However little he likes it, there's not much he can do. Emotions are something you can't fight!
Redheredh
· 15 June 2006
· Chapter 9: Reunited
Wow. What's left to say after all that has been said? Simply a great chapter. Such a wonderful treat to find upon my return home.
I really like this feature of knowing when a loved one is on their way. That is an incredibly useful plot device and you use it brilliantly. Using Camentur's pov for the reunion was equally brilliant!
Ha! Taryatur was thinking just what I thought he would be thinking - depending on Thranduil to explode. ... a remarkably extensive vocabulary. ROFLMAO! That whole bit was just hilarious! ... but her atar wanted her to be a tea sure rather than a duty. I really do love Taryatur; he is so real-live. And Legolas has indeed become: The Wood Elf. LOL!
Interesting little interjection of Litheredh's observations...
..wipe the floor with him! ooo, watch it Leggy...:D However, that was an excellent speech by the prince about discretion, when to use violence, and the cost of freedom.
I loved all the romance in this chapter - every character's affection and passion.
But, is this the last chapter or is there just one more? An epilogue to tie into Reflections perhaps? Please?
Author's reply
Oh no, it's not the end yet. There will be at least two more chapters, I think. Possibly three. It will overlap with Reflections for a bit - and the characters have developed quite a lot since those early Reflections, so it might be a bit tricky. But, on the other hand, they are short, so it might not be too hard!
If elves' fear are tied to their closest family, they must have some awareness (to my mind) of when their kin reach the Straight Path. Unless the Valar run a telegram business to tell people when to go to the quayside. I'm glad you like the arrival from Camentur's point of view - it's new to him and he is not personally deeply involved in it, which is why I thought he would be a good choice.
Poor Taryatur. You just can't count on those descendants of Oropher to behave as you would expect! And he does want what's best for his daughter - but like many fathers, he think he knows better than she does what that might be. It is going to take Legolas a long time and a lot of effort to convince Taryatur that he is just what Elerrina needs! (The situation is probably not helped by the fact that wives seem to go off and dwell with their husband's family. Generally - and particularly in the case of being the king's son. Taryatur won't be on hand to make sure his son-in-law treats his daughter like the precious gift she is! Poor elf.)
Litheredh was left with the job of sustaining the other side of the story! He did a good job, too. And his political senses are developing well - he'll never be satisfied to go back to being an ordinary Wood Elf now!
Not a good idea to appear to threaten your beloved's brother! But Elerrina has been a sibling long enough to know that such comments usually seem to mean little among family. Legolas isn't particularly damaged by the effects of war, either. He has a good understanding of necessity and can compartmentalise, I think - and Mirkwood wasn't Angband, either, although Dol Guldur was possibly trying.
Thank you Redheredh. I'm glad you enjoyed it. And it's not over yet!
elliska
· 10 June 2006
· Chapter 9: Reunited
Wow Bodkin! This was so perfect!
I love Celeborn and Thranduil looking east while heading West and I love their persistent indecision. Poor things--so tired and worn and conflicted. How sad, but very much the way I see them.
‘It may be that we are so ecstatic to be in the presence of the Valar that nothing else will matter to us.’
‘You do not believe that.’ Thranduil dropped his hand to stare at his cousin. ‘Any more than I do.’
‘Let us first look forward to the reunions on which we can depend.’ Celeborn turned to the west. ‘We will deal with anything else later.’
Thranduil sighed. ‘I suppose that is all we can do,’ he admitted.
I loved their whole conversation, but the way it was written, I can picture this part of it so perfectly in my mind. That along with the relief that they felt when they finally found the Straight Path and there was no turning back--that really show, better than anything else, how torn they were since neither of these elves would normally feel relief at having a decision taken out of their hands. I thought you did a great job with this.
Equally perfect were Legolas's and Galadriel and Celebrian's reactions to their return. I definitely believe the elves would be able to feel the return of their loved ones through the bond they shared. And I think the way you portrayed that here was wonderful. How powerful a feeling it must be for them to have such a strong bond (as the one Galadriel's family would share or as the one between Legolas and Thranduil) suddenly re-awakened.
Her hands were shaking. She should have thought of this before, Galadriel reproved herself. If she had kept a bag packed, then… But what if he had not come, chosen not to trust himself to a future in an alien world? How could she have borne century after century seeing evidence of her lost hope?
So powerful! You put so much into so little here.
But nothing can top the arrival of the ship. I love Thranduil jumping over the side to see Legolas (especially after all his doubt). And I love Celeborn staying in the boat avoiding the crowds (especially after his apararent resignation when talking to Thranduil). And of course Thranduil's instant acceptance. Nothing else would be in character for him. That one action characterizes Thranduil so well in my mind. That is exactly what he has done for millenia--make spot judgments and make them properly. And of course he loves Legolas and would not considering marring his happiness. Just perfect.
And again, poor Taryatur. He is so dismayed! But it may or may not be what you intended to show, but in my mind, this is exactly the difference I would expect to see between the elves that lived in Aman and those that lived in Middle Earth--it shows Thranduil's growth. Elves seem to me to be, by nature rather hot blooded, stubborn and resistant to change. But those that stayed in Middle Earth saw much and learned to accept change. Those that lived in Aman, I think, would not have grown in the same way. Valinor changed so little that it would have only strengthened the elves' resistance to change. I think immediately after coming to Greenwood from Lindon, Thranduil would have had a fit over a Noldo in his family--but after all he's seen in life, he's learned that as long as Legolas is happy, that's all that matters. Taryatur just can't make that leap as easily because he does not have the same exposure to things that Thranduil had. I'm not articulating what I mean here very well, but the point is--I thought this was perfect.
‘There were those who returned like that from the War of Wrath,’ he mused. ‘Some who could not endure the power of the Blessed Realm. I know elves who remained for centuries on the Lonely Isle with the Exiles, because they felt too fragile to bear the purity of the white shores.’
But here may be a link between Taryatur and the newly arrived elves that he feels so uncomfortable with. Taryatur himself was damaged by the War of Wrath, so he can understand the way the elves returning feel. Of course it is exactly that remembered pain that he doesn't want his daughter to experience so...
So deliciously complicated.
I love this, Bodkin.
Author's reply
They didn't want to leave - not Celeborn, nor Thranduil, nor the twins. I don't think Glorfindel was so bothered - he was just waiting for the Elrondionnath to be ready. But the time had come when it was go now or not be able to go ever - I think Celeborn and Thranduil both want to hold to the idea that the decision was in their hands, but getting beyond the point of no return was actually quite a relief. Even if they didn't want to admit it.
And once they were on the Straight Path, those long-deadened links to their kin would reawaken. How else could elves be guaranteed the presence of their loved ones on the quayside? Galadriel - I love seeing her love for Celeborn as an Achilles heel; something that turns her from competent and slightly bossy to mush!
Thranduil would, I think, square his shoulders and dive in - and there, on the dock, was his son. Thrilled to see his father, clearly emotionally committed to the girl by his side and dead nervous. It wouldn't be in Thranduil not to want to leap ashore and put his mind at rest. And the advantage that Thranduil has over Taryatur is that the house system means that he keeps his son and gains a daughter, while Taryatur loses Elerrina to the House of Oropher. If she is unhappy, he won't be there to protect her.
And you're exactly right! The elves of Ennor have learned to adapt in a world where things change quickly, but, in Aman, what is the point of change? You can spend a century debating whether to plant a tree there or a few feet to the right and it won't make any difference. Spending half a millennium getting to know your partner is not unreasonable when you expect to spend the rest of time together.
Yet Taryatur's war experiences do actually mean that he has a lot in common with Thranduil - and Legolas and, come to that, Celeborn and the twins. I think it will take them a long time to come to that understanding, though - and for Taryatur to learn that it is not necessarily a bad thing to understand the horrors of war.
I'm glad you are enjoying it. Thank you, elliska.
Dairwendan
· 9 June 2006
· Chapter 9: Reunited
Thranduil instantly accepted her! Perfect! Thank you! I'm so glad! Of course, I could never refuse Legolas anything myself, but it's nice to see the same in others! ;)
Thanks!
Author's reply
Thranduil could sense that other edge to his son, I think, that suggested he had met the One. And his nervousness about it, probably. He must have decided, when he was standing at the prow of the ship, that he would respond as he did. And Legolas must have been so relieved and exultant. His father and his betrothed in one go.
Now all he has to do is win her away from her parents!
Gwynhyffar
· 8 June 2006
· Chapter 9: Reunited
*sigh* I love Thranduil! He rocks! I love that he just accepted Legolas' choice of spouse and I love that he lept from the ship and well I just love him. I really loved this chapter, Bodkin. It seemed very realistic to see the newly arrived elves so exhausted and worn, as they naturally would be, and the mixed emotions of not really wanting to leave but knowing that they had to - for so many reasons. Legolas and Elerrina having to 'hurry up and wait' is kind of sad. Their families need to get on with things so they can... get on with things.
Author's reply
Thranduil and Legolas must have been very aware of each other, I reckon, as the ship drew near - and Thranduil would have sensed the change in his son; his commitment to a not-quite-spouse. He would, I think, accept it at once in the interests of happy family.
In my mind (!) the final straw in pushing these last elves to sail, was that the Age of Men was surging forward and the land had become numb to the elves. Only very few places still responded to them - and those were fading fast. They had to choose: get out now or never - and so they sailed. But it was hard to cross the silent land to the sea.
Legolas and Elerrina don't have to wait much longer (considering they've spent a couple of centuries creeping forward to this point). There are just a few more things that need to happen first to fit in with my rather haphazard timeline.
Nilmandra
· 8 June 2006
· Chapter 9: Reunited
Lovely reunion - very powerful imagery of anticipation and the change they all felt inside. I like that Thranduil jumped over the side, and Celeborn stayed below until the crowds had gone. I, like you, think they likely arrived very weary and careworn. It is time for healing.
And Thranduil kicks butt.. the elves of Middle-earth were so mixed and had learned to get along with each other. Fighting together does that.
Author's reply
The feel of what was going on changed for me in this bit - there's so much inevitability about the arriving ships. Almost like a dance. Thranduil - having decided to arrive - wanted to get it done and have the pleasure of taking his son in his arms. I feel that he was probably very raw and open to Legolas's emotions and would not have even considered rejecting his son's choice of bride. But I'm glad Mithrandir arrived and demanded his attention - Thranduil needs time and peace to help him begin to recover.
Celeborn just didn't want to face crowds right now. His reunion with Galadriel and Celebrian was all he needed to start his healing.
Thranduil's not fond of Galadriel. But I think they both look on it as a bit of a game. Irritating for those around them, but they'll get over it. One day. I reckon he won't have much difficulty with a Noldor daughter-in-law. Elerrina is much more of a conventional elleth in many ways (than Galadriel, anyway) and the patriarchal house system means that he is gaining a daughter rather than losing a son. Whereas Taryatur, of course....
Ellie
· 8 June 2006
· Chapter 9: Reunited
This was so great! THranduil's method of leaving the ship was just great and his instant acceptance of Legolas' love was wonderful! I liked the description of the Green Elves as being seeparate groups by themselves. The love expressed between Legolas ans his lady was exquisite there at the end of the chapter. Such an excellent chapter. Nice.
Author's reply
I think Thranduil is too worn to argue at the moment - and he quite fiercely wants his son to be happy. If Elerrina makes him happy, then that's good enough.
Somehow, I can just see green elves as being so determinedly individual that each one is his own group! And certainly not worrying too much about somebody from a different neck of the woods.
I find sexual tension so much more ... tense ... when it's understated! And they are coming closer to their bonding. Not many more things have to happen before they can wed. Thank you!
Fire
· 8 June 2006
· Chapter 9: Reunited
Finally the missing elves have come, even if Thranduil was wondering if they were heading the right way :)
The way you described the way the elves already in the Blessed Realm now that they where coming was so beautiful, just like the arrival at the dock.
The anticipation of all gathered there was so well writen it was palpable.
I loved Thranduil's reaction at seeing Elerrina, as wel as Taryatur reaction to that reaction :)
This story really has so much going for it, please just keep it coming.
Author's reply
I think Thranduil - and Celeborn - would have remained torn right up until the last moment, not sure whether they were doing the right thing. Looking on it, perhaps, as a betrayal of the forests of their home.
Elves are, I believe, connected to their spouses and their children/parents in such a way that the breaking - or maybe suspension - of that link while one is is Ennor and the other in Aman is actually quite painful. Its resumption once the new arrival is on the Straight Path must have let the other know that it was time to head to the docks.
Thranduil had a few minutes, whilst watching from the ship, to realise how things stood, but I like to think that a lot of his reaction was just instinctive - family stuff ... the beloved of my son is my daughter - regardless. Taryatur doubtless thinks he did it on purpose just to be aggravating!
I'm glad you're enjoying the story. The next chapter is started, but hasn't yet got very far and it's a busy weekend.... But still, sometimes it just begs to be written. More soon. Well, fairly soon!
Jay of Lasgalen
· 8 June 2006
· Chapter 9: Reunited
This is a very bittersweet chapter - the joy of reunion is tempered by the fragility of those who have arrived. The best moment of all? Thranduil's instant and complete acceptance of Elerrina. That was wonderful - and made even better by Taryatur's dismay! I liked Legolas instinctively knowing that his father was arriving - it's nice of the Valar to notify the next-of-kin so they can be there as the ship docks!
I know this is Legolas's story - but I wish we could have seen more of the twins, and their reunion with their parents.
Jay
Author's reply
Very Thranduil. He must have made up his mind while standing there watching Legolas worry - and he won't go back on it.
But they are frail - I have this last group of arrivals hanging on so long that they only managed to sail by the skin of their teeth. It will take them a while to recover.
Valar-mail! But if the separation of Ennor and Aman makes spouses, parents / children deaf to their subtle bonds, taking the Straight Path might well revive them - and the awareness of the presence of one who had been missing would be enough notification.
I don't think the twins can be too present here - they will take over too much. Maybe they need an arrival story of their own.
thechevin
· 8 June 2006
· Chapter 9: Reunited
Hi, I was so happy to see this update and to see that finally Thranduil and Celeborn and the twins have sailed. Such dedication such determination how lovely it was to hear the words and thoughts of Thranduil and Celeborn as they sailed
And Legolas, Celebrian, Elrond and Galadriel suddenly realising that their loved ones are coming
Thank goodness Elerrina had her brother with her and thank goodness Legolas had her with him as he waited for Adar
And Thranduil's arrival how typical of the king to be so aggravating as to accept on first sight his son's choice of wife, of course I'm betting he will have rather more to say when he gets Legolas alone!!!
A wonderful chapter that had me smiling and wanting to know more (subtle hint!!!)
Author's reply
Thranduil and Celeborn - and the twins and Glorfindel - put off sailing for some 300 years after Arwen's death in my interpretation of this world, by which time the lands east of the sea were becoming numb to the voices of elves. To have their loved ones there to reach them, I reckon that those bonds between spouses and parents/children must have become aware of their missing family members - probably about the time they started on the Straight Path. It must have been a very emotional time - I'm glad Legolas had Elerrina's support there. And that Elerrina had her brother! (Taryatur must have been very reluctant to agree to this - but, give him his due, he did!)
If Legolas was aware of Thranduil, it must have worked in reverse, too. Thranduil must have felt Legolas's attachment and his uncertainty - and it is typical of him to welcome his son's chosen one. Of course, he might have his doubts later - but I don't think he'd admit to them!
More soon. Although the next chapter hasn't got very far yet!