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The Prisoner and The Hobbit  by Dreamflower 40 Review(s)
TalullahReviewed Chapter: 11 on 2/17/2015
Awww! I read everything so far in one afternoon, only to find out it has stopped being updated. I was really loving this, both sides, the human Sauron, with all his issues, and the spot on Bilbo. It was a lovely story and I will probably read Ancestress and stories from the Pand!verse as soon as I have cleared a bit my to read list. I hope you gals return to this story sometime. It is really interesting and captivating.

Author Reply: Never fear! Although on hiatus now, it is NOT abandoned. It's just that pandemonium has had a heck of a busy time for a while now; she has a high-pressure job that has usurped a lot of her fandom time. Even so, we are still in communication over the story, and the "D.M" (Dark Muse) as she calls her Sauron muse, has certainly been mulling over his reply to Mr. Baggins!

I'm very glad you have enjoyed it so far. It was seemingly a crack idea when Pande approached me about it, but it turned out to be a really engrossing story for both of us to work on, as well as the fact that each of us surprises the other as we go.

Thanks for reading and reviewing--it's much appreciated!

AleiTheLeafReviewed Chapter: 11 on 9/23/2012
I'm with Kaylee and must SQUEE at this new chapter! I've been wondering when a new one would come! So happy!
Anyway, I love pretty much everything about this chapter, from Sauron and Finrod's interaction to Frodo answering Sauron and everything!
Awaiting more with bated breath!
Yours,
~AleitheLeaf

Author Reply: I kind of loved Sauron's part, as well!

And Frodo just had to answer--he figured if he did not write all his "thank you" notes, Aunt Dora would haunt him (and he was probably right). But he really did like the gift, and he really has pretty much gotten over the Ring at this particular point in time. So he has no more reason to hold a grudge. I don't think he would ever feel like being the former Lord of the Rings' buddy or anything--it would still be a little awkward, but he does hold out hope for him.

Raksha The DemonReviewed Chapter: 11 on 9/21/2012
A great chapter! Loved the Finrod/Sauron interaction and would like to see more of it, the way Finrod gets under Sauron's skin in the nicest way possible. And Bilbo's reaction is so honest and hugely happy, it brought smiles to my face. Frodo's response was also quite moving. The hobbits certainly had a memorable birthday!

Author Reply: I'm enjoying Finrod's interaction with Sauron as well--I never know what pandemonium's Dark Muse will come up with next! But I love her Finrod!

Bilbo is thrilled, and Frodo's quite happy too! It was truly memorable, and they are going to have a great time! (Also, I am wondering how long it will take the Elves to decide they want golf clubs as well!)

LarnerReviewed Chapter: 11 on 9/21/2012
Yes, only a typical mortal, after all! Love the insistence the former DL use his original name. Mairon, I believe?

Author Reply: Yep. I think it confused poor Bilbo a bit-- he wasn't quite sure how to open the letter, but played it safe and went with what he was accustomed to, but acknowledging that he'd change if that's what his "pen pal" wanted.

And I think that Frodo's impulse to amusement is more a nod to his mischievous side than a wish to inflict discomfort on his old adversary. At this point in time, Frodo has finally thrown off the lingering effects of the Ring, and with it his anger. And I am sure that aside, he'd be very curious to see the reaction to his letter.

Kaylee ArafinwielReviewed Chapter: 11 on 9/20/2012
NEW CHAPTER OMIGOSH!!!!!!!!!!!! *squee*

There, now that's out of the way :D

I really loved this! Especially Frodo's thank-you note, and there was this:

"Re-write it, but sign it with your other name."

"What? Gorthaur?"

"No, and not Annatar either, although that would be accurate enough. Your first name."

"You have a lot of nerve!"

"So I do, and I have also enough nerve to tell you it is no good to keep up with this self-flagellation by insisting that you are called by a name that you hated." Finrod pointed to the golf clubs neatly arranged in their bags, propped up in the grass. "Besides, this is a generous and admirable act on your part. Worthy of the name you were first known by. Rewrite it and sign it...properly this time."

Sauron extracted another piece of vellum, duplicated his words, and signed as Finrod demanded. He caught the approving smile that Olrin shot toward the elf-man. He gritted his teeth, and the shackles warmed. Both wizard and elf were incorrigible.


Ha! And so they are. I love Finrod here, and you know how I love Olorin! Well done, both of you!

I look forward to seeing more of Bilbo and D.L. *Mairon* in the future!

Kaylee Arafinwiel

Author Reply: Thanks! This was a really fun exchange and we so wanted to have it up for this special weekend!

6336Reviewed Chapter: 10 on 6/9/2012
Well had to go back and reread the last chapter to figure out what had upset Bilbo so much. There are paralells to Annatar's love of his wife and daughter in R.L. also to his expectation of their loyalty to him. There are plenty of children out there who would wish they could divorce themselves from their parents, especially their fathers. It smacks a bit of they're mine so they will do what I tell them.

Eonwe does seem to come across as a bit of a prig, also a little two faced, do as I say not as I do, with regard to begetting children! I don't however, think that having a child made Sauron any less evil. Having a child does not make you a saint. The saying 'Any Man can be a father but it takes someone special to be a dad.' is very true.

History is always being rewritten to suit the notions of the present generation, look at the number of people who claim the Holocaust never happened.

I did enjoy this chapter, though I only seem to have commented on certain aspects of it, Sauron seems to be something of a traditionalist when it comes to golf clubs, though I do believe they are using carbon fibre shafts now.

Huggs,
Lynda



Author Reply: Yes, it did smack of that. And you are right: having a family does not make a person a saint. Look at how many genocidal dictators were fond of their wives and children, how many serial killers were thought to be good sons or loved their dogs. And you are right about the "mine" part-- it figures strongly in many cases of parents who killed their kids rather than lose them in a custody battle or to the state.

I am not 100% sure, but I think the point Eonwe made was that his mate was another Maia. Because she preferred the form of an Eagle that's how they had their children. But Sauron married one of the Firstborn. Of course, so did Melian and so far as I know Eonwe's not condemning her. (And of course in "my" universe, a Maia married one of the Secondborn.)

Sauron was impressed with the carbon fibre shafts, but he wisely thought it might confuse the hobbits. (I think he was right as regards Bilbo-- Bilbo would be very much a traditionalist on such a thing. I'm not sure about Frodo.)

pandemonium_213Reviewed Chapter: 10 on 6/9/2012
Thanks so much, Sunny, Raksha (who, whenever we take our perambulations, asks "When will we see the next chapter?" :^D), Larner, Kaylee, and Alei, for having a read and for the comments. Very much appreciated.

Enw might have a priggish streak, but he's more than that, I think. Larner nailed it with the exasperation he feels toward someone he might regard as "family." Both of these fellows (Sauron and Enw) have a lot of pride that gets in their way.

On eagles - bear in mind they are also noble symbols of other nations and empires, some of which we hold in honor. Enw's activities as a raptor might give a nod to Zeus' proclivities, but at least Enw monogamously sticks to his own species per his fana du jour. ;^)

Kaylee and Alei, please allow me to SQUEE that you picked up on the identity of the patriot/Kinslayer/slaveowner. That's the point of my whole conceit of this alternative branch to "the line of Lthien." These descendants are brilliant, inventive people, but they often have a dark side and/or have brought forth ideas that shake the status quo and are not received well by all.

Bilbo's response is fascinating (I thoroughly enjoyed reading of his history) and has certainly piqued the Dark Muse's interest in a big way ("Belladonna Took? Who is this Belladonna Took?"). Now as far as responding goes, his gaoler (that would be me) tends to get terribly preoccupied with work-related writing, not to mention the DM's proclivities that have resulted in about a gazillion WIPs. Hence, the time between chapters may be longish. That said, Dreamflower and I have discussed just what we want to do over the next couple of chapters or so, and this may align with "Ancestress."

Thanks again!

AleiTheLeafReviewed Chapter: 10 on 6/9/2012
I've been waiting for the next chapter! So happy the story is still going on!
And I liked the reintroduction of Eonwe, I remember his characterization from Pande's other stories and think of his character as an interesting adversary to Sauron's mindset. They aren't really foils to one another, but their way of thinking and approaching situations definitely varies (and almost makes Sauron seem more subtle and direct at the same time, if that's even possible). Anyway, I really like how Sauron is making golf clubs for the hobbits, it seems like an apology of sorts.
The parallels between Sauron telling about his life and Bilbo then telling Sauron about his was an interesting type of juxtaposition and definitely gave more weight to their correspondence. This, along with the opposing meanings of Sauron's former and current name, almost seem like a puzzle for Bilbo (I liked his reaction to discovery that as well). In a way, Sauron and Bilbo are foils to one another but alike in their search for knowledge. It's cool. ^^
And I knew it was Thomas Jefferson! (just looked up the quote and guessed correctly)
Yours,
~AleiTheLeaf
p.s. sorry if that didn't entirely make sense, I just enjoyed a lot of this chapter and don't always know how to fit it all in.

Kaylee ArafinwielReviewed Chapter: 10 on 6/9/2012
"History, or the future", indeed...talk about time paradoxes! Well, I suppose being 'not of this world' but rather outside it...somewhat more literally as Aman was removed when the world was bent...they can't know, can they? Heh! Interesting, if disturbing, that Eonwe's descendants would be associated with the Third Reich. And then there was the unnamed 'Kinslayer' who 'incited rebellion against the king'...well, it was very clever to leave only a quote I hadn't learned as a hint to his identity, I must say.

I found myself hating the unidentified man for the association with Feanaro and Sauron, the slave-owning, the horrific quality of the words, and then...well, I could have slapped myself when I actually Googled the quote and found the identity of the speaker. One of our greatest patriots indeed, and one of my father's heroes! What a tangled web this is, lol! Very "It Makes Sense In Context" here, to quote an oft-used phrase on TVTropes.

Well done ladies, and I bow to your crafting of this brilliant chapter!

Kaylee Arafinwiel

LarnerReviewed Chapter: 10 on 6/8/2012
Had to reread the last chapter to bring myself back up to speed on this. So, both are having to realign their thoughts to keep the correspondence going. And the experience with Eonwe sounds--disturbing. I can certainly empathize with the Herald's frustrations, as I feel them toward too many of my own family menbers.

Hope the next chapter is soon forthcoming!

Author Reply: Yes, they've got to re-trench a little. Sauron's decided to be a little less forthcoming (or thinks he has) and Bilbo has decided to be a little more forthcoming!

Yes, it was disturbing-- for both of them. Eonwe feels guilty because it was his brief moment of gloating that kept Sauron from surrendering to the Valar, or so he thinks. I am not sure that Sauron still believes that anymore, but at the time it angered him.

With a collaboration it usually takes longer to get a new chapter up as two people have to find the time to get it together; but I am hopeful the next one will be sooner rather than later!

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