obsidianj
· 16 August 2015
· Chapter 62: Spiraling Rhetoric
Great chapter. And the smell! Brrr. I can imagine how much worse it is for Aragorn now once he bathed and is clean. Gollum is a piece of work. Loved the way Aragorn pieced together some information out of all the inane babble of Gollum. Although it is not much.
Author's reply
Thank you for the lovely review yet again! Yes, I'm sure it is worse for Aragorn now: he's no longer acclimatized to it, and they're in a MUCH more enclosed environment, and he had actually dared to hope that he had left all that behind him.
Piecing together this story must have been an epic struggle!
Marianel
· 16 August 2015
· Chapter 64: Conflagrations and Conjurations
I can see them infront of me and even imagine Gollums smell and it isnt candy and roses!
You scared me with Gandalf but it was fantastic and a mighty picture you draw of him. Im thinking about what Gollum would say to me if I talked to him. Probably hateful manses would be what I should learn.I can feel myself losing patience indeed hahaha!I look forward to your story and even if I forget to review now and then be sure I always read it. Take care! / Marianel /Sweden
Author's reply
Thanks! I'm glad that it's coming across so clearly. And don't worry: even Aragorn was just a *little bit* scared of Gandalf in that moment. ;-)
Sigh. Yes, probably 'hateful manses' and all manner of other things. I know I wouldn't be able to be nearly as patient as our heroes. Even writing him is exhausting!
Thank you for the delightful feedback, as always. You're so very kind.
shirebound
· 15 August 2015
· Chapter 64: Conflagrations and Conjurations
The way you're fleshing out this encounter between Gandalf and Gollum is simply amazing.
'Once begun such roads cannot end save in success or death, for the cost of abandoning them is too high to bear.'
'I do not lay these tests for myself,' said Aragorn. 'I merely meet them with what fortitude I have and bear through them as best I may, as I hope I will find the courage to do when the greatest test is upon me.'
Through this courage and nobility he earned his kingship, and no mistake.
Author's reply
Thank you! Tolkien was brilliant to pit these two against each other, and recreating that dynamic is a fascinating and sometimes troubling process.
And 'earned his kingship' may just be the most elegantly truthful phrase I've ever heard turned upon Aragorn. Earned it indeed he did!
Aromene
· 15 August 2015
· Chapter 64: Conflagrations and Conjurations
*claps* Bravo! *claps* I think that was one of your best chapters. Thoroughly enjoyed the build towards the finale and Aragorn and Gandalf's interactions. Well done.
Author's reply
Oh, thank you! That's a wonderful thing to hear about a narrative climax. I'm glad that you liked it, and the earlier interactions as well. Cheers!
Aranadhel
· 12 August 2015
· Chapter 63: Fishing
Suilaid mellon. Aran here again. I am loving your updates on this favourite story of mine.
I know I am a few chapters late but I just want to say I am intrigued by the character you created called Calmiel, the Noldo elleth from Imladris. I am a sucker for Noldor elves and I just want to say I love your Noldor elves inventions. Another name which you brought up was another female Noldo (starts with F). She appeared in that story when Thorin & co were visiting Imladris. She was coaxing Gilraen or something. Can't wait to see you write more of the Imladris elves!
Author's reply
Thank you so much! I'm delighted to know you're enjoying it. I'm tickled, too, that you like Calmiel! I suppose I haven't really addressed how she came to be a Marchwarden in Lórien, having once ridden in Elrond's guard. She doesn't stay after the assault on Dol Guldur: that's all I can say here! The other Noldorin lady was Faeliel, Calmiel's sister and the healer who had to amputate the leg of Gilraen's cousin because Elladan's arm was incapacitated. It's lovely to know that you're interested in these ladies. I always love to write of Imladris, and I do not doubt I will tarry there again. ;-)
shirebound
· 12 August 2015
· Chapter 63: Fishing
He and Gandalf might have kept the arts of Mordor from this cell, but they flourished in the prisoner’s mind.
Whatever his motives and actions, you really have to feel sorry for Gollum. Your dialogue for him is absolutely spot-on.
I love the little details in this story, such as "the wholesome cleanness of the cloth..." Such a treat for any Ranger!
Author's reply
Alas, yes: you DO have to feel sorry for Gollum. I'm glad that his speech comes across well. I was beginning to feel a little like I was writing "Green Eggs and Ham", using different combinations of the same fifty words over and over again.
I'm glad you like the details! I gave such minute descriptions of all the hardships along the way: it's only fair to give the same treatment to clean laundry, hot water, and nourishing food. Thank you for yet another lovely, faithful review!
Lindelea
· 12 August 2015
· Chapter 63: Fishing
Oops, meant to say "intrinsic nobility" there, but got lost in thought.
I might as well add that the title of this chapter is perfect in its irony.
Author's reply
Fear not: I realized what you meant.
Chapter titles are so finicky: sometimes they come out so well, and sometimes they're just clunky.
Lindelea
· 12 August 2015
· Chapter 63: Fishing
Oh! Incredible! This is just one of many elegant turns of phrase: from the uncooked to the uncouth
(I itch now, to write some parody-ish snippet, perhaps an unwashed, trail-weary, hot and thirsty Aragorn contemplating the sight of a bottle of wine on a table in front of Bill Ferny in the Prancing Pony, possibly beyond the capacity of his wanderer's purse, wound around the theme of "from the uncorked to the uncouth"... That phrase is too good not to parrot.)
I love your portrayal of Aragorn here. His strength of will and intrinsic (yet also schooled by thought and effort, something he has worked to become as well as been born with/to) shine forth in his private thoughts.
Gandalf, too, is masterfully drawn. I love the picture of his unexpected strength, hidden beneath his guise, and the comparison of his anger to Aragorn's. I like the way they play against each other to achieve their aim. Their interaction speaks of a long friendship and mutual regard.
I found myself holding my breath as the interrogation went on. I know what they are trying to discover, and I can see it quivering in the air, unvoiced and as yet unguessed. Ah, but they are getting closer!
Author's reply
So pleased you like it! I must say I love your little plot-coney: do let me know if you write it! I've already written my "unwashed, trail-weary, hot and thirsty Aragorn" in Bree-land piece, but the notion of Bill Ferny twitting him at such a time is a tempting one. Oh, Ferny! Such a well-deserved apple to the face.
I'm delighted the characterization is good: thank you! I always strive for that. It's lovely that you liked the comparison of tempers, too. And of course, that the interrogation is suspenseful even though we know what they're going to get in the end.
Thank you as always for the delightful review!
UTfrog
· 12 August 2015
· Chapter 63: Fishing
You have a great gift of making this place so real!
Author's reply
Thank you! I strive for that, and it's lovely to know when it works.
Elentarri
· 11 August 2015
· Chapter 62: Spiraling Rhetoric
That was such a juicy chapter! And I liked the funny bits. I can't wait for the next one.
Author's reply
Thank you! It's nice to have some fun: there hasn't been very much of that. Cheers!
UTfrog
· 10 August 2015
· Chapter 62: Spiraling Rhetoric
Interesting chapter. Looks like Aragorn and Gandalf can get to the truth with the pair working together. Again, I am so happy you can work on this great story again.
Author's reply
Here's hoping...
It's great to be working on it again! I'm hoping to finish it before I run out of steam.
UTfrog
· 10 August 2015
· Chapter 61: Water in the Wilderness
I love Aragorn and the tailor. I can see Aragorn's panic at the thought of red satin. I can also see a vignette of Thrainduil teaching Aragorn that at times appearance does matter and as a king, Aragorn needs to learn how to use that power.
I also vote with so many others that Aragorn's journey to Mordor should be written first. However, I want to see some vignettes off this story: Faramir learning from Aragorn how much the water and supplies meant, Beorn's family learning of their contribution to Sauron's fall and a meeting between Elessar and the Marchwarden who wondered if humans bathed.
Author's reply
Ooh, that WOULD be a fun one: a tutorial in regal dress from Thranduil. I'm sure he'd be an excellent tutor.
Thank you for your vote! I do plan to write a little coda to LWW, but of course it's a much smaller project. I hadn't thought of including the Marchwarden, though: great idea!
Lindelea
· 10 August 2015
· Chapter 62: Spiraling Rhetoric
Loved the glimpse of Bilbo, and the description of his strength of will.
Aragorn's plan was very wise! If no one had been there to hear what Gollum said when he thought the guardroom was empty... How much have they missed in the earlier sessions, with the setup as it was?
Author's reply
So glad my little treatise didn't scare you off! I love the respect Aragorn so clearly has for Bilbo in the book: it's nice to have these moments in this grim story.
Veered good question, too!
someone
· 10 August 2015
· Chapter 62: Spiraling Rhetoric
I have enjoyed reading this story for some time now and am glad to see you continue it! Your way of writing Aragorn is excellent; it shows "the most hardy of living men", the king and a normal man in the same person. It is the same with the secondary characters and little details (Aragorn loving elvish bread, imitating Elrond's gestures, Gollum's fishing and attempted chicken robbery...), everything seems so multi-dimensional, and I really like it.
One of my favorite parts in this story is the stay with the Beornings, and it's interesting how the different cultures show every time Aragorn gets some help, from Faramir, Celeborn, Grimbeorn and Thranduil. None of those places were similar, but all of them felt real. Poor Aragorn though, he still has to walk home after this journey and then leave with the Fellowship. The man has to walk way too much.
Mordor or Thorongil? I have a soft spot for good, long Thorongil stories. For your... friend's question.
Author's reply
Thank you so much! I take great care in writing Aragorn, so it's always wonderful to know when others who love him like my characterization. I'm glad you like the details!
The chapters in Grimbeorn's hall were such fun to write! I have always loved that Beorn had many descendants. Aragorn's path takes him through so many different places and into contact with so many different cultures... and yes! He has to walk WAY too much. No wonder he was so thankful for the Lorien-boats...
Thank you for your vote! Thorongil would make for a much longer story, certainly!
obsidianj
· 9 August 2015
· Chapter 61: Water in the Wilderness
That tailor is priceless. I can see it now, Aragorn decked out in courtgarb going into the wilderness.
It must relieve Aragorn that Gandalf also has trouble getting anything out of Gollum, although that is not helping. They need to know what Gollum knows.
Author's reply
It's nice to be able to get in the occasional lighter moment. That is an amusing image, isn't it?
obsidianj
· 9 August 2015
· Chapter 60: Words for Posterity
I love the way you describe the friendship between Aragorn and Gandalf. They understand each other without a lot of words. Gollum really is a piece of work. But Aragorn is vindicated. Even Gandalf can't get anything out of Gollum.
Author's reply
After so many years, I'm sure they must. They certainly seem to in the book.
And yes, alas! Aragorn is vindicated. It's no easy thing to get Gollum to talk sense.
obsidianj
· 9 August 2015
· Chapter 59: The Wizard and the Weakling
Yay, you updated. At first I thought the notification was for a story long complete and then I remembered. This chapter had a nice trip down memory lane without being repetitive. You can feel the deep friendship between Aragorn and Gandalf. These good friends don't need to talk much to read between the lines. Aragorn's sparse account is enough for Gandalf to fill in the blanks.
Author's reply
Thank you for reading! And thank you for all of the reviews: they helped to keep the story present in my mind. I love to write Aragorn and Gandalf: their friendship is beautiful and fascinating.
shirebound
· 8 August 2015
· Chapter 62: Spiraling Rhetoric
Bilbo's indomitable hobbity will .... I love that phrase.
Thorongil's time in Gondor, please! :)
Author's reply
Thank you! It's clear in the book how highly Aragorn thinks of Bilbo, and how highly Bilbo thinks of Aragorn.
Thank you, too, for the vote! I certainly have had the Thorongil story on the slate for much longer.
ellon
· 6 August 2015
· Chapter 61: Water in the Wilderness
I thought it was really interesting that you described Aragon's perspective as Sauron and the Ring of Power being the problem of the people of Middle Earth rather than the Valar's. Since Sauron was the one who deceived the Elves and he was a Maia and lieutenant of Melkor I would think that the Valar hold more responsibility. The failure of Manwe to keep Melkor imprisoned and the failure of the Valar to completely remove the greater evils is not the fault of man or elves. In a sense the firstborn and secondborn are at the mercy of the greater powers. I think overall I am unhappy with the Valar and how they refuse to support the secondborn. Were I a man in Middle Earth I would probably be pissed off at them because of their preferential treatment of elves.
Anyways, I'm really excited to see the confrontation in the next chapter. I also would vote for Aragorn's trip to Mordor, although his time in Gondor as Thorongil would be excellent as well! Greatly enjoy your writing!
Author's reply
I agree completely: it was the Valar who failed to clean up the mess properly in the first place. But Aragorn would not see it that way. We know he is devout, and the devout do not make a habit of raging out against their divine beings. He also does not have the broad perspective of the entire history of Ea that we as outsiders have: his is the perspective of someone born and raised and living in the latter days of a shadowed age far removed from the deeds of the Valar and the Maiar in the dawn of time. The natural human inclination is to look at more proximal causes: measurable mistakes and moments when the decisions of those he knows or admires might have stayed the course of history.
As for being pissed off with the Valar... oh, there were definitely Men who were! But they all came to bad (and usually very wet) ends. ;-)
Thanks for your vote! I'd love to write both, but I can't do them at the same time. ;-)
Lindelea
· 6 August 2015
· Chapter 61: Water in the Wilderness
Oh, both stories sound fascinating to contemplate. Hopefully you mean to write one first, and then the other? If I had to choose (and a difficult choice it is), I would elect Aragorn's first journey to Mordor. I have read a few tales of Thorongil in Gondor, but none about Aragorn in Mordor. Oh, my. Even contemplating it... one wonders how he managed to survive and return to tell the tale. And I find myself contemplating the Men who lived in Mordor, under the Dark Lord. Is it at all possible that some of them showed some spark of resistance, and offered unexpected help along the way?
As for this chapter...
The descriptions of Aragorn's nightmares read almost like poetry. I started to quote a snippet, and ended up wanting to quote the whole first part of the chapter.
But to dismiss his words so wholly, in a matter of such weight, as Isildur had… that Aragorn himself could never have done.
Really? For Aragorn to believe that, well, I'm not so sure he's overestimating his own character and strength of will, so much as possibly underestimating the power of the Ring. Or is it possible he is truly capable of being unaffected by its siren call? (I know, at least, he did not fall as Boromir did, so maybe there's something there.)
The tailor brings a bright, comedic note. "I must have your wingspan."
Poor Gandalf. Such a thankless task. And this bit is so *very* Gandalf: ‘Your mastery of understatement is truly remarkable, even for one skilled in so many crafts,’ Gandalf growled, and this, Gandalf muttered his leave-taking.
I like the way you draw their relationship in skilful strokes: The way Aragorn points out the significance of "hole" for example, and Gandalf's reaction.
In truth? :)
Author's reply
Thank you for your opinion on the next story! Yes, I do plan to write both, and I'm only trying to decide where to start. Both tales have much to commend them. The account of the journey in Mordor is seldom explored, and my planned course incorporates some gems from the History of Middle-Earth treasury that are likewise never really seen in fan fiction. But of course the Thorongil story incorporates so many familiar places, characters and events. It's also the one I've dreamed of writing the longest: I made my first sorry little attempt at it when I was thirteen -- long before I knew anyone else on earth dabbled in this hobby, or that it had a name!
I'm glad you liked the "understatement" line! Indeed, the relationship as a whole. It's one of the most fascinating and inspiring friendships Tolkien created, I think. Of course, I'm biased...
And now the very best part: Aragorn and the temptation of the Ring. Yes, at this point he truly is underestimating its power. HOWEVER...
I put it to you that, in fact, Aragorn was *not* tempted by the One Ring to the degree many other characters were (Gollum, Bilbo, Frodo, Gandalf, Boromir, Galadriel, to name a few). Even Sam's moment of temptation is greater than what Aragorn appears to have experienced. Only once does he refer to taking the Ring for himself, and the tone and context of that remark make it clear that it is less than earnest:
"'I am afraid my only answer to you, Sam Gamgee, is this. If I had killed the real Strider, then I could kill you. And I should have killed you already without so much talk. If I was after the Ring, I could have it -- NOW!'" (Aragorn, Book 1, Chapter 10: "Strider")
He then unmasks a little of his kingly splendour and command to the hobbits, and when doubtful Sam is suitably impressed, Aragorn goes on:
"'But I *am* the real Strider, fortunately,' he said, looking down at them with his face softened by a sudden smile. 'I am Aragorn son of Arathorn, and if by life or death I can save you, I will.'" (as above)
This progression -- from wryly reiterating what he has been saying all night about the hobbits' underestimation of their peril, to the stark truth that they could not possibly defend the Ring against him (or without him!), to a show of his might and majesty, to the sudden return to gentleness and his beautiful pledge of loyalty -- is nothing like the cycles of temptation we see with those who fall prey to the lure of the Ring even briefly. Instead it is the carefully constructed, meticulously controlled, and brilliantly executed argument of a skilled negotiator trying to win over a skeptical audience under great duress. The words read like a threat, but they are not: he is demonstrating as plainly as he can the vulnerability of the Ring and of Frodo so that Sam will see that the risks of trusting Strider are far less than the risks of rejecting him outright. It is a moment of enormous desperation: if Aragorn cannot convince the hobbits to let him guide them, they *will* fall prey to the Nazrul, and the Ring will be captured. He knows it all too well, and he has to help them to see it too.
Now, this raises a very interesting question: why is it the Ring does not tempt Aragorn? The answer is simple. The One Ring can offer only one thing: power. It portrays that power in different ways to different people -- to Gandalf, the ability to make right in one fell swoop everything he has toiled so fruitlessly to mend; to Galadriel perilous beauty and splendour and might such as she wished for when as a maiden she spoke out as one of the prime voices of the Noldorin rebellion in Valinor; to Sam, the power to drive the invaders from his homeland and repair the terrible ravages he saw in the Mirror -- but it is ALWAYS power. The One Ring can offer nothing else. Boromir, who once asked how many centuries it takes to make a Steward into a King, is the most susceptible of our heroes because of all those tempted he is the most hungry for power.
But Aragorn does not crave power. He has more power than he wants, and more still is bearing down upon him at a great speed. This is the man who was reluctant to assume control of an eight-person walking party. *He*does*not*want*total*godlike*domination*over*Middle*Earth*. (<-- That should be in italics: sorry!). The Ring cannot tempt him because he does not want what the Ring has to offer, and the Ring cannot twist his desire into a lust for power, and why?
Because what Aragorn wants, in the deepest secret places of his heart, is peace. He wants to lay by his labours, and dwell with his beloved, and the rest does not really matter. He could have what he longs for just as well if he took up a hidden home in the North like so many of his forefathers, provided he could lay aside his duty and his destiny. This is the fantasy he toys with in moments of great turmoil. Again and again he says this: his home is in the North, and he returns when he may; his heart wanders beneath the beeches in Rivendell; Lothlorien represents his greatest desire because it was there he once dwelt for a brief season as he most wished to. Aragorn seeks to restore the Kingship because it is his destiny, and because Elrond in his wisdom entwined Aragorn's deepest longing with Aragorn's greatest test to make it easier for his beloved child to keep to the hard road decreed for him. He does not want to be King in order to rule, but in order to do good, to bring peace, and to be with Arwen in a world free of the Shadow. He shies away from the trappings of power until the need of battle presses him; after his victory on the Pelennor and in the Houses of Healing he slips out of the city into his simple tent; at his very coronation he honours others above himself. Aragorn does not want power.
He wants Arwen, and he wants peace. The Ring might twist the desire for a lady, but it cannot offer Aragorn peace: it cannot offer him any perversion of what he most desires because peace and power are by their very natures incompatible. Indeed it cannot even believably offer him Arwen, for Aragorn's possession of it would mean the subjugation of her (their) beloved father -- NOT a sound foundation for a happy marriage! This is why Aragorn's only mention of the desire for the Ring is so brief, so incidental, so incredibly insignificant when viewed against all the other such mentions. He does not want it: it only fleetingly occurs to him that he even *could* want it.
And as for putting the Ring before the advice of Elrond.... no. I honestly do not think that Aragorn could, even if he *were* tempted by the One. He does not always follow Elrond's advice or abide by his wishes, but never does he dismiss them out of hand as Isildur did.
Sorry about the lengthy treatise! This subject is near and dear to my heart, and it was handled extremely unfortunately in the films. That was one of the two most grievous mistakes that Jackson made in his adaptation, and it is also one of the most frequently ignored. I've heard more complaints over Viggo Mortenson's red shirt and the number of Gollum's teeth than I have about introducing temptation where none was meant to lie (and ignoring the very real temptation that was always there, but which isn't so Hollywood-friendly).
Thank you SO MUCH for your lovely comments, and for giving me the chance to finally post my thoughts on this matter. I really ought to organize it all into a proper scholarly paper, I know... but A Long and Weary Way is much more fun to write!
Hugs,
Canafinwe
shirebound
· 6 August 2015
· Chapter 61: Water in the Wilderness
It's quite refreshing and interesting to find Gandalf seeking comfort from Aragorn, and asking for counsel. This continues to be a fascinating tale.
Author's reply
Thank you! You have such a rich, broad perspective that it means so much to have you say that. This aspect of the friendship between Gandalf and Aragorn is not always explored, I think. But after all, Gandalf did sustain a long debate with Aragorn over the path through Moria, and in fact deferred to him until it was plain there was no other way after all. Clearly he values Aragorn's counsel immensely, and even the redoubtable wizard needs comfort and support at times!
ISABEL VILLENA
· 6 August 2015
· Chapter 61: Water in the Wilderness
Thank you -oh thank you so much for another chapter of this outstanding tale! You just made my day, as you do with every update.
I vote for a Mordor story: not enough tales about this intriguing period in Aragorn's life, I think.
Author's reply
You're so very welcome! Your lovely feedback, and that of all my other readers, made MY day today!
Thanks for weighing in! It is a portion of Aragorn's life that is seldom explored -- partly, I think, because it IS such a dark and dreadful concept. As you can see in LWW, even almost forty years later he tries his best *not* to think of it, no matter how closely the memories may crowd upon him.
Elentarri
· 6 August 2015
· Chapter 61: Water in the Wilderness
Another beautifully written chapter. :) I really look forward to your updates.
Re Thorongil's time in Gondor, or Aragorn's first journey to Mordor? Both, but the journey to Mordor first please.
Author's reply
Thank you so much! It's exciting to be working on this again, especially as the end is coming so swiftly. I'll miss this story when it's done!
Hence the need to look on to the next one. Thank you for your vote! I do intend to write both, but I can't do them in tandem: that would be a disservice to each of them.
Calenlassiel
· 3 August 2015
· Chapter 60: Words for Posterity
Canafinwe,
I am love this story. Thanks for all of your hard work.
Cal
Author's reply
Thank you so much, Cal! It's wonderful to know you're enjoying it, and it means so much that you've taken the time to tell me! Feedback means so much. It's how fanfic writers are paid. ;-)
Aranadhel
· 24 July 2015
· Chapter 60: Words for Posterity
Welcome back! Waited for what... almost a year for your update! Worth it! Brilliant story and writing you got here! Keep it up. I await the next update.
Cheers from Malaysia!
Author's reply
*sheepish eyes* Yeah, more than a year. Almost eighteen months. Err...
But thank you! It's great to be back, and I've missed this story and the wonderful Tolkien community so much! I'm glad you're enjoying it, and I'm already hard at work on the next update.