Glory Bee · 6 February 2012 · Chapter 12: Epilogue
Stunningly beautiful and heartfelt Bodkin. You are such a brilliant writer.
Eärendil’s Tale by Bodkin
Glory Bee · 6 February 2012 · Chapter 12: Epilogue
Stunningly beautiful and heartfelt Bodkin. You are such a brilliant writer.
ana · 8 March 2011 · Chapter 12: Epilogue
I love this. You write so well, with such great talent. I've always been fascinated with Elrond and his life so full of tragedies, the poor guy never seemed to catch a break. I admit I was not very impressed when I read the first time (or indeed on subsequent readings) about Elwig abandoning the children for the Silmaril, but you managed to explain their point of view in a way that truly made me forgive her for the first time. So thank you, I really love Elrond and his children and I'm glad I don't have to be disappointed with his parents any more. Another reviewer said how the Valar don't really appear all that sympathetically, and frankly I always believed so. All through the Silmarilion, all through the Lord of the Rings, I pretty much resented the Valar, and I never could understand how anybody is oh so very in awe of their "benevolence". And not just about elves, although at times they pretty much screwed them as well, but mostly about humans. Weren't the Valar supposed to have been sent by Eru Iluvatar to take care of his children? Aren't we, humans, his children as well? They only liked the elves cause they were pretty, but never ever bothered to look at their other charges. They completely abandoned humans, never taught them anything, never gifted them anything, practically they never gave a shit humans were in pain. They were fine and well, surrounded by the beautiful elves, whom they loved, in a remote and beautiful haven, and the hell with the younger children, let them rot and be devoured by evil and filth for ever, just because they're not pretty enough. I pretty much hate them, basically. They are like the worst kind of racist creeps, especially as they're supposedly godlike. Sorry for ranting about it here, it's just that reading about Earendil's plea, and how cavalier they were about it, and even their most compassionate help only extended to their darling pretty elves, never to humans. I really love your story though.
Lilandriel · 11 December 2008 · Chapter 12: Epilogue
*sighs* it doesn't matter how many times i read this, i still think ths story is truely awesome. xx
Lilandriel · 3 January 2007 · Chapter 10: Before the Valar
I just had to review. this chapter was so powerful, so totally awesome. i cried. twice! at the end there when Earendil tells that Arwen now blows kises to the Star of High Hope with her son in her arms, as her father did with her an Age before, and to know that there would be no reunion... it was heartbreaking. And the two mothers sharing such a terrible grief. you create such incredible, powerful images. not only have i cried, i've laughed, and at unexpected times too! the halls of the Valar... how do you describe something that is beyond description? beyond the scope of mortal words and comprehension? you've done it beautifully that Elwing and Earendil found peace and healing among Olwes' people, and then Celebrian countless years later- a testimony to not only the unchangingness of the Elves, but of the eternal compassion and kindness of the Teleri. you know, you've written it in such a way that it makes me so angry with the Valar? it's not their intent, but they seem so cold and indifferent at times. that bit where Earendil contemplates that the Valar withheld their aid because they were waiting for an apology!? so many who have suffered and died beneath the shadow of a fallen Vala? (singular; Vala? not sure) grr! what a fantastic piece of emotive work. there is so much i want to say. i don't have the words for it all. it's superb. utterly stunning. you don't write professionally, do you? if not, you should really consider taking it up. all the way through, this story has been consistently brilliant. i don't want it to end!! xx
Author's reply
Thank you so much, Lilandriel! I am deeply flattered to have made such an impression on you - I shall certainly have to save your review so that I can reread it when I'm feeling inadequate. The division between Arwen and Elrond is such a sad part of the story - even victory brings sacrifice and no happy ending is without tragedy. I like to think that reunion will come - finally, at Arda's ending - and that Elrond will be able to make up for lost time, but that's just because I can't bear to think of Arwen being separated for ever from her family. I'm delighted that you enjoyed the parts with the Valar - it is hard enough to picture Aman, and the halls of the Valar and the Valar themselves - well. Probably only possible through the reaction of anyone confronting them. And I don't blame Earendil for being a little ... bitter. The Valar let Morgoth run free in Middle-earth and didn't seem too keen to take the responsibility. Probably more to it than that, I know, but when you are the half-elf torn from your family to provide the bridge, a little resentment is understandable! I love writing - but I never did it for anybody's pleasure but my own until I discovered SoA and fanfiction. I really enjoy the personal contact with readers - it's a great community! Thank you again. I'm sorry the story has to finish!
Imhiriel · 8 September 2006 · Chapter 12: Epilogue
This is a marvellous story! You have breathed life in the beautiful but somewhat spare account of Eärendil's life and adventures. And your Eärendil is truly wonderful: his behaviour rings utterly true, his shyness and awkwardness in dealing with other people - not to speak of with his own son - seems so realistic. I love Elrond's insight that both his parents were so young when all those live-changing events (wedding, parenthood, Kinslaying, seeking for Aman) happened; scarcely older than him, and certainly incredibly young for Elves. And Elrond had all those 6000 years of experience of dealing with family and other people. And Eärendil is so honest and... nice... and humble, not at all conceited or arrogant about his lineage or achievements. One can certainly understand why even the Valar thought he was someone special! Which makes his and Elwing's sacrifices (and you make it very clear they were sacrifices) that much more heartbreaking.
Author's reply
I really enjoyed writing about Earendil. He - well, all Elrond's family, really - does seem to be a sacrifice for the benefit of the rest of Arda. Earendil is, even in the Blessed Realm, cut off by a fate that makes him, alone of all the inhabitants, a star - who will spend all of Arda sailing over lands that are beyond his reach. It sounds romantic - until you think about it. He ends up with more in common with Tilion and Arien than anyone else. I had to have him able to come home to Elwing and a relatively normal household where he can be himself. And Elrond is better able than anyone to understand what his parents gave up - even if it was probably difficult to let go of the idea of them as parents who chose not to be with their young sons and think of them as working for the greater good. After all, he grew up abandoned by his parents - but he is now wise enough to see them as confronted by a choice that gave them little option. Thank you - I'm glad you enjoyed this!
paranoidangel · 24 August 2005 · Chapter 12: Epilogue
I've only just got round to finishing this. I really enjoyed hearing about the lives of Earendil and Elwing. And it's so nice to see Elrond interacting with his family.
Author's reply
Thank you. I enjoyed writing this, too. And it was a pleasure to give Elrond the opportunity to spend some time with his parents - and get a better understanding of their decisions.
perelleth · 15 June 2005 · Chapter 12: Epilogue
See, I had given up reading this because I tended to get lost in minor details that did not entirely fit in my own Universe and could not get a hold of the story, so I decided to save it up for when it was ended and read it as a whole. It is an interesting challenge you undertook here, Bodkin, and IMHO you more than succeeded. There are many things that I like, how you woved in the Elessar, Tuor and Idril and the story of the sleeper in the tower, the story of the making of Vingilot, Eärendil's plea in front of the Valar...It is curious that Eärendil had been in Tolkien's mind from the very beginning and he never gor down to wholly flesh him out... I kind of felt like Elrond, Eärendil might be real yet distant. And at the end, he still is, but in a different way. I mean, there's no way to feel close to a person who becomes a star, but you can come to understand his life path better when it is recounted with such detail. And the epilogue is masterfully done, in the way that it ties up everything beautifully and meaningfully. Elrond's words about his family and sacrifice made me think of a verse from an italian poet I very much like: "Ocorrono tante vite per farne una", which more or less means "So many lives are needed to make up another life.." in the sense that from Finwé's weakness, to Fingolfin's faithfulness to his own oath and his people, to Turgon's wisdom, to Idril's great heart, all of them were needed with their strengths and their failures to eventually come to Eärendil the blessed who would carry the plea that would be heeded. So congratulations for a great story, and thanks for sharing. It was a very much needed attempt at recounting, and having Elrond enjoy these moments with his parents was the best way of doing it, I believe. I did have a great time!
Author's reply
Thank you. It is such a complicated universe - and rather different from every perspective. I'm glad you decided to come back and look at this story once it was complete. There are a lot of elements, really, that Tolkien didn't flesh out completely, which is lucky for us, as it gives so many different personalities and plot elements that can be pursued. I hadn't thought that much about Earendil until I put him in an Elflings - but he and Elwing are very interesting characters with plenty of loose ends. I still feel rather sorry for them - their fate isolated them both, but I think Elrond can be justly proud of them. I'm glad you like the epilogue - I wavered for a long time over it, but the sacrifice element seems such a big part of the fate of Earendil's line. And Elwing's, of course, as she brings in the Beren/Luthien, Elu/Melian part of the equation. And then there's Maglor - and Gil-Galad. I think they were important too in making Elros and Elrond who they were. And Earendil/Elwing are like the knot in the middle, gathering in the strength of their ancestors and giving it out again. I'm so pleased you enjoyed the story. It was fun to write and I'm happy to know that you found it fun to read.
Bejai · 13 June 2005 · Chapter 12: Epilogue
Sorry it took me so long to review this. Had to fly away for a funeral this weekend, and although I read the chapter a few days ago, I didn't have it in me to review. And this chapter and story certainly deserve it! What a wonderful story this has been! I love all your Valinor stories, and am delighted you worked Eärendil and Elwing into your version of it! Very much enjoyed your telling of their first age adventures and tragedies as well. How wonderful that Gil Estel brought E2 hope enough to make it home to their mom and dad! Ah, poor Maglor. Of all the Feanorions, he's the only one I feel for. I think he could find forgiveness and healing, if he'd just let himself. Loved the little elven get-together. And that Tuor and Idril were out wandering around. If you're taking requests, I wouldn't mind seeing a story of some sort from their POV. There just aren't enough Tuor and Idril stories in the world! (While I'm asking -- I'd also to see more of that C&G wandering around in the mountains story, and Oropher walking in on his son. I'm shameless, I know ;) ) Great story, Bodkin, and I eagerly look forward to more of your kind gifts to us, from your skilled pen.
Author's reply
Thank you - I am glad you have enjoyed it! It has been good fun to write - and I feel happier about Earendil and Elwing's fate now! Earendil's promise in the sky seemed to fit with E2's eventual trip west. I feel for Maglor - he seemed to be bound up in his family's fate through loyalty and love, neither of which seem to have been major motivations for the rest of his family. And he seems stuck with the cruelest fate - although I was thinking that perhaps the purgatorial aspect of his fate is more likely eventually to bring him to forgiveness and healing in the west. (Although time in Namo's Halls is also - presumably - cleansing.) And I think he is possibly harder on himself than the Valar would be. Tuor and Idril, huh? True, there are few of them around. It would be quite an interesting twist on Aragorn and Arwen, in a way. I'll put it on the list! C and G are about halfway through a chapter - perhaps now this is done, I'll be able to get them out of the rain! And Oropher has managed half a page so far, but that's not too bad, because now I've written something, I'm much more likely to get going on it. And then there's Arwen. . . Oh well, at least the Reflections don't take long to write - and I usually have a couple in hand. Thank you - I am very flattered by your words! And look forward to hearing more from you. Please?
Redheredh · 12 June 2005 · Chapter 12: Epilogue
A perfect ending - the family is together again :) They did not go by sea?! I thought they had, but great that you put that in here. Now, I wonder at what kind of aircraft it was! It does add a lot to the thrill of their passage west. As do the related encounters with Maglor. "...in their darkest hour..." "...It is a link..." "...Between what was and what will be. Just as we are." "We are a bridge across a ravine..." "...and it leads home." They were made to make a difference. They are bearers of splintered Light. An awesome thing to realize and to be. "And, for now, this would be enough. He would continue to hold the faith...trust that, one day...all reunions would be complete." I hope everyone has that faith. Thank you for telling a story that articulates hope, besides service and sacrifice, so beautifully. This was a fantastic and evocative rendition of Earendil's adventurous voyages as well as being a soulful journey. The beautiful writing and expressive story-telling as wonderful to experience as the events themselves. Thanks for writing and sharing this tale with us. Just perfect.
Author's reply
Thank you. The family is as reunited as it can be before the end of days. Sorry, but they did go by sea from Mithlond (they hadn't stayed long enough for technology to move as far as any kind of air travel - although Maglor could be retrieved by eagle, couldn't he?)- but if they could have travelled by river to the coast, they would have found it an easier journey. I picture the land as being like that silicon gel stuff that sucks the moisture out of packed goods - drawing the light from the elves. (I think any who still remain must be close to those semi-magical places like ley lines.) I'm so glad that you enjoyed Earendil's adventures - and the urge I cannot resist to record them philosophising. Elrond needs to hold on to his faith for the future, I think, and Earendil's experience leads him to believe that such faith will be rewarded - in time. I really enjoyed writing this - and I am so pleased that you enjoyed reading it. Now I just have to go and start thinking about a certain returned king!
elliska · 12 June 2005 · Chapter 12: Epilogue
Oh I will definitely mourn this one now that it is finished but it was so wonderful. I love finishing it with Elladan and Elrohir following Gil-Estel to Elvenhome to finally meet the daeradar they never met. And, as Elrond said, equally important was Eärendil's reunion with the twins that he had watched for so long. I like how you portrayed the twins here. I think they would be completely awestruck--how could they not. And it is dear to imagine that there is still something that will awe these accomplished, elf lords and warriors. And I liked this: Ulmo’s voice is strong in the waters of the world even now.’ Eärendil blinked. ‘Did you not realise?’ So characteristic an observation for the mariner to make and to me it tied everything back to the beginning of the story when Eärendil is still in Middle Earth and so drawn to Ulmo and his domain. And I am glad you included Maglor here. Poor fellow. I'm glad here is in ME trying to redeem himself. I hope he will feel redemption eventually. And the ending was perfect--a wonderful interpretation of the importance of Eärendil and Elrond's family and their role in Arda. Loved it! This is simply a wonderful story. Now I shall go read it again in one piece.
Author's reply
I will mourn it too! But I am so glad you enjoyed it. It seemed to round it off to bring it back to the reunion of Elrond and his sons - and the hope that their daeradar's star offered them. And Earendil seems to me to be still quite - modest, is the best word I can come up with. The quality in him that made it possible for him to hand over the Silmaril. It must be amazing to turn up in the Blessed Realm - and have tea with Earendil and Elwing and meet Tuor and Idril and Finrod and all these legendary elves. Even growing up with Glorfindel won't have been quite enough to make it seem an every day experience. And poor Maglor. I think it is his isolation - his endless grief and pain that make me feel so sorry for him. But I'm not sure whether he will ever feel he has done enough to be forgiven. He could overcome his guilt when it was a matter of supporting Maedhros, but now he is more relentlessly unforgiving of himself than (probably) anyone else would be. Phew! I'm glad the ending worked for you! I pored over it for days trying to find exactly the right words, before giving up and deciding it would have to do. Read it again! I'm flattered.
daw the minstrel · 12 June 2005 · Chapter 12: Epilogue
This was what made his family special. This – service and sacrifice That ties this all together so nicely. And it rings true to me. I'm glad you had the twins arrive, even though Tolkien tells us no one knew what they chose to do. Poor Elrond needs them. His realization of how much they resemble Earendil was interesting. When I think back over your characterization of the Mariner, I can see that. And I liked the glimpses of Maglor, who's always seemed to me to be even more tragic than the rest of Feanor's sons. He was caught up in something he didn't start, and he tried to be decent, but the curse of the Valar was just too much. I also like the faith that they'll all be with Arwen in the end.
Author's reply
And the thing that gets me most about Maglor is - the rest of them just died. Yes, I suppose there could be big reasons in some minds why that would be worst - expiring unshriven, unrepentant and all that. But Maglor was stuck with endless loneliness and grief - and pain. I suppose it could be considered his own purgatory - and that, once he had paid for his sins, he could be forgiven and received into the West - but really, it just seems cruel. They've all been working on faith (- service and sacrifice!) and honour since the First Age - they won't give up on it now. Arwen, Elros and Luthien - the half-elven who will be reunited with their kin. And Estel. I can't bear to think of the twins not arriving. And I think, short of a cataclysmic love a la Arwen, they are too elven not to choose to sail to their naneth (and Elrond). They are adventurers, too, which makes them rather Earendil-ish. I wonder if they would fancy a bit of Vingilot piloting. Earendil deserves a few weeks off, I should think, after two ages plus. Thank you. I enjoyed writing this - although I wasn't so sure about half way through!
Jay of Lasgalen · 12 June 2005 · Chapter 12: Epilogue
How wonderful for Elrond (and where's Celebrían?) to be reunited with his sons. They seem so diminished though, by their final years on Middle-Earth. E2 here seem a long way away from the elves of 'Reflections' - though I know earlier chapters refered to this fading. And some of Elrond's memories are so sad: 'dead-eyed warriors, interested in nothing but slaughter, shielded behind a mask of adamant.' It's chilling, but exactly how I imagine the twins in the years after their mother's attack. Great ending to a great story! Jay
Author's reply
Celebrian is talking to Tuor and Idril at the moment. Much as she would like to be with the twins! But she will be back in a moment. The story started with Earendil and Elrond and it seemed neater to finish it with them. It took E2 some time to recover from the last years, I think. In my head, the numbness of the land became very draining, almost to the point where the remaining elves lost the will to continue. (Which makes the thought of those left in Arda still bearing the torch a bit contradictory, but hey - I'll think of something! Maybe their focus is narrow enough - and if they stay in the areas where the force is still with them - ley lines and such. 'Fairy rings'.) So many of Elrond's memories must be sad - poor Elrond! He can console himself with the fact that E2 are with him now, but Arwen isn't and she and her children never will be. Beyond the circles of the world down to the third or fourth generation now. Thank you - I'm glad you thought it was a good ending. I've been poring over it for days trying to decide! I'm sorry this story is over - but I suppose it frees me up to start another one!
elliska · 5 June 2005 · Chapter 11: Reconciliation
I love Eärendil and Elrond's reaction as they prepare to share a journey on Vingilot. Poor Elrond--I honestly think I'm with him. I love sailing (as long as someone else is in control of the boat) but sailing on the sky would be right out for me. :-) But I'm glad he got to see his father at its helm and I liked how you portrayed him as a different person there. He would be. Well done. Another thing that struck me here that I enjoyed was the memory of the War of Wrath. That is something rarely shown and I like it everytime I get to see a glimpse. I especially liked here the change in the elves when they returned--that was very sad. It makes you aware,’ he said finally, in an attempt to pass on an understanding that it had taken him millennia to develop, ‘that this is only a small part of Elu’s whole. Even the elves, who will live as long as the world exists, are part of this bigger entirety – and our divisions are not for ever.’ ‘Perhaps not,’ Elrond mused, ‘although that is little consolation.’ There are so many levels to this interchange as the chapter goes on to show. Between Elrond and his father, and Elrond and his wife, the separation has finally ended. Between Elrond and his daughter, it has really just begun and he has suffered the loss of his brother for millennia. That was really well done the way you showed that. As you very well know, I love exploring the character's emotions and I thought you did an excellent job showing Elrond's feelings after the loss of his father and brother (and even Maglor) and his interaction with Gil-galad. (‘And that circlet that you say is remarkably over-provided with sharp corners considering that it is round. And council meetings.’ --Love the little inserts of humour!) And then you bring that conversation back around at the end with Elrond saying he is 'content' for her--that is really sadder than grief, isn't it. It's easier to grieve or be angry. It's harder to realize what's done is right even though it hurts. And I really loved how you handled Elrond's desire to find / see / hold hope for Maglor and Eärendil’s response to that. I honestly think this is the best canon gap filler I have read--certainly so for the Silmarillion. I absolutely adored this and I'm sorry to see it end. Great job, Bodkin!
Author's reply
(Don't you think the twins ought to become co-pilots for Vingilot? It would stop them from becoming bored in the Blessed Realm.) I think flying the sky-ship is less scary in reality than in imagination. Well, it would have to be. But Earendil has been doing it for a long time and he is at home doing it. Elrond and Earendil reminisced a bit about the dragon and the battle against Morgoth in the first chapter - so I thought I would focus more on preparation and results here. I can see the elves marching confidently to war - and finding it a far more painful experience than they thought. They will have learned lessons about sacrifice and loss that will have shaken them - and, possibly, given them a greater respect for and understanding of those elves who later sailed west. Big sigh. Elrond never gets a really happy ending. Well, none of his family do - sacrifice is definitely a big part of their role in the world. And yet they have the courage and discipline to make that sacrifice every time. I think he would work to overcome his grief to try to accept her choice - and see, better than most probably, that it was better for her. (Not for him of course, but his expectations can't have been high.) And the more characters appear, the more you get fond of - I've really taken to Gil-Galad now. Even Maglor. And I've got myself feeling sorry for Maedhros. I would like to see Maglor brought back - two ages of isolation and regret seem long enough. I'm flattered that you like this and really appreciate your words. I'm sorry to see it end, too!
Redheredh · 4 June 2005 · Chapter 11: Reconciliation
I liked how this chapter wrapped up some vague things in very practical ways. But then I would. ;) Elwing's tower being an outpost until other elves were attracted to come there was very interesting. Surely, Elwing herself was what attracted the first visitors. Greenland got colonized faster, but then there was a PR campaign to settle there and not Teleri word-of-mouth. Which when you consider it, probably was just as affective. Elrond wondering about Maglor with the following discussion of his personality and morals was touching. You make a case for ending his torment. However, Earendil says it best - "It may take some while." I really like the thought of the Noldor going forth from Aman to free their kin from bondage. I took that to mean their oath and not just Morgoth's grip on their lives. The Valar may have had designs on the Simarils, but did any of the Host, even the Vanyar? I like to think Morgoth was their only target. Acknowledging that war changed the inexperienced Amanyar and how was well described. It brings up questions about how those that were reborn after the experience handled it and how the people welcomed them back. Did time in Mando alleviate the effect? The resulting isolationism is a familiar declaration that never lasts in our reality, not even for Switzerland. It will take bending the world to make it feasible for the Amanyar. Nice reference to the fear of being left out again - doubly forsaken - to describe the surge of ME elves sailing to Aman. After the war with Sauron too. It certainly made it easier for edain to colonize the mainland later. Ah, that delightful time-folding thing again. Just so Earendil could get away once in awhile. That was a nice thing to do for him and Elwing too. ;) On the closing matter of heroes and husbands - Once again, Earendil puts something important in perspective: "...being a son or a husband or an adar. That is, indeed, a matter for joy." And as usual, Elrond puts some common sense into the subject: "- and it is time to be a family." Then you had that very sweet closing line to this chapter and essentially this story. Thanks, this was a wonderful voyage. And I anxiously await an epilogue.
Author's reply
I reckon whatever was left of Sirion would seek out Elwing and Earendil. Unless they stayed with Tuor and Idril. The whole 'living in a white tower and flying out to meet Earendil' idea gave me the shivers. Yes, romantic. For a while. But isolation of that level for 6000 years? They have to have assembled their own people - how else could they have eaten? And clothed themselves? What I think about Maglor is that he is one of the less guilty of Feanor's sons, but that he got landed with the worst fate. The others were only killed. And death would take them to Namo's halls - where they could go through the process of redemption. Maglor had to live with his guilt - alone - indefinitely. And there comes a point when that becomes cruelty. I think his case should be brought before the Valar again. I don't think the Silmarils were first in the minds of the Valar's host. They were obeying the Valar's call - which was more about the defeat of Morgoth. And they would see themselves as an army of Lone Rangers riding to the rescue, I think. A nice bunch of elves on the whole - but some would call them confident (and others arrogant). Those who have never seen war do tend to think it will be a simple case of marching in, winning and going home. (I love the 'not even for Switzerland' line!) Do you not think the preparation for rebirth might have to include some thought about dealing with how you died? And why? Otherwise none of the kinslayers would come back. (Minor characters rather than SofF.) And then you get thinking about guilt and culpability. Some people blame themselves for outcomes they couldn't possibly help, whereas others feel totally justified in having done terrible things - so if how you feel about things is part of preparing for rebirth, it could allow some big mistakes. And poor Earendil won't have had any time off in two ages if he can't do a bit of time-folding and place-bending. (I think he needs the twins as substitute Vingilot pilots to give him some time to get away.) Husbands and heroes - well, they need to get some priorities sorted out in a realm where all the great names could end up living cheek by jowl. I am glad you have enjoyed the voyage. Epilogue . . . growing. It just needs to tie some bows - but without becoming too much of an epic.
daw the minstrel · 4 June 2005 · Chapter 11: Reconciliation
You take up a lot of questions here that I had never even considered. My experience is that that's one of the things that happens when you try to work out the details that Tolkien left unfinished. Questions pop up all over the place. How odd it must have been for the Exiles to try to reassimilate. That's one of the things I had never considered.
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Tolkien's world is just so huge, isn't it? So many tempting gaps and things left unsaid. I wonder how those who had never left reacted to the return of cousins / brothers / husbands after an age. And how those who had suffered saw the comfortable secure lives in Aman. Did they end up being treated to the 'well, it was a long time ago and in foreign parts and things like that just don't happen here' attitude? Then there's the whole language issue. Presumably the lingua franca of the Blessed Realm is Quenya - spoken by remarkably few Sindar and possibly no longer the tongue of choice of the younger Noldor. Do you think the elves of Aman would insist on language classes? And laugh at the inability of the immigrants to speak a civilised language? Can't you just see the faces of the non-Noldor elves at having to learn to speak and do business in Elu's banned tongue? There's so much that you just have to overlook, or the story would never get anywhere.
lwarren · 4 June 2005 · Chapter 10: Before the Valar
What a wonderful chapter! I've just looked at the clock and it's 1:00 in the morning! No wonder I'm cross-eyed! I just wanted to say this was great and I will review it in more detail in the morning (er...later this morning!) LOL linda
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It kept you interested until 1 am! Yay! Have a good night's sleep.
lwarren · 4 June 2005 · Chapter 9: Forbidden Shores
Free at last, and finally recovered enough to put two consecutive thoughts together that make a little bit of sense! :-) *wails loudly* I am so far behind in reviewing, tho'! I thought to start here and review the last two chapters of Earendil's Tale - oh, yes, Bodkin, I have been reading...just too swamped to review! This chapter was FULL of wonderful lines and images. I love the pictures you paint, Bodkin...starting with that desperate effort to return to Sirion and take revenge on the Kinslayers! How tragic and terrible to the crew must have been the news Elwing brought...and how much worse for them that Ulmo would not let them return to their families! (I liked how Elrond felt better knowing his father had at least tried to come back for him and his brother!) But I suppose my favorite part came when Voronwe told Earendil that loyalty to one's liege lord did not excuse the killings. He was right, too - better to be foresworn than to commit some atrocity which totally goes against your own values. I've always wondered how those following the sons of Feanor were able to stand what was happening? Were they so seduced/dazzled by the promise of the Silmarils that they lost every value they ever believed in? It's a mystery to me... The trip to the shores of Valinor...the walk into Tirion only to find it empty (a festival, of all things!)...and finally being met and taken to the Valar was all so well done. I love how the light of the Silmaril had become a part of Earendil...and how it all played a part in his ultimate request to the Valar for aid. Just a wonderful chapter, Bodkin! linda
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The first few days are euphoric - and then time just starts rushing past far too quickly. It was interesting doing this chapter (and the next), because it had to be so closely tied to the actual word of JRRT. Some bits could be - well - interpreted, but where Earendil and Elwing and the Valar speak, their words had to be used. (I thought so, anyway.) Instinct would take you back, I think, even if you knew it was useless. And even 6000 years or so on, you would be glad to know that your parents had tried. I'm glad you liked Voronwe's words! After all, Feanor's Noldor do have to take some of the responsibility for what happened. He demanded that they follow him - but what would have happened if they had just put down their swords and said 'no'? It's one of the cries from war crimes trials over the years - 'I was just carrying out orders', but why would elves carry out orders that required them to kill other elves? Although, having taken part in Alqualonde, perhaps the Kinslayers were in despair and felt themselves to be cursed? The Silmarils can't have had that much influence on the common elf, surely. Feanor only brought them out on high days and holidays and he was very jealous of them. Why make Earendil a star? My answer was that he had borne the Silmaril for so long that it had impinged on his being - and part two of my reasoning was that he had to be willing to surrender it. Possessiveness does not seem to have been a good thing as far as the jewels of Feanor were concerned. Glad you liked the chapter!
Redheredh · 30 May 2005 · Chapter 10: Before the Valar
..."Valinor is not what you expect," Elwing said softely. "It is not an end, but a beginning. Your existence stops and shifts and begins again." "But there is no going back."... Not after the ban anyway nor later after the world was reshaped. Still, sounds alot like being 'reborn'. Maybe 'healing' is not so diffrent. With the 'beings that needed no halls', you made me think of how Yaweh appeared to the Chosen People. In a form that they could understand yet be sheilded from His absolute awe. Shadows on the wall of a primative creature's mental cave, only hinting at their true shapes within the blinding Light. Then, there is that moment Earendil hands over the jewel to Yavanna and apologizes for Beren and Luthien not getting the other two. What a hobbit moment! 'Course, this Lady is not like that other one. Thank goodness. But, once again the elemental power is recognized and there is an acknowledgement that the moral judgment on how to use it resides the hands of sentient beings with motives of their own. Time does flow differently in different places and circumstance - especially for the Valar and Eldar as compared to Men - and you have used that very well in this entire tale. The benevolance of the Valar was well done too. Earendil's and Elwing's humble obedience is virtuous instead of being manipulated under false pretenses of concern about the fate of Arda or from a simple arrogance as the greatest beings in Arda. It has been interesting to see Earendil sanctified by the Simaril's light. Changed in spirit, but not changed in heart. You make me think he would have always been a good, dedicated person essentially like Voronwe or Finrod. And never like Turgon or Fingolfin. Like Frodo and Faramir, not Boromir or Denethor. The ending reminded me that this is Memorial Day and of all the families whose tradition of service over their genereations have burdened them with the loss of their beloved children. I wish I could have reviewed this chapter earlier then today. But, RL being what it is and with my slow writing pace... I sometimes think time runs differently around me too. You hares are zipping past by me like bmws on the freeway. ;) Anyway, another great, wonderfully written, chapter. I look forward to the next - and a happy ending.
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Thank you. You make it sound as if I was being clever when I put various things together rather than just feeling it! Because, really, it's quite tricky putting some of the more epic ideas into the hands of real people. Why would the Valar choose to make a half-elf/half-man into a star? And the Silmarillion isn't too specific on a lot of answers. The Valar are benevolent on a universal scale, I think, but not perhaps too concerned about individuals - except, every now and then, when one comes to their attention. But you know what they say about whom the gods love . . . I thought there might be another two chapters, but I think now that it might only be one. Maybe an epilogue, but I'm not sure. But the next chapter feels sort of like a conclusion to the main story. I'm glad you liked the chapter! Author Reply: There's never any going back. Whatever. All the 'You can't pass over the same bridge twice' stuff. You're not the same person when you revisit the past - and neither is the place you want to go. I'll stop before I depress myself further.
elliska · 28 May 2005 · Chapter 10: Before the Valar
I know this sound less powerful since I say it every chapter, but I sincerely mean it--this is absolutely wonderful. The way you describe the Valar in this (and your description in general) is pure poetry of which I am truly jealous. Some favorite lines: I could not believe that it would do my cause any good if I were to fall on my face before them and gibber incoherently. for the humour of it. ‘I felt like a sparrow confronted by eagles. Outranked, outmatched, outshone, outdone.’ What a perfect simile. I loved it. They were – he hesitated – the halls of beings that needed no halls. Simple and so powerful. I loved the portrayal of Eärendil making his plea--the way you showed his emotions was wonderful. That was it--loved that--too true and well done. And of course I loved seeing him turn over the Simaril. He had to, I think, and I liked how you made it happen. And, though I am hard pressed to name a favorite part, it might be Elwing's description of her time with the Teleri. I like the idea of her telling Olwe about his brother (the good parts, especially). I'm happy to know that he got to hear it and I liked the idea that they found healing there and later Celebrian did. How pathetic is it that I cried at the part where they chose their fates and learned that their sons were still alive to be offered the choice too? I loved the description of Vingilot and Eärendil initially thinking it would not be as satisfying as the open sea and Elwing thinking it more beautiful than the sun and moon. But of course the part I liked the best was the vision of Elrond with his sons, watching it each night and Eärendil watching them back. Needless to say, I cried again when I read that Arwen looks at Eärendil with Eldarion. That is too tragic, as you showed, because there is no hope of a reunion there. If anything shows the difficulty of the choice--the fact that it is not a gift but a doom--it is that image. So sad. But hopeful too. At least Arwen and her children do have that connection. Really well done, Bodkin! I love this story!
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I am so glad you are continuing to enjoy it. It is fun doing the jigsaw here of putting in the bits from the Silmarillion and teasing them apart to add more from Earendil and Elwing. Tricky on occasion. (Did you know just how far Elwing gets put away from Alqualonde and the inhabited portions of Valinor?) I think Earendil had to be willing to surrender the Silmaril - because only in sacrifice could he get to bear it. He saw himself as a custodian of something that belonged to all. The complete opposite of Feanor, really. And who better to give it to than the Valar? Seeing Elwing with the Teleri made me happy. I'm not terribly happy with her fate in the Silmarillion really. Sounds romantic, but I think it's cruel. I would much rather she had been able to spend her time with her kin - I reckon it would have helped the Teleri as much as it would her. Elrond and his children watching Earendil as he watched them is romantic, too, but not as good as being there with them. Better than nothing, though - as is watching Arwen. No. No hope of reunion while Arda lasts. But they will be together beyond the end of days. Two more chapters, probably. I hope they work for you, too.
Elena Tiriel · 28 May 2005 · Chapter 10: Before the Valar
I am truly enjoying this story, Bodkin. I like how you work out how the characters must be feeling and thinking - like Eärendil being willing to give up the Silmaril - when Tolkien just didn't give us much information on their interior life. - Barbara
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I am glad you like it! I thought - what is the difference between Earendil and Feanor when it comes to the Silmaril - and decided that the willingness to sacrifice something for the greater good had to be a major part of the difference between them. (Whereas Feanor was willing to sacrifice the greater good for a thing.) Also that the connection between Earendil and the Silmaril he had borne might have been an element in the Valar's decision as to what to do with him. I am enjoying writing this, but I think it's close to its end now. Perhaps two more chapters.
Elvenesse · 28 May 2005 · Chapter 10: Before the Valar
I'd never thought of that before; but I like the idea of Elwing and Celebrian being together, mourning the children they may never see again. The same of Elrond and Eärendil - father and son both losing a child to mortality. *ouch* I very much like the way you portray the Valar: great and powerful, but definitely not human. I have real trouble with them - I hate the way they abandon Men, and Middle-earth, and the exiles. I suppose the way they measure time is to the elves as the elves' measurement of time is to men. So maybe it is simply that those three Ages are almost nothing to them. I like the idea that Eärendil can see Arwen and the line of Kings to come.
Author's reply
It's one of the really good side-effects of writing this - suddenly something just hits you and a whole new layer appears. Elwing and Earendil can't really be parents to Elrond - he's x thousand years old now and doesn't need a nana and ada, but they share a bond that no-one else does (with a sort of Melian-the-Maia exception). That in itself must make them close. The Valar are difficult - they have a touch of classical god about them, although they are rather less brattish - and I can't relate much to the way they just let Morgoth get on with it, so I think they have to be working on a different plane. Able to focus intently for a century on a single bloom, but not able to see how a bitter winter can affect mortal creatures. Caring, but in a distant kind of way. I wanted there to be some point to Earendil sailing Vingilot across the sky - although again, it seems a bit of a Valar-ish good plan for the War of Wrath followed by a 'what do you mean, he has been doing it without a break for over two ages? What is an age to an elf?' If Earendil is not to expire from the sheer boredom of it, I thought he had to be able to see something of what was happening - and I like him being able to see his granddaughter. Thank you for commenting.
daw the minstrel · 28 May 2005 · Chapter 10: Before the Valar
It's interesting to see the parallel between the Silmarils and the Ring of Power, both of which apparently took hold in the bearer's heart and became hard to surrender. Lovely moment at the end between the two mothers whose children are lost to them. The Valar look both kind and unfathomable, maybe even capricious by human standards, but then, I guess that's too bad for us.
Author's reply
Maybe it's the old 'all power corrupts' bit. I had to think that Earendil was willing to surrender it - because only then would he be able to bear it through the pathless void. And then, the effect of the Silmaril on him has to have changed him - made him more suitable for a Higher Destiny stuff. In the Blessed Realm, only Celebrian, Elwing and Melian - perhaps they should get to know each other - have children lost to mortality. And only Celebrian and Elwing know what it is to wait long centuries in the hope of reunion with other children. It's an understanding that should bring them close. The Valar are working on a whole other agenda, I think, and a completely different timescale. Even compared to elves. Have a good break.
Redheredh · 23 May 2005 · Chapter 9: Forbidden Shores
I have just now finished reading this chapter. And I will probably read it again after I post this. But, where to start with a review? Oh dear, I know it is a disgraceful cop-out but I always like what elliska has to say and how eloquently she says it. I find myself nodding and saying 'Yes, brilliantly said!'. There are a only a few other things that I'll add to her remarks on this chapter. Voronwe is wonderful as usual. Your writing is wonderful as usual. Your telling of this story continues to be wonderful - as usual. You brought out a greater wonder for the Silmaril in me as you described its changing, increasing light. There was one question raised along with all those of love, sacrifice, justice and revenge I particularly liked. Elrond asks whether the Noldor noticed the difference between Aman and Beleriand. He ponders asking Galadriel and how she might answer him. I loved this being in juxaposition to Celebrian asking Earendil how it felt to become Calaquendi. His answer makes me think the same sort of thing happened with the Noldor Calaquendi's slow dissipation. No one noticed the change in themselves for a long time. "And if they have the courage to challange Morgoth for the other two jewels, then we can hope that his revenge on them will be long-drawn-out and unpleasant." Aerandir makes a good doomsman too. Another great part in a marvelous whole.
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I'm so glad you are enjoying it! There are moments when I feel quite sorry for Feanor's sons. And then I think - what on earth made them undertake the Second and Third Kinslayings? But I don't like unending dooms and eternal suffering - even though they should have had enough moral courage to decide that their father was wrong, the oath was wrong and they should simply stop. A very enjoyable part of telling history through lots of conversation is the opportunity to muse about things for which you don't then have to provide a definitive answer! I wonder whether long-term Silmaril exposure is partly why the Valar wanted to keep Earendil - and make him a star. (I hadn't until I was writing this chapter.) Not so much his half-elvenness, but more his intense exposure to the light of the Two Trees. I think there will only be two more chapters. Unless they talk so much it makes three. Thank you for commenting.
Ellie · 23 May 2005 · Chapter 9: Forbidden Shores
This was excellent! Very full of emotion and very well written. Especailly loved the bit about Elrond secretly being glad that his ada abandoned the fate of Arda to try to save him. Can't wait for more!
Author's reply
Thank you very much! I'm glad you enjoyed it. In some ways the bits where you have to keep the Silmarillion in front of you all the time are more tricky, but in some ways it makes it simpler. Elrond has had over two ages of being brave and understanding, but it must be heart-warming to know that your world-saving parents are able to feel that you are more important. More soon. Perhaps two more chapters.
elliska · 22 May 2005 · Chapter 9: Forbidden Shores
I had to go back and reread Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath before I left a review. Bodkin this is so incredibly good. In truth, that chapter of the Silm (like too many others) is really just an outine--what you've done to flesh it out really makes it so much better. I read this and reread the chap, as I said, and the Silm really looks very pitiful now compared to this. Here is where the way you have done this--having Eärendil tell this tale to Elrond and Celebrian--really pays off. I felt so good for poor Elrond when he learns that Eärendil turned back for him. All the effort he had certainly made to justify his father's absence was now no longer necessary. I so loved that. And I loved the discussion on the ship--especially the part where they discuss why the Silm came to him. Use it well, my lord loved that. And the advice that he be willing to give it up--I remember reading somewhere (one of the letters maybe, I can't think of it right now) Tolkien saying that was exactly the problem--unwillingness to give things up, the evil of hoarding somthing for oneself at the expense of others as opposed to fellowship and being willing to sacrifice for others. That theme was even in the Silm. and you portrayed it really well in that dialogue. ‘No loyalty to liege lord excuses what happened at Alqualondë. What happened in Doriath – in Sirion. There are times when each must make a stand, even should it be at the cost of his own life. Better to be foresworn and offer yourself to your lord’s vengeance than do what you know is wrong.’ That was one of my favorite lines--so true and written with such wonderful language. But as I said earlier the part of this that amazed me the most was the part that is most directly from the Silm--when they land, leave the ship and Eärendil goes to seek the Valar--that was just so well written. You used some of the dialogue from the Silm and took the two or three sentences Tolkien wrote outside the dialogue (And he went up alone into the land, and came into the Calacirya, and it seemed to him empty and silent; for even as Morgoth and Ungoliant came in ages past, so now Eärendil had come at a time of festival, and wellnigh all the Elvenfolk were gone to Valimar, or were gathered in the halls of Manwë upon Taniquetil, and few were left to keep watch upon the walls of Tirion. not much there) and made them really come to life. I won't be able to read this part of the Silm again without imagining it the way you described it. And then I read the last line and I just groaned. You and your subtle and just frustrating little cliffhangers that you seem to be getting so good at recently. I am really dying to hear the answer to that question. You have really done an incredible job with this whole thing--taking the outline Tolkien put in the Silm and really making it come to life. This is one of the best 'gap fillers' that I have ever read. It's really more than a gap filler because it tells a story about which Tolkien only wrote a few lines. I just love it.
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Oh goodness. I'm blushing. I've spent so much time on about three pages of the Silmarillion here - it's great actually, because there is very little said that it give plenty of room for expansion. Some of the difficulty comes with the bits that have to be lifted and used. (There's something Earendil says in the next chapter that really grates. But it has to go in because he said it.) Tolkien's writing has quite a biblical tone here - and I'm trying to avoid sounding too Authorised Version, but it can be tricky to make the actual words slightly less formal. Tolkien saying that was exactly the problem--unwillingness to give things up, the evil of hoarding somthing for oneself at the expense of others as opposed to fellowship and being willing to sacrifice for others. I didn't know that! But it is what comes out when you think about the characters who dealt with the Silmarils and those who were obsessed by them as opposed to those who weren't. In a way, the honour and principles thing is what comes into my head when thinking about Finarfin. It must have been incredibly difficult to do what he did - and it required maturity and self-sacrifice - and not minding that he looked a wuss in comparison to the defiant warriors. Just that he felt it was right. If Feanor's Noldor had just told him 'no' when his fury led him into indefensible acts, then so much would never have happened. The next chapter is more or less done - it just needs a lot of rereading and refining. I'm so pleased you like this. It makes me want to go away and write some more. (If only I didn't have to go to work.)