You managed to keep us from the long awaited meeting with Ecthelion, but still managed to give us valuable information concerning the people and the city. You are a very skilled writer. Thanks
Author's reply
Yes, I'm cruel with the suspense: I know! So glad it was a useful interlude, though. Thank you.
DoggieGirl
· 1 November 2015
· Chapter 5: Summoned
I really liked Jamon's charachter and hope that Thorongil and he can have more interaction. If he has skills to bear it forward, Thorongil would definitely see him promoted if he was to become commander. He seems like a genuine sort. thorongil is seeing the city from its lowest perspectives and this will be invaluable later. Poor Thorongil is still thinking has no hope for Arwen. Poor guy. Look forward to meeting with the Steward/
Author's reply
So glad you like Jamon! We'll definitely be seeing more of him. I agree: it's essential for a Captain (and even more so a King) to experience the challenges at the bottom. Otherwise he cannot be an effective or capable leader.
Celeth
· 1 November 2015
· Chapter 5: Summoned
Oh, finally, Thorongil gets to meet the Steward himself. Although I feel apprehensive because Denethor will probably be there to interrogate him again or at least watch for more clues about his person.
I never knew that Denethor had other siblings, and Anaiwen makes the second we've met so far. How strange to think of him as a brother to someone. I always thought he was cold and aloof partly because he was an only child (don't ask me how I got that strange idea haha).
I just love the way you flesh out and provide details that blend seamlessly with the original stories of Tolkien.
I'm so excited for the next chapter. Oh, I understand you'll be busy during the holidays. We'll be busy too, but I'll still be looking forward to each new chapter. Thanks again, Canafinwe =)
Author's reply
Yes, Tolkien was very clear that Denethor had sisters (though the youngest is only implied...). There were a lot of factors that made Denethor into the cold man he became; I'm hoping to explore them thoroughly. I'm delighted you're enjoying the story so far!
shirebound
· 1 November 2015
· Chapter 5: Summoned
I send him to the aid of a great friend – and a friend whose need for such a man is far graver than my own.
Thengel King is a noble and good friend indeed, to part with one of his greatest treasures. I'm eagerly awaiting Thorongil's meeting with Ecthelion.
Author's reply
Indeed he is! He raised a noble son, too, who of course does his own utmost to aid Gondor.
Matt
· 1 November 2015
· Chapter 5: Summoned
Two great chapters. Your posting velocity is high enough that I didn't see ch4 before this one came out. I liked greatly the interaction between Thorongil and the captain of the Tenth Company. Also the scene between the Steward and his daughter was very well done. Looking forward to the forthcoming meeting/interrogation and thankful as always for your hard work on this.
Author's reply
Thank you! I'm a bit slower this week, but I'll try not to lag too much. I'm glad you liked that scene with Thorongil and his Captain! I enjoyed writing Ecthelion with his daughter. Cheers!
someone
· 1 November 2015
· Chapter 5: Summoned
This is the first story I've read in which Denethor has such a young sister. She seems like a nice young lady (with a habit for fetching mares down from a mountain, apparently). And Anaiwen knows her brother well, as her first guess is that Denethor doesn't trust the newcomer!
I hope that Jamon will take Thorongil's offer. It might be easier to placate the future father-in-law, if the man his daughter means to marry is literate. He doesn't sound ambitious, but the ability to read might advance him in the Company, too.
It is a bit ironic that Thorongil starts his career with causing trouble to Denethor, just because of bad luck. Denethor did forget the letter, but it was understandable. I hope that Ecthelion is not too unhappy.
Author's reply
Yes. Tolkien did imply at least one *younger* sister, but THIS young is purely my own decision. It's narratively important, as will be plain later on, and it's not implausible -- especially given the longer lifespan of the Dúnedain.
I do love a little irony. ;-)
Aromene
· 1 November 2015
· Chapter 5: Summoned
I'm glad they met! I'm sure this will play out interestingly, as it's a bit of an unlikely friendship, but all the same, perhaps Aragorn can be a good friend to Jamon. Although I doubt Denethor will appreciate that at all. And a summons....ooh! Looking forward to the next chapter.
Author's reply
It's great to know you're glad! Jamon could use a good friend or two -- or at least a good King. So glad you're eager for more!
Cimarron's Girl
· 31 October 2015
· Chapter 4: The Measure of a Man
Oh, I am so excited to finally be reading this story! Thank you for the rapid updates!
I must say I am really impressed with your portrayal of all of the characters in your tales, but most of all the image of Denethor that your create. His relationship with Thorongil/Aragorn is absolutely fascinating to me; they are two men so alike, at least in appearance, yet they were "unfriends" from the very beginning of their relationship. However, it is important to remember that Denethor is not an evil man, despite his differences with Thorongil; he is a complex character, ultimately misguided in his intentions, but not evil. I think you capture the essence of this very well, particularly in the moment where Denethor is conniving to prevent the marriage between Jamon the Easterling and a Gondorian woman; Denethor's thought "It was not in the best interests of the merchant’s daughter to wed this swarthy stranger. He had only to help her see it" is a perfect example.
I also appreciate your demonstration of Denethor's keen mind - he has a sharp mind indeed to immediately note Thorongil's use of the phrases "that name" and "the men." Aragorn will have to watch his tongue very carefully to outwit Denethor! You really capture Aragorn well in this instance too - he is quick to respond in a manner that is both polite and evasive to questioning, and he remains humble and willing to endure the indignities of a common soldier despite his former position as an Undermarshal. Seems perfectly in-character with the noble Aragorn that we see in the books!
I'm really eager to see what will happen when Ecthelion finally opens Thengel's letter; I wonder if it will precipitate an introduction between the Steward and his future captain. I assume Thengel wrote a glowing letter of character, and I can't help but imagine how everyone will respond.
Also, I already love Minardil (he seems like and kind and fair captain) and I'm intrigued by the case of Jamon the Easterling. As always, I can't wait to see how all this saga unfolds!
Author's reply
Thank you for reading! I'm so glad you're liking it so far, and especially that the characters are coming across well. I agree completely: Denethor is not evil, and at this point he's not even being used by evil. He's a proud man, and he has his flaws, but he genuinely wants what he believes is best for his country. Paternalistic, yes. Evil, no. And he truly is brilliantly intelligent: an equal match (or nearly) for his new rival.
So glad you like Minardil, too! ;-)
Lori
· 30 October 2015
· Chapter 4: The Measure of a Man
One thing that seems to always be true about Aragorn is that it takes only a short amount of time before the people he is with come to love him based on not who his ancestors are but on who he is as a person. Already his fellow soldiers are beginning to like him I think. For the man Thornogil defeated to not show any resentment and almost seem to deem it a pleasure to be beaten by someone such as Thorongil is really telling about how Aragorn deals with people, especially those who he may be superior in skill to. Denethor is skilled and talented but treats people disdainfully that fall short of his mark and saps any pride of their work and psychologically discourages ever hoping to better it. Aragorn inspires men to be proud of their hard work and to achieve even greater feats. Two very different approaches by two very different men.
Wow, that was quite the encounter with Denethor! Thorongil is truly respectful and willing to serve Denethor and to humble himself to do so, but is more than a match for Denethor in terms of will. It is amazing how he can simultaneously be kneeling in the dirt in complete and sincere humility and service and yet show the character and indomitable will of a future king and leader of men and refusing to be cowed by Denethor's demands (albeit respectfully).
Can't wait for more. I really appreciate how fast you are putting these chapters up. I know it must be tough as a writer. But As a reader, I can't say how much I look forward to checking everyday to see if you have updated. Keep up the great work.
Author's reply
That's very true. Even Sam only took one night to come around. ;-) These two men do indeed have very different ways of dealing with people. So both are respected and obeyed, but only one is loved. It is fascinating to write Thorongil for just that reason: his humility and grace shine forth, and he is genuinely willing to serve... yet there are matters in which he will not yield.
I'm sure I won't be able to maintain this posting pace forever, but I'll keep it up as long as I can! It's great to be busting pages.
Sneha
· 30 October 2015
· Chapter 4: The Measure of a Man
Finally they meet! It is sad that they could have been such a powerful force together but Denethor chose to be envious. I am very happy that Aragorn got to eat finally! I love your writing, it is so genuine and you convey your intent well without using modern words.
Author's reply
It's very true. Happily Denethor's professionalism will win out *some* of the time! I couldn't leave Thorongil hungry *too* long this time. Not realistic. ;-)
shirebound
· 30 October 2015
· Chapter 4: The Measure of a Man
This is a beautifully conceived meeting between Thorongil and Denethor.
Author's reply
Thank you so much! It was interesting to explore the dynamics between them.
Aromene
· 30 October 2015
· Chapter 4: The Measure of a Man
I admit, I get a certain amount of pleasure out of Denethor being on an uneven footing with Aragorn. I loved how this meeting played out, and I think it's very true to both of them. I wonder what Denethor will think when he learns the contents of the letter?
Author's reply
Heh. I'm glad its enjoyable. He won't always be the one on the back foot, though: he's a worthy match for his new rival, and Thorongil is still a young man (53 years until the War of the Ring!). Cheers!
UTfrog
· 30 October 2015
· Chapter 4: The Measure of a Man
So even before Throngil met the Steward, Denethor judged him a danger. Such shortsightedness in a man supposed to be brilliant. Sad since Gondor could have prospered under those 3 men. You are doing a great job with this. Thank you.
Author's reply
Thank you! Yes, it really is sad that Denethor's flaws so stunted his potential and that of Gondor as a whole. It's a tragedy.
someone
· 30 October 2015
· Chapter 4: The Measure of a Man
A lovely chapter, Thorongil got some food and met friendly people! Or not friendly, in case of Denethor.
I can just imagine Minardil's face when this strange new recruit, face filled with joy, brandishes a rusty, old sword! The sword and the man fit together; both hidden beneath superficial dirt.
It is nice to see how Thorongil's real... being, for lack of better word, shines through. The way he behaves with the tailor and Denethor doesn't really fit his image, and Minardil must be very confused by now. He seems to be a very intelligent man, but Thorongil is someone beyond his experience to understand.
And last, thank you for the vocabulary in these stories. It is not that often that I need a dictionary these days, but you seem to send me looking for strange words quite frequently ("genuflect" this time). It is nice to learn new things.
Author's reply
Yes, I'm sure Minardil is a bit puzzled: Thorongil is not your average recruit. I'm glad you liked this (mostly pleasant) chapter. It's always great to know my vocab is strong, too! It's been many, many years in the making.
Aranadhel
· 30 October 2015
· Chapter 4: The Measure of a Man
Mellon... I will say it now. I have read a lot of LOTR fanfictions these past few years and no one... I repeat no one in my humble opinion comes close to how you write about Estel. So so much like in the book and you are continuing the Professor's work as it were his own handwriting.
I look forward to all your future stories of Estel.
The loyal Malaysian fan.
Author's reply
I cannot express how awed I am by such praise. Thank you. I don't know what more I can say. That's just... I'm humbled. Thank you.
Larner
· 29 October 2015
· Chapter 4: The Measure of a Man
Aragorn's breeding and early training in Elrond's house stands him perhaps too well for Denethor's comfort, but well enough with Minardil, at least. He shows his quality for those whose discernment is trained, and he makes Denethor feel perhaps less well than he would see himself, I note.
And my question about the letter is answered--delayed not by spite but by careless forgetfulness, I note.
Author's reply
Yes, indeed. Even the great Captain General is vulnerable to Desktop Entropy. ;-)
It's very true: Thorongil's self-assurance is making Denethor feel diminished. Unfortunate, and dangerous.
Celeth
· 29 October 2015
· Chapter 4: The Measure of a Man
I must thank you for the frequent postings. Its such a wonderful surprise to open this website and find a new installment chapter of my newest favorite story. Knowing that you have your own work, I appreciate it all the more that you still make the time to write a new chapter. And such lovely and lengthy chapters too!
Its a relief that Thorongil's Captain seems to be an understanding man, and it seems that there will be a good relationship between them. I particularly like that scene where Thorongil chooses his sword. And that dramatic scene where Thorongil kneels before Denethor, and the Heir paces around him, trying to figure him out. I could almost see the scene playing out, like a movie in my mind.
Can't wait for the next chapter!
Author's reply
I do my best! They may slow down a bit as we get on towards Christmas, but I'll post as frequently as I can.
It's absolutely wonderful that you could 'see' the last scene! Thank you for sharing that with me.
DoggieGirl
· 29 October 2015
· Chapter 4: The Measure of a Man
I am really starting to like Minardil. Thorongil needed someone to treat him fairly for a change. I loved his explanation for why he didn't bring his sword with him and his almost slips in revealing that he was a captain of men not just lowly grunt. Makes me wonder when or if his captain will find out who exactly is under him. Can't wait to see more of their interactions. The ancient sword was very fitting. I am sure it will become a coveted blade soon enough with Thorongil faithful attentions to restoring it.
Well, Denethor and Thorongil's first meeting was ... interesting. Denethor picked up on "under that name" faster than I would have predicted, but goes to show how observant and intelligent he is.
I am definitely waiting to see when Thorongil will get to show his skill with the blade. I think Denethor is beginning to realize that this sell sword without a sword could be a lot more skilled then he first supposed. Although it might totally surprise everyone else the brushed Thorongil aside as an unskilled nobody over exaggerating his skills. Can't wait for more. I am always super excited to see that your story has been updated. It really makes my day.
Author's reply
I'm glad you're liking Minardil, and that you liked the tale of Thorongil's missing sword. Yes, Denethor is VERY sharp. Thorongil will have to watch himself more carefully in future. It's great to know you're eager for more: every writer loves to know that!
quodamat
· 29 October 2015
· Chapter 2: Detained
This is such a well-crafted chapter. Since others have mostly commented on Thorondil's scene, I'll say that the section on Denethor was brilliantly done. You actually got me feeling sympathetic for him at first,insomnia being an old nemesis of mine, and then it just drained away as he demonstrates such harshness toward even his own people and then that horrible contempt and malice against foreigners. Regarding the former, namely the poor, freezing guard, I kind of wanted to yell, "maybe you ought to supply your men with better winter gear, oh mighty steward's son, standing there snuggling with your fur!" Granted, there are always those bitter nights that no ordinary winter wear can defend against, but still! ... Wow, only a couple chapters in and Denethor is already getting my inner radical all riled up. ;)
Oh a completely different note, I loved your description of the frosty windows: "They seemed to glow with the diffracted moonlight spreading through a thick crusting of frost that coated the bottom of each pain, leaving a U of bare glass through which the night was still dark." So evocative, and accurate - I can picture exactly what this would look like, and it's lovely.
Author's reply
Thank you so much! It's a treat to get feedback on a section that hasn't received much; you're so thoughtful! I'm very glad to know that a spectrum of feelings towards Denethor came across. He really could have done with that little lecture, too.
So lovely to have you comment on the description of the window! I'm delighted to know it was so clear an image. Cheers!
quodamat
· 29 October 2015
· Chapter 3: Petty Indignities
Indignities indeed! Yikes. You certainly captured the extreme awkwardness of the "strip and let us poke at you" aspect of proceedings: I was shuddering and twitching just reading it! I was very struck by the contrast between this scene and the post-journey check-up from Elrond near the end of "A Long and Weary Way." What a difference compassion makes!
Speaking of which, something I deeply appreciate about your writing is the empathy for suffering and (for lack of a better term) downtrodden people that is woven throughout your stories. For example, Thonongil's thought about how awful this ordeal must be for those who don't know the language was very poignant. I've sometimes thought along similar lines when dealing with things like airport security and customs/immigration processes: things that are stressful and sometimes confusing for me, though they're in my native language - I can't even imagine how gut-wrenching the same things must be for speakers of other languages. I find it very humbling. Anyway, thanks for writing stories with a moral dimension that make me think and reflect on real life.
Author's reply
It's good to know I captured it, unpleasant though it was, and that the contrast struck you. Most of all I appreciate your lovely comments about the underlying moral reflections in my work. Thorongil's empathy extends far beyond his own folk; that is one of his greatest strengths, and one that in the end proves almost more important than any other to his early contributions to the Quest.
Celeth
· 29 October 2015
· Chapter 3: Petty Indignities
"More fodder for the Enemy's vanguards" indeed! What a heartless way of looking at the poor weary soldiers who stand between Gondor and its Enemy. And so sad that some leaders, even today, have this attitude. So starkly different from the compassionate way that Aragorn treats everyone, even his captives. And speaking of Aragorn...too bad Denethor doesn't have a dash of the foresight that is one of the gifts of the children of Luthien. Then again, it was fortunate for Aragorn that Denethor didn't know who he really was at this point.
Poor Aragorn, having to undress before so many people, and in such circumstances. I hate doing it in the relative comfort and privacy of the doctor's consulting room. Having to do it in front of an indifferent Captain and so many prying eyes would be a hundred times worse.
I am sorry if I sounded impatient for the story. If you must know, I check this website about two or three times a day, hoping for a new story, or even better, a new chapter of my favorite stories =)
Author's reply
Don't worry about sounding impatient! There's nothing quite so motivating as hearing from readers who are clamouring for the next instalment. It's VERY encouraging!
Happily this is not Denethor's universal sentiment towards his soldiers, but he is very scornful of his father's foreign recruits. The stark difference is important, of course: what is Denethor in the Book but a foil for Aragorn? (and a tiny, tiny glimpse at a worst-case scenario...)
The search serves a greater purpose to the story, though in context it was completely unnecessary. Familiarity has numbed me to the consulting-room shyness, but well do I remember the days!
Thank you for the wonderful feedback. It's hugely appreciated, and makes posting a joy!
Larner
· 28 October 2015
· Chapter 3: Petty Indignities
I do hope that Denethor does not withhold the letter overlong. As for the treatment offered to Thorongil--it is rather shameful, if at least somewhat understandable. But I agree--not to bring his own sword when offering to become a mercenary is unusual!
Author's reply
I am glad it makes sense. The story of the missing sword is in the next chapter -- because of course he possessed one in Rohan. As for the letter... *noncommittal shrug*
UTfrog
· 28 October 2015
· Chapter 3: Petty Indignities
So Denethor besides disliking sell swords on principle also is suspicious of Throngil due to the letter. Poor Throngil can't catch a break. I do hope he gets breakfast soon. Thank you.
Author's reply
So many folks rooting for Thorongil to be fed! It's very endearing. As for Denethor... yup. Yup.
someone
· 28 October 2015
· Chapter 3: Petty Indignities
I've been waiting for Thorongil and Denethor or Ecthelion to meet for a while now, and will apparently have to wait a chapter or three more. It is realistic that a strange wanderer is not brought to see the Steward at once, but just a little bit frustating for a reader! Anyway, I'm looking forward to what is in the letter (perhaps that will bring Thorongil to the citadel...) and seeing if Thorongil's new comrades in the Tenth Company are as pleasant as the soldiers in Rohan.
The chapter title was very fitting. There was no reason to humiliate Thorongil in front of the soldiers, and there was no real need to send the Easterling's company away from the city. I'm quite surprised that Thorongil is not even more upset, but, as you said before, he is a patient man. Even when he is suspected of stealing silver spoons. It must be quite different from life in Imladris and among the dunedain.
Telpiriel sounds like an interesting woman, and I have suspicions that we are going to see more of her and her unborn baby in the future.
Poor, hungry Thorongil. Are you going to feed him soon or will there be more petty indignities before that?
Author's reply
I *am* trying for realism. ;-) Still, I can definitely see the frustration! Thorongil is beginning to share it...
Feedback on chapter titles is always appreciated! Sometimes I know when they're 'just right', but more often I wonder! The indignities stretch a little further, too: Telpiriel has her own in her enforced inaction, though the family is trying to make light of it.
I couldn't resist the spoon-thief allusion. Sometimes you just *have to* do these things!
I can't tell you Thorongil's feeding schedule, I'm afraid. He hadn't counted on being detained, that much is certain..
Matt
· 28 October 2015
· Chapter 3: Petty Indignities
Wow, nice story and moving forward rapidly at least where posting is concerned. I think you overplay thorongil's lowliness at first, something which I believe is at least partially fanon, but you do soften it with the letter he carries. Given the way you have him arrive, his treatment seems very "reasonable" given the time and the kind of people our mysterious sell-sword is dealing with. Thanks for your hard work on this, looking forward to future installments.
Author's reply
Thank you for the lovely feedback! I love to linger in story-time, so I try to make up for it with frequent posts. ;-)
I greatly appreciate the constructive comment, too! Unfortunately I use all of my screentime for writing, so I know very little what is out there in terms of 'fanon'. I chose this route because it seemed fitting for Aragorn's character: to desire not only to learn what the lowly experience, but to gauge also the mettle of his Steward.
Again, I thank you! I'm glad you're looking forward to more.