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Neath Anor, Ithil, and Gil  by Larner 11 Review(s)
AntaneReviewed Chapter: 14 on 1/6/2008
Catching up a little on some stories I missed...

Frodo's mercy to Saruman shows indeed that he's 'grown much' and his desire to protect those he loved from the terrible ordeals, mentally, physically and spiritually, he endured. He knows on a very intimate level how it is to be raped by evil and recognizes a kindred soul in Smeagol and a wounded one also in Saruman and wants healing for them. And this forgiveness of Saruman after he's just been almost murdered by him too! Do I love this little one or what? :)

Namarie, God bless, Antane :)

Author Reply: Frodo had received so much grace--I truly believe he felt compelled to extend that same grace to others, although he apparently had somehow convinced himself that if these others could not come back to what they had been intended to be, the same might well prove true of himself as well. A worthy one indeed.

Queen GaladrielReviewed Chapter: 14 on 12/22/2007
Ah, very interesting. I don’t think I’ve ever read a story of the edict actually being considered and decided upon. I love seeing the effect even the tale of these events has on everyone!
God bless,
Galadriel


Author Reply: It has been of interest to me to figure out how it came to be that Aragorn decreed the ban. And I do suspect there was a sort of trial period for it before it was ratified seven years after the fall of Sauron.

And all have been touched by what started there within the Shire.

Linda HoylandReviewed Chapter: 14 on 12/15/2007
A good explanation into the reasoning behind the ban on Men entering the Shire.

Author Reply: Am so glad you find it so, Linda. There had to be some reason why Aragorn would consider such an extreme ban.

Baggins BabeReviewed Chapter: 14 on 12/12/2007
I love the detail in your stories, Larner, and this was an interesting look at how the ban may have come about.

Author Reply: Thanks. As long as the details don't seem burdensome!


SurgicalSteelReviewed Chapter: 14 on 12/11/2007
Nice, logical explanation for that ruling.

Author Reply: Am so glad you feel it's logical. I was certainly trying for this! Heh!

Thanks, SS. Glad your life is settling down some.

Theresa GreenfalconReviewed Chapter: 14 on 12/11/2007
Good logic for the ban on Men entering the Shire - nice chapter here.

T

Author Reply: Thank you, Theresa. The full ban was imposed, we're told, seven years later; that there might have been a test phase just seemed likely, as both Dreamflower and I have imagined.

harrowcatReviewed Chapter: 14 on 12/11/2007
What a great, clear and careful reasoning as to the whys, wherefores and hows of the ban. Great stuff Larner.

Certain 'foot in the mouth' Lords had better watch out though!

Last night off before Christmas so I'm supposed to be writing Christmas Cards! REading on SOA is my greatest procrastination!

Author Reply: Thanks for appreciating it, Harrowcat. Some will see much of it as merely retelling what WE already know, but this is how the Council would have come to know of what happened within the Shire, I think.

And, yes, some of the Lords DO need to realize that their King is watching them now.

As for procrastination--I'd be the president of the Procrastinator's Club--IF I'd only get my application sent. Of course, actually applying to join keeps you from acceptance, you know, as once the application is in, you're no longer procrastinating and have thus disqualified yourself. (Grin!)

KittyReviewed Chapter: 14 on 12/11/2007
Ah, I see – Canelmir of Bidwell has at least his use as a bad example for other Lords ;-)

So that was how the news from the Shire reached Gondor and how the protection of the Shire through the ban of Men was decided? I am impressed the suggestion didn’t come from Aragorn or Faramir, but from one of the other Lords. Wise man. And of course I am still of the opinion Sam, Merry and Pippin should include Aragorn and Faramir in these who are allowed into the Shire – drag them in, if necessary ;-) Anyway, this permission is something I think very useful. To allow at least some trustworthy men in would do a lot of good to show the Hobbits that not all Men are bad. They probably need truly some years to recover from the Troubles, but later?


Author Reply: Well, I had to leave some means for Ruvemir to be admitted to the Shire, didn't I? And so it was he received the Royal Warrant, and the Thain, Master, and Mayor were all begged to allow him entrance.

I'm certain that Canelmir wasn't the only questionable lord in Gondor, and that there were those even on the Council who might have questioned the acceptability of the King at times early in his reign. And of course Denethor had to have taught Thorongil some things during that sojourn in Gondor.

I, too, think that the Hobbits should have insisted Aragorn and Faramir should have free access to visit the Shire, but have always felt that Aragorn would not hold others to a greater standard than himself and would have refused to break his own ban, and that Faramir would have followed Aragorn's lead.

Thanks so for the feedback, Kitty.

Pearl TookReviewed Chapter: 14 on 12/11/2007
Most Excellently Well Done Larner!

I can imagine just such meeting/council happening and with exactly that progression of thoughts and comments.

Wonderful!

Author Reply: Yes, there must have been some debate of the question, Pearl.

Thanks so for the feedback!

AndreaReviewed Chapter: 14 on 12/11/2007
We Men with our swords and great self-conceit so often make such a wreck of that we say we wish to see made better. Certainly with the encouragement of Curunír this Lotho appears to have done likewise within the Shire ere all came crashing down about him.

Wise words of a wise man!
Of course Lotho's intentions were only the best, for the Shire AND for himself;-) But without Saruman's bad influence it would not have come to such terror. Hobbits are not like that!

I think it was a wise plan to ban Men from the Shire for a time. This time they needed to recover, not only the land, but also the people and to learn to trust again.

A fascinating conversation! Thank you, Larner!

P.S.: The title is spot-on!

Author Reply: Yes, a very wise one here. And without Saruman's influence it's likely that Lotho would have never gone as far as he did. I think he would still have bought Bag End and perhaps sought to suppress the Shire's inns; but as for seeking to make himself lord of all--well, without Saruman's Men he'd not have had a chance to succeed, I suspect. Although he still might have tried some of his actions--but that's a different might-have-been.

"To preserve and protect" is part of the oath of office all who take public office within the U.S. are supposed to swear; too bad some don't take that oath seriously, I fear.

Thank you so for the feedback, Andrea.

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