Kitty
· 27 January 2008
· Chapter 11: For Beauty Is Nothing But the Beginning of Terror
How disgusting to be kissed by Melkor! *shudder* Poor Námo, this has to be not only horrible, but humilating as well! I was *so* glad when the others showed up to finally rescue him.
Though it may not have been the best reaction to change into a butterfly and to flee, I think it is understandable after all he went through that he only wanted to be as far away as possible. Poor guy.
Author's reply
The entire Melkor scene is quite disgusting and I really needed a shower, both figuratively and literally, after writing this chapter. And I don't think Námo is quite sane at this point and is not actually thinking merely reacting... he's no longer chained, he can now escape and escape he does in the only way opened to him... the nermir.
Kitty
· 27 January 2008
· Chapter 10: Pá Morilattar
Hm ... am I wrong to have a very bad feeling about Acairis wanting to know more about black holes and the like? Maybe Námo should not have told her anything ... And even more important, this b**** has to keep her hands off Námo! Grrrrr!
Author's reply
Acairis' interest in black holes... well, we may discover what that is all about eventually. And at this point I think Námo would've told her anything if it delayed her... er... usual activities with him. In this case, talking is a good thing.
Kitty
· 27 January 2008
· Chapter 9: Rescue Run
Eönwë turning up to witness the oaths makes me smile every time, because it brings memories back of certain events in EI :-)
It’s disturbing to think Melkor did take Vairë in the hope to set a trap for Námo. Somehow I have a bad feeling about this ...
The picture of Námo surrounded by the nermir is lovely! Though Irmo is right, he should come back another time.
And the rest was rather disturbing. They got into the cave way too easy – I knew it *had* to be a trap! And I was right *sigh*
Well, at least Vairë and Therindë are free; but I can’t say I am happy to know now Nàmo is the captive ...
As for Acairis, I have a few very fitting names for her, but none of them is very flattering!
Author's reply
Eónwë does make one smile, doesn't he? Not sure why, either, but from the momment he showed up in Elf, Interrrupted he's been one of my favorite canon characters who frankly doesn't get as much "air time" as he deserves.
The nermir are quite beautiful and a stark contrast to what follows in this and subsequent chapters as Darkness seems to come into ascendancy.
Kitty
· 27 January 2008
· Chapter 8: Mápaina
Sorry, somehow I did not get around to continue my reviews here for quite a while.
Fascinating insight into the relationship between the Valar at this early time. This story makes Námo even more loveable (is that a word?), as he’s not the intimidating Lord of Mandos, but a rather vulnerable, uncertain young Ayanuz. It leaves me wanting to hug him – rather unusual, I suppose ;-)
Interesting that it was Námo who kept so calm during the crisis after hearing Vairë screaming, and who took control of the situation.
Author's reply
"Loveable" is indeed a word. *grin* And yes, Námo certainly is that, at least here. Námo is beginning to show the kind of Vala he will eventually become in this situation. When you're the Lord of Mandos dealing with one crisis after another (think of all those wars and kinslayings he had to deal with just in the 590 years of the First Age of the Sun), you learn to take command early on.
Larner
· 16 January 2008
· Chapter 19: On Constructing Atháraphelun
Hughes drove me crazy yesterday, and refused to allow me to do a review.
Love the idea of the flat Aman and Namo's shock at the idea! (/Me thinks of the Diskworld, Captain Carrot, and Granny Weatherwax, and the pre-Diskworld novel I enjoyed so much, complete with false fossils and the equivalent of a "Kilroy was here" sign I remember so well.)
The poor ladies--to have their work so disparaged. And to have to make do with a small black hole until the Sun is to arise, and an empty place until Earendil takes to the vaults of Heaven to sail the Vingilot there!
Loved this!
Author's reply
I never read any of the Discworlds stories, but I can imagine the Valar planting false fossils and such in their discworld. LOL
You really have to blame Yavanna and Nienna. They let the two younger Valier come up with the flat earth without advising them that it might not be a good idea. I think they just wanted to see what everyone else's reaction to it would be. Well, they got their wish with Námo in spades, I think. *grin*
Námo's insistence that there be no sun or second planet at least initially probably did not go down so well with some, but they weren't about to argue with Atar about it. And it does fit in nicely with the mythology yet does not go against the laws of our physical universe too much. That was the challenge of this chapter.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for reviewing (or should I thank Hughes for letting you. *grin*)
Edlyn
· 16 January 2008
· Chapter 19: On Constructing Atháraphelun
"It's FLAT!!!" ROFL! I think I startled my co-workers when I laughed at Námo's reaction to the initial model of Atháraphelun (my Latin class was cancelled for today and the office is very quiet so I'm reading).
The idea of using the "flat-Earth" as a decoy is most excellent. But will Melkor fall for it?
Nine planets besides Atháraphelun? I suspect that Melkor had something to do with the destruction of the planet between our Mars and Jupiter. Of course, we know what is going to happen to fill the void between the first planet and the home of the Eruhini.
I'm enjoying seeing how Námo is healing and growing (though it's obvious he is far from completely healed).
Poor Varda, she doesn't think she'll ever live down her "failures", does she? Well, her "failures" certainly make the universe a more interesting place to reside. And if she hadn't accidentally created black holes, then building Atháraphelun would certainly have been much more difficult given Eru Illuvatar's decision that the Firstborn would wake to only starlight. But it seems that she is starting to be not so sensitive to references to her "mistakes". Besides, given that they are necessary to fulfil Illuvatar's design, are they really mistakes?
This was a wonderful chapter, meldonya! I'm sorry it took me till now to read and review it. I'm definitely looking forward to the next chapter!
hugs,
Edlyn
Author's reply
Hi Edlyn. No problem. I know you've been busy with the Latin. Hope it's going well for you. If you can master Latin, Quenya is a breeze after that. No, really. LOL
Anyway, I'm glad you got a kick out of Námo's reaction to the flat Atháraphelun. I got a kick out of writing it and coming up with all the solutions to reconcile the Silmarillion mythology with our own universe. Whether Melkor falls for it or not, only time will tell.
Yes, I think Varda is beginning to appreciate that what she considers mistakes Atar has merely incorporated into his own design. Makes one wonder just how our own 'mistakes' are so incorporated, doesn't it?
Thanks for reviewing. Next chapter shouldn't be long in coming.
Radbooks
· 15 January 2008
· Chapter 19: On Constructing Atháraphelun
I really enjoyed this chapter and how Namo is really becoming himself again... the healing is not complete yet - and won't be until he confronts Melkor, I suspect - but it's very close now. I laughed at the flat earth image, but it will be a perfect decoy for them.
It would drive everyone crazy to be making all of these plans and then to have Namo interrupting and saying, no, wait we can't do that because this is going to happen in the future... but I can't tell you exactly why or when!
I'm really enjoying this story and I keep looking for the last of the Valar to show up. I know Tulkas comes as some point to fight against Melkor, but I don't know when that is or if it even says in the books. Anyway, I'm looking forward to his arrival on the scene. :)
Thanks again!
Author's reply
Hi Radbooks. Yes, Námo is beginning to be himself again though final healing, as you suspect, probably won't happen until he confronts Melkor and perhaps even afterwards. I think the other Valar are getting used to Námo's pronouncements, annoying though they may be. *grin* But I imagine he finds it embarrassing sometimes as well.
Tulkas will appear, I promise, though it won't be soon. The Silmarillion does say when he appears and in the Annals of Aman we are even given a date. I have a feeling Tulkas will prove very important to Námo.
Thanks for reviewing. I'm glad you enjoyed the chapter.
Nieriel Raina
· 15 January 2008
· Chapter 19: On Constructing Atháraphelun
LOL! Love Namo's response to a flat world! And Orome's as well. Felt bad for the ladies though after all that work. Glad it will still find a use. Love Atar's sense of humor and how you fit in the mythology of the flat world!
I am glad Namo was able to see he is not ready to speak of his experiences yet and get over his being miffed. But I also hope he will continue healing. I am still fearing his imminent confrontation with Melkor.
I so loved seeing the Valar coming up with how all this would work without a star. Fascinating! Been wondering how that would work. Love the black hole idea. And holding off on the creation of Venus. *grin*
Am a bit worried about Namo hanging out by himself.
Loved this chapter! Can hardly wait for more.
NiRi
Author's reply
Writing this chapter was both fun and nerve-wracking because I really wanted to fit the two aspects of ME (flat and round) together and make them work and make them make sense in the context to the story. That's where Misty's help was so invaluable.
Námo still isn't ready to talk about his experiences, but I think eventually he will and Irmo will be there for him. The confrontation with Melkor is due, but not for some time yet and Námo won't be alone when it happens. His family will make sure of that.
Glad you enjoyed this chapter. Thanks for reviewing.
MJ
· 15 January 2008
· Chapter 19: On Constructing Atháraphelun
How nice to come back after a spell of infection fighting to find not only so much to read, but answers to some puzzles! While it was lovely to see Namo appreciating the beauty of a total eclipse on a world other than Earth, I found the answer to the "flat earth" matter quite inventive, and entertaining. Now, who would've expected it to be amusing? It is refreshing to find that you dismissed neither the science nor the mythology, a rare and difficult task, to be sure. I laughed out loud at Namo's... what would one call it? Confusion? Outrage? ...at the sight of a flat world. Now comes the question as to how the Children wound up there rather than on the nice round world. One does have to wonder why Eru would have insisted the first of the Children must awaken under starlight alone, but it is His creation and He can do what He wants with it. The black hole as a placeholder for the sun is a novel solution, as is the matter of leaving Venus absent until Earendil comes along (so one presumes). Nice to see that Namo's fascination with the dangerous things was not without positive benefit. Bravo!
Author's reply
Of course, you're assuming the Children do end up on the flat earth rather than the round one. *grin* You'll have to wait and see how I play this out. Not everyone will be happy about it, I'm sure, but then, they're always free to write their own version of things, aren't they? *grin* I'm glad you liked the chpater and Námo's reaction to the model. Thanks for reviewing and I hope the infections are a thing of the past.
Misty
· 14 January 2008
· Chapter 19: On Constructing Atháraphelun
Yes, this works just fine. lol I do like this chapter, especially Namo's 'It's flat.' And the black hole works so well with Namo's fascination with them, that I think that solution was meant to be the one chosen. I'm glad I could help. :) I truly do look forward to seeing more of this story.
Author's reply
Thanks, Misty. I really appreciated your help with this. My knowledge of astrophysics is pretty elementary, so I'm glad we were able to come up with a solution together. I think Námo's fascination stems from his still unremembered discussion about black holes with Acairis. He's fascinated by them but doesn't yet know why. Certainly, that fascination has helped with coming up with a viable solution to the "no sun" problem.
Imhiriel
· 14 January 2008
· Chapter 19: On Constructing Atháraphelun
Interesting research project for Irmo, Vairë and Estë! It's not one I hadn't thought about before, but as soon as you mentioned it, it seemed so logical and important. I haven't "osanwë kenta" myself, but I think I have read that there are some things in there that might be relevant to this, too. If you know the essay, can you confirm this?
I have only read 1, 2 of Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels, but for some reason, that model and Námo's behaviour let me think immediately of it and made me laugh out loud - and I wouldn't have been surprised to see if Námo looking at the underside had discovered he was looking at a turtle... *g*! Námo's repeated "But it's flat!" was too funny!
And the discussion afterwards where they are seriously contemplating the possibility of it! Just a little bit of poking fun at some of Tolkien's concepts? Very fitting in the context of this story, I find. And to then find such a neat solution to reconcile it and make it make sense - chapeau! I wish we could somehow know whether Melkor finds out someday how all his destruction has been taken into account and all he does is destroy some deliberate diversions and play right into the others' (and Eru's) hands...
I would never have thought (before I began following this story) that I could be so highly entertained by a chapter where there was so much technical discussion about matters that generally go over my head *g*!
Author's reply
I have indeed read (and re-read) the essay and in it Tolkien does mention the difficulty of communication by thought when one is in hröa and does say something to the effect that the Maiar were more inclined to ädopt hröar more easily than the Valar and remain in them longer to the point where it becomes so habitual they can no longer leave that shape, like Morgoth.
I was sorely tempted to have turtles holding up the flat world but decided that would stretch readers' incredulity to the limit. LOL
As for the discussion afterwards.... well, I really did need to reconcile the two models in some way. Perhaps Melkor will learn of his folly at some point in time though I doubt it will do any good.
I'm glad you found the chapter entertaining in spite of the technical jargon. I tried to keep it as simple and as clear as possible, knowing that I was grossly oversimplifing the mathematics and physics, but since this is really fantasy and not an astrophysical treatise, I figured it didn't matter too much. Anyway, thanks for reviewing.
eiluj
· 13 January 2008
· Chapter 19: On Constructing Atháraphelun
Oh, this was fun!
"But it’s FLAT! " Námo practically screamed -- I attended quite a few library meetings like that....
Vána looked uncertain. "Were we supposed to design the entire system?" -- She was at some of those meetings also.
I’d been wondering for quite awhile how you were going to account for the flat Atháraphelun and the lack of the Sun and Moon. I hadn’t really thought about Venus.
Aulë frowned, obviously intrigued by Irmo’s questions. "Well, it would require a major overhaul of the laws of physics as we have set them up," he admitted, "but it could be done, just not very easily" -- So does that mean they have to change the laws of physics for all of Eä, or just in Atháraphelun’s vicinity?
It sounds like the round Atháraphelun is going to meet with an accident. And the Tenth Planet too (unless they’re counting one of the worlds beyond Pluto).
I’m imagining the disbelieving hilarity of Melkor and his followers when they receive the first report of the flat world.
And more astronomical oddities for you:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7104558.stm “Earth’s Moon a Cosmic Rarity” -- Formed in a catastrophic collision: sounds like Melkor et al were involved....
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/071025-cosmic-defect.html “Defect Suspected In Fabric of Space-Time”
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/spitzer/news/spitzer-20071025.html “Missing Black Hole Report: Hundreds Found!” -- I’m not sure whether to blame Melkor for having hidden them or congratulate him for having found (hoarded?) that many, or whether I should worry because there are apparently so many more in existance than we knew about, or what. “Their discovery implies there were *hundreds of millions* of additional black holes growing in our young universe” -- and I was worried about the mere *hundreds* in the title?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7181927.stm “Rogue Black Holes Prowl Milky Way” -- It just gets worse and worse.
http://space.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7564 A ring around the star Fomalhaut, which does indeed look like the Eye of Sauron.
Author's reply
PLEASE! I have enough plot bunnies for this tale without you adding to the mix. LOL But thank for the links. Some light reading when I haven't anything better to do.
Anyway, I really had fun with this chapter trying to integrate the flat/round world dichotomy that is inherent in Tolkien's mythology. You will have to wait and see how I go on from here. Hopefully, what I end up doing will be acceptable to most, if not all, readers, since I know I can't please everyone.
Glad you so enjoyed reading this chapter. Thanks for reviewing.
Nieriel Raina
· 6 January 2008
· Chapter 18: Redeeming the Oath
YAY! Another chapter!
-- the "Red Star Incident". --
LOL! I love the occasional phrases that are almost reminiscent of Star Trek or Star Wars. *grin*
As sad as it was to see Námo relive those memories and strike out against his own, and to see him so downhearted, here we begin to see him mature again.
-- The thought of ever hating their lord was so alien to Námo’s Máyar that none of them could respond adequately to Manwë’s words. --
I just love the loyalty and faithfulness of these Mayar!
-- "I fear that our younger brother must eventually face Melkor again or he will never be free of our Fallen Brother’s hold on him." --
Yea, I’ve known this for some time, and am dreading it, but also preparing to cheer! For only in another confrontation, this time victorious, can we see the future confident Námo begin to emerge. I suppose I’ll keep my blankey and my new wolfie (gift from Nina) close by. *pats wolf* His name is Tulkas. *smile* Fitting, no?
I can’t help but wonder at the significance of the eclipse here. And I do wonder how you will marry your portrayal of the universe here (complete with solar systems) with Arda under the stars only and the sun and moon only coming later.
So glad to see Námo finally remember Vairë, and see her return and redeem her people. These two still have a long way to go, but maybe now, they can find some healing in each other.
Another fabulous chapter! I really am enjoying this story greatly. Thank you!
NiRi
Author's reply
There are bound to be setbacks in Námo's healing (as there are in all healings) and we see that here. Still, the experience does open the door to greater maturation on his paqrt, which is all to the good. His Máyar are fiercely loyal to him, perhaps because they probably are looked down upon by some of the other Máyar (being fewer in number than the others who have taken allegiance with one of the other Ayanumuz). At any rate, that loyalty will help Námo come to terms with himself and claim the Lordship that is his by right.
I think Tulkas is a perfectly apt name for your wolfie. LOL
As for the eclipse... I think we're seeing the beginnings of where Námo comes up with the idea for his personal emblem of the Sun-in-Eclipse. As for the how I plan to integrate Arda under the stars only with the physical universe as we know it today.... you'll find out soon enough. *grin*
Glad you enjoyed this chapter and are enjoying the story overall. Thanks for reviewing.
Nieriel Raina
· 6 January 2008
· Chapter 17: Adjustments
Better late than never right? I hope this lets me review this time!
--*He will never be the same as before, child,* he felt Manwë bespeak him with compassion, *but he will still be your lord and you and your brethren must take comfort in that thought.* --
I found this very sad, and yet....I can’t help but think of myself and my own personal hell of the past years. Like Námo, I will never be the same as before, but that doesn’t have to be just a bad thing. Without pain, growth never comes, and I wouldn’t go back if it were offered to me. The lessons learned, the character developed, far outweigh the innocence lost. Or perhaps not so much innocence as naivete? If that makes sense?
-- "What about Vairë? She knows nothing of quantum mechanics or interdimensional physics." –
Other than weaving, what are Vairë’s gifts? Seriously. Other than putting up with Námo, I mean. *GRIN*
-- "And you are just as beautiful, brother," he said firmly, "else the nermir would not have accepted you amongst them, for they are Beauty personified and will not suffer anything that is not beautiful in their midst." --
Oh, this was so moving. I am so glad Irmo was sensitive to his brother and reassured him of his own beauty!
-- "What you feel and what you are are not always the same thing, child." --
This is one of those statements that pierced me.
-- "Remember what I told you, Námo," Manwë said firmly, attempting to stave off the coming storm, "about placing you among the Máyar." --
Yikes! What an attention grabber! And in front of Námo’s people too! Worked though. Loved Maranwe’s response though. I really feel for he and the read of Námo’s Mayar here. Great bonding time to rest with him. I thought it great fun that they eventually got into the spirit of Námo’s play! LOL!
But throughout this chapter, while Námo is healing, it is still hard to see him so lost and confused at times. His hesitancy is so out of character, yet not all considered. When he struck out at his people and Irmo... wow. There is just so much foreshadowing through all of this of Námo’s role later as the comforter of spirits. Again, it’s amazing how circumstances we go through shape us, and only through them, do we come to be empathetic to others going through such things. Six or seven years ago, I could not comprehend why some people acted in certain ways when in severe emotional pain. Now, I understand all too well. And I can see it in Námo too, which makes this fic hit so very close to home at times. But that isn’t a bad thing.
Námo’s realization of what he had done was especially heartbreaking. And also, again, such foreshadowing. I’m thinking especially of the Reborn and their memories showing up unexpectedly during the Tournament in Elf, Interrupted. I can understand his response to them so much better for this story. Kudos to you for fleshing this all out so well!
-- Varda smiled, then her eyes glinted with mischief and before Manwë could avoid it, she was pushing him into the surf. He came up sputtering and laughing and went to grab her. When he finally did catch up with her on one of the beaches of a small island in the middle of the ocean, it was because she wanted to be caught. After that, all thoughts of Námo and their concerns for him fled as they enjoyed each other’s company. --
Have I told you how well you write this subtle romance stuff? *happy sigh*
Great chapter!
NiRi
Author's reply
We are all the product of our experiences, good and bad. As painful as the bad experiences are, they give us depth of character (usually) that good experiences don't always give, so while we hope never to lose our innocence, we definitely need to lose our naiveté in order to mature and this is what has happened to Námo, bit time, yet given his future role he will need this more than any of the other Valar.
Irmo's response to Námo's self-doubts was just right for the situation. And as Manwë says, "what we feel and what we are aren't always the same". Our feelings about ourselves are prejudicial, usually in a negative way, and usually different from how others perceive us. Námo's feelings of worthlessness are conditioned by his experiences, or what he remembers of them, and thinks that others feel the same way towards him as he does towards himself. This is wrong thinking of course, but Námo isn't in a position yet to realize this which is why Irmo and Manwë set out to tell him differently.
All this, of course, as painful as it is, will stand Námo in good stead when he has to deal with the broken fëar of Elves and Men within the Halls of Mandos.
Have I told you how well you write this subtle romance stuff? *happy sigh*
Hey! what can I say? I'm a romantic kind of guy. LOL
Glad you liked the chapter. Thanks for reviewing.
Imhiriel
· 6 January 2008
· Chapter 18: Redeeming the Oath
I think you described the gradual development (both progress and setbacks) of Námo's recovery very well.
"And he must begin to guard himself," Varda added. "I fear that our younger brother must eventually face Melkor again or he will never be free of our Fallen Brother’s hold on him."
Biting fingernails in anticipation and sympathy...
And more incentive for my "fangurling" of Maranwë *g*...
I enjoyed the ceremony of transfering the allegiance of the Máyar back to Vairë, especially that mix of formality, endearing awkwardness on all sides, and the confidence shining underneath it despite it all.
Author's reply
Hi, Imhiriel. Námo's progress is a matter of two steps forward and one step back, but it's progress nonetheless. And we all know that the confrontation between Melkor and Námo has to happen (or there's no real point to this story, is there? *grin*). Happily, it will not be for some time yet, so we can all relax (sort of).
I'm glad you like Maranwë. He's one of my favorite OCs too and I enjoy writing about him in my other stories as well. And I'm happy to know that you also enjoyed the ceremony. It is indeed a mixture of formality, endearing awkwardness and a hint of Námo's confidence and lordliness which he is slowly but surely beginning to reclaim for himself. Thank you for reviewing.
Radbooks
· 3 January 2008
· Chapter 18: Redeeming the Oath
Oh, so finally Namo remembers Vaire! Hopefully, some of the other memories will follow soon. Well, I suppose those won't be pleasant but I know it has to happen for full healing to take place. Though I shuddered when Varda mentioned that he'll have to face Melkor again. Of course he will, but oh, I dread that scene. (Good lord, you'd think these were real people! :)
I liked the ceremony where the Mayar were returned to Vaire. That Namo had to come up with it himself was good because it seemed like it would make him more Lordly in the eyes of the Mayar who might have been wondering about him - not his own people who seem to love him without question, but I just wondered about the others. It was moving, especially where the one knelt before Namo one last time and everyone else followed and then it opened up more memories.
Thanks for sharing!
Author's reply
Hi Radbooks. We all know that there has to be at least one more confrontation between Námo and Melkor. I don't look forward to writing it myself, but I know it's something that will have to be done. Anyway, it's like a soap opera, isn't it, thinking these characters are real people? LOL Yet, who's to say they aren't? Certainly they seem more real to me than many of the people I meet in daily life.
I'm glad you liked the ceremony. I think the way Námo came up with it helped others, especially the Máyar of the other Ayanumuz, to see him as Lordly, in spite of what has happened. Námo is beginning to reclaim his standing within their society and this ceremony was an important milestone for him in his recovery of himself.
Thanks for reviewing!
Larner
· 3 January 2008
· Chapter 18: Redeeming the Oath
Ah, it's good to see the memories returning, and indeed the families restored. Now, to see him remembering his attraction to Vaire.
Author's reply
Yes, the memories are slowly but surely returning and families are restored. I'm sure Námo will remember his attration to Vairë eventually, if not as quickly as Vairë would like.*grin* Thanks for reviewing, Larner.
Alquawende
· 3 January 2008
· Chapter 18: Redeeming the Oath
I loved the ceremony part. It's very creative and it shows perfectly how Namo felt during it. The part where Vaire embraces her people is just such a perfect scene to end the chapter. This chapter though shows that you are very good at showing the emotions of characters, specifically Namo. His fears are perfectly shown, not told. Thanks for writing!
Author's reply
Hi, Alquawendë. I'm glad you liked the ceremony of redemption. And I'm glad you think I'm good at showing, not just telling, the emotions of my characters. It's not easy to do and I'm sometimes never sure if I'm getting it right. I appreciate it when a reader tells me that I have indeed gotten something right. Thanks for reviewing.
Alquawende
· 22 December 2007
· Chapter 17: Adjustments
Enjoyed! Can't wait for more. The part where it was told that Este gave Namo's mayar lectures was funny. Thanks for writing!
Alquawende
Author's reply
Thanks, Alquawendë. I'm glad you enjoyed this chapter especially the part about Námo's Máyar fearing one of Estë's lectures. *grin*
Larner
· 22 December 2007
· Chapter 17: Adjustments
Melkor was a royal pain in the patoot! Poor Namo, with a flashback near the red dwarf. Now, to find healing again.
Author's reply
That he was, dearie, that he was, but Námo will be the better and the stronger for what has happened to him. In the end, Melkor loses... and that's a good thing.
Tira
· 22 December 2007
· Chapter 17: Adjustments
*g* ypu write our favourite vala with such....life. really makes you feel for his predicament.
Author's reply
Thanks Tira. I'm glad you are finding Námo a sympthetic character. It's what I am aiming for. *grin*
MJ
· 22 December 2007
· Chapter 17: Adjustments
Ah, very good! As you well know, I've felt that in order to truly grow into his role among the Children, Namo would need to experience for himself as much as it was possible for him to experience of death, loss, violation, etc., and this you have done (or are doing, as we now see). It parallels quite nicely the progress of rebirth and it pains and problems that you are showing in "Elf, Interrupted" -- in some ways, they make excellent companion pieces. The growth and development of Namo provides insights into the motivations of the Valar as regards the reborn, and I look forward to seeing more of this process. It also makes me smile to see how Eru's words to Melkor -- telling him how in the end, all would be shown to be but a part of His greater Music -- are being played out (though I'm quite sure Melkor is completely blind to it). One can also see in this the roots of Manwe's future remark, that evil will be good to have been (and yet remain evil, as Namo will so appropriately point out). Without Melkor, Namo would not be the Namo we know. An excellent interpretation!
Author's reply
Thanks, MJ. This is pretty much what I've tried to convey in this story about Námo's ultimate role as Lord of Mandos. There is no Mandos at this point in time, so why would he even know or care about what the Children will experience? Having undergone a similar experience himself and having his own Máyar undergo the experience of caring for one who is "damanged" can only help when the Children come to him in Mandos.
Imhiriel
· 21 December 2007
· Chapter 17: Adjustments
Is Námo aware that his Máyar can hear his conversation with Irmo? A la: I can't bear speaking with them myself, but they can hear what has been happening to me...
"And you are just as beautiful, brother," he said firmly, "else the nermir would not have accepted you amongst them, for they are Beauty personified and will not suffer anything that is not beautiful in their midst."
Oooooh, I love it! If at all possible, I'd like to have more scenes with the butterflies...
"We are that glad of thy return, Lord, for none of us wished to be on the receiving end of one of Lady Estë’s lectures."
This is very funny, especially when taking in conjunction with the archaic forms of address.
Irmo gently rocked the core to help his brother relax while Námo’s Máyar stood around and sang him to sleep.
So, now they even have stars functioning as rocking cradles?
Is Vairë still recovering with her Máyar and with Nienna? If so, I suspect that it would not be good for either her or Námo to meet yet.
Author's reply
I'm not sure Námo is fully aware of anything at this point except for immediate need. Perhaps the butterflies will show up in future chapters. They are too beautiful not to. *grin*
>>So, now they even have stars functioning as rocking cradles?<<
LOL! More like my explanation of Cepheid variables, but hey! whatever works, right?
No, now is not a good time for either Vairë or Námo to meet yet, though that time is soon. In fact we will see it in the next chapter.
Nikara
· 21 December 2007
· Chapter 17: Adjustments
It is so cool to see everyone eventually learning their roles. The Mair are certainly learning to deal with damaged souls, and are especially relearning the importance of play. Nice chapter!
Author's reply
Thanks, Nikara. I'm glad you liked this chapter. Yes, Námo's Máyar are slowly learning the skills they will need when they are ministering to the fëar of Elves and Mortals.
Imhiriel
· 12 December 2007
· Chapter 16: Námo's Homecoming
I'm uncertain how to "judge" Manwë's threat to get Námo to leave - on the one hand, I find a rather harsh case of (emotional) blackmail, on the other, I hope it was just a wake-up call to get Námo's undivided attention and to make him realise that he doesn't really want to be all alone, and that Manwë wouldn't really have gone through with his threats.
I love that Námo's first feeling on returning is his joy at the life in the "normal" dimension.
My respect to Varda! It was very gracious and wise of her to be the first to welcome him back (especially in light of their former disagreements), and to emphasise that he is needed.
"Why don’t you go with your Máyar and let them tell you what they’ve been up to while you were gone?"
For some reason, this line seemed very important to me, or rather the way Manwë phrased his suggestion. It is somehow a mix between reminding Námo that he is the master of his Máyar, and at the same time, "what they've been up to" sounds like he is describing children's mischief, in keeping with Námo's still evident regression. I find a very wise, gentle, and insightful "tactic".
The end of the chapter had me giggling out loud: Námo hopping between the two dwarf stars seems like a kid in a candy store with just enough pocket money for one of the two treats he is eyeing with longing...
while one had a more comfortable core (whatever that meant)
That's what I'm wondering, as well *g*...
I've always had a soft spot for Maranwë from your other stories, and his behaviour here especially in this chapter has only increased it; both his steadfast and caring loyalty, and his jest at the end that shows some affinity with his lord.
Author's reply
Manwë's words to Námo were both a wake-up call for Námo about his responsibilities in Eä, especially to his own Máyar, but also a serious threat. If Námo had chosen to remain in the tenth dimension, Manwë would have carried out the threat as promised. He would, in fact, have had no choice. That is not to say that had that happened, Námo would not eventually be "promoted" to Vala status at some point, but he would have had to prove himself worthy of the status. Luckily for all of us, that scenario didn't materialize, but it was a close thing. So it wasn't a case of emotional blackmail but the reality of the situation and Námo had best deal with it and the consequences of his choices.
Manwë is beginning to learn how to deal with Námo on several levels, especially on the level of a parent. His approach to Námo is very cautious, but at the same time he won't let Námo get away with too much. Reminding him about his responsibilites towards his Máyar in this manner make it nontrheatening for Námo to deal with those under his lordship when he is unsure about his worthiness to even be responsible towards others.
The end of the chapter is one of my favorite scenes, and your comparison is very apt. I'm glad you like Maranwë. He's one of my favorite OCs and I think you can see in this chapter why Námo made him his Chief Maia and depends on him so much.