It's been a long while since I had soap in my eyes, but as I recall it
stung tremendously and the only relief came from buckets of clean fresh water
to rinse my eyes. Otherwise, your story was quite delightful and your style
of writing very easy to read!
Idhreniel
· 23 April 2006
· Chapter 8: Expectations--Part One
Terrible cliff!!! Please don't kill me with curiosity!!!
Great, great to read from you again Elliska! I needed to have some good reading and your fic provided me with that. I love this chapter. My favorite line definetelly was Thranduil muttering to himself that those elfings, sons of probably more creepy elves, were stupid - to say in few words!!! He is just the best. I like the way he and Lindomiel raise Legolas.
Thank you for the update!
Hugs,
Author's reply
Hi Idhreniel! Great to hear from you again too! I know the cliffie was mean--I did try to wait to post it until I was sure I could get the next chapter posted quickly, so you shouldn't have too long to wait. I'm glad you enjoyed this chapter and that line. I liked it too--had fun writing it. Thranduil is great, isn't he. I just love him. :-)
Thanks so much for the review!
Bodkin
· 23 April 2006
· Chapter 8: Expectations--Part One
Are you sure 'Galithil' doesn't mean 'own worst enemy'? Legolas picks up instantly on facial expression and body language and knows exactly when to hang his head and when to be sincere. Genuinely, too. He's just responsive. Galithil, au contraire, is responsive in a totally different way - he responds by challenging. He is brave, though - and caring and willing to risk himself for others. It wouldn't surprise me particularly if he were to jump down from his tree to try to save the elleth.
Thranduil does have a point about Legolas not listening to conversations - after all, he never knows quite what topic will be absorbing the adults who surround him. I'm glad the elflings are behaving sensibly - even if it is causing Galithil much pain. I hope he hasn't lifted Dolgailon's knife. It would be a very stupid thing to do.
The food shortage is worrying - but at least it gave the elflings a chance to get out in the forest and pick some nice healthy greens. Noruil and Anastor are a complete blot, though - hardly surprising when you see the way their mothers behave. Two families that could do with some intensive rehabilitation there!
And isn't it just typical that the very moment that the mothers let the elflings out of sight something goes wrong!
Author's reply
LOL! That must be the secret Silvan meaning. :-) And you are quite right about Galithil, in many ways, as you will see. I think Galithil is smart and naturally challenges what he disagrees with. That would be tough for a parent, I imagine. Legolas is curious enough to be a challenge too, but you're right that at least he is a little more aware of consequences.
Noruil and Anastor are definitely a product of their parents. I agree they need some rehabilitation, but the parents there are pretty set in their ways at this age. Not a good thing for anyone involved. Though in the long run, you can learn from a negative example too.
Yes, poor Lindomiel--she was just trying to let them have a little fun. Not going to work as she had hoped.
Thanks so much for the review, Bodkin!
daw the minstrel
· 23 April 2006
· Chapter 8: Expectations--Part One
A cliff hanger ending? Tsk, tsk, Elliska! What's gotten into you?
I was happy to see this chapter and enjoyed reading it. Sounds like Legolas is gradually learning some lessons about things like eavesdropping anyway, but I despair of Galithil. I notice he didn't actually say he didn't have his brother's knife.
Author's reply
:-) I was happy to finally find time to get this chapter out--hopefully I timed it right so that nothing at work will get in the way of the next part, else I will feel bad about the cliff hanger.
I think Galithil's family despair at times too. You are quite right that he didn't really answer Dolgailon--pity Dolgailon didn't catch that. Obviously if a lesson is learned here, it is going to be learned the hard way. Poor kids.
Thanks so much for the reviews, daw!
perelleth
· 23 April 2006
· Chapter 8: Expectations--Part One
Hey!
What happened there! How you dare! *Growls boarlike*
Poor Galithil. I cannot help wincing every time he has an interaction with a member of his family. It is funny, how Araduronn can be mistaking the approach, when he is likely to have been the same bundle of energy and apparent rebelliousness in his childhood, but then, that was so long ago... ;-) And Dolgailon is not being more successful... Experience is the only way with such children, but at times it is so hard to allow them room for their own mistakes.
Galithil is now bottling up so much that he is likely to explode in the worst manner. Poor thing. I smiled when they began running free, and annoying the girls for the sake of it... very springy.
And poor Legolas, "spying" on his parents and then being caught, and lectured by adar even if protected by nana.. LOL! Thranduil sounded truly, coldly, almost scaringly annoyed! I wonder what he would say if he knew that the children had been spying his audience with the dwarf! Educating a bunch of elflings is not a minor task!
Now, seriously, you are not intending to let us here for too long, are you? Is Dolgailon knife appearing here? I am shuddering at the very thought!
Good chapter elliska!
Author's reply
Hehe! I at least waited to post this until I was fairly certain I'd be able to get the next chapter up quickly.
I imagine Galithil's family members wince when they have interactions with him too. I think he would be the hardest sort of child to raise. I think he and his father are probably a little too much alike and that is driving Aradunnon nuts.
And poor Legolas. His father would be furious if he knew the elfling had found that door into the throne room. I'm glad you thought of that as you read that part. I laughed about it myself.
Thanks so much for the review!
Nilmandra
· 23 April 2006
· Chapter 8: Expectations--Part One
There are terrible punishments for authors who leave us hanging, not knowing if an INNOCENT child is about to die.
Unfortunately, the boar might be thinking she looks like a good meal next to aspargus too. What a lesson for her brother to learn.. .and all the children.
I liked this chapter. Your dialogue flowed very naturally - I think you do well writing conflict! The children are believable.. Galithil especially with his orneriness. I did finish your earlier story (still need to write a review) so I have a better understanding of who all these characters are.. and yeah, a bit headstrong runs in that one's blood. His parents must despair that he will grow up, while reminding themselves that Oropher at least made it to adulthood.
Legolas is trying hard at diplomacy even at this young age. Lalfien and Eregdeth should learn a little of that. I suspect Lindomiel will sorely regret allowing the children to race ahead. :(
Author's reply
There are terrible punishments for authors who leave us hanging, not knowing if an INNOCENT child is about to die.
Hehehe! Coming from the site owner, no less!! I think I'd better pay attention. ;-) Seriously, I've been hesitating to post this, knowing it was a cliffhanger and how unstable my schedule is. But I won't leave it hanging too long, I promise.
And I am so relieved the dialogue seemed to flow in this. The girl that had been beta'ing this story for me for all this time is even busier at work than I am and simply does not have time for anything anymore. This is the first chapter that I've posted without hearing her thoughts first. Made me a little nervous.
And these kids! I think it would have been tough to be a parent in Oropher's family. :-)
Thanks so much for the review!
perelleth
· 28 February 2006
· Chapter 7: Ents and Elven Princes
Great to see an update! I was wondering about this tale for long, yet i know that life is unconsiderately busy.. as you well know..( and what could I say about the time it took me to review?)
I loved the subject. Legolas' reaction about the ents in LOTR("Every Elf has heard the tale of old onodrim...") always made me wonder about waht songs and tales and fables elflings would learn in their childhood.. and this "lesson" was very real...pity the peaceful moment ended with the discussion about silvan and sindar and Denethor's deeds. NOruil and Anastor are quite conmptemtuous and a bit prejudiced, apart form top mischief doers... shall galithil escape their provocations ?
I loved the exchange between Galithil and Dolgailon. Having such a grown up and exemplarly behaved elf as an elder brother is making life unduly difficult for poor Galithil.His father has not been trained in rearing a mischievous elfling, and surely Araduronn has long forgotten his own mischief and restlessness as a chid... I can only simpathize with this bundle of energy...will he be ok in the end, please, pretty please? :-)
Author's reply
Life is just very rude these days--don't people realize how important time for fanfiction is! ;-)
Yes, I liked Legolas's reaction to Fangorn Forest in general and I wanted to begin playing with that a bit. Woodelves had to have nice relations with Ents. Anastor and Noruil are contemptuous indeed--the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree in that respect. And surely you don't think Galithil will escape them. Of course he won't. They are exactly the type to attract his attention.
And Dolgailon, Galithil and Aradunnon--I laugh at those three. Poor Aradunnon. He is learning more respect for his father. Ok in the end? Depends on how long term you define end--afterall, all Elves go to Valinor eventually. Sorry--I'm in a teasing mood this morning.
Glad to hear from you, perelleth. Thanks so much for the review!
The Karenator
· 23 February 2006
· Chapter 7: Ents and Elven Princes
I'm so sorry I've fallen behind in reviewing. Lots of stuff going on around this part of the Southern Realm. But you can be assured I'm always thrilled to see your update and read it as quickly as I can.
The Ents are a wonderful angle in this since we know Legolas was most interested in them a few...hundred years later. I got a chuckle out of Legolas wondering why his grandfather had passed up such an opportunity as going to see the ents when his brother went. To a kid I guess this was a version of: What were you thinking?
Call me suspicious, but I think I'd watch the little whelps, Anastor and Noruil. They've got the look of trouble that goes beyond childhood misadventures. Makes you wonder what they're hearing at home. But as I've said a million times before, you're the master of political intrigue. I suspect you of setting us up all the time! Delighted by it though...even if I'm looking in the wrong corner.
I'm looking forward to the next chapter. Terrific chapter. Cute elflings and intrigue. What more could a girl want?
Karen
Author's reply
Hi Karen. Things are indeed absurdly busy, aren't they. I'm sorry to be so long in replying to your review.
I love the Ents and I really love the part where Legolas rides closer to the forest to see the eyes with Gimli all the while begging him not to go further. So I had to work some reference to that into this story. :-) And yes, Legolas thought his beloved daeradar must have lost his mind to pass up on a chance to speak to an Ent.
And I think you would be very wise to keep an eye on Anastor and Noruil. They will play a role in this story, along with their fathers, cauing trouble as they go. They are hearing nothing good at home, I assure you.
*Smiles innocently* Me...little old me, set you up? Surely not. ;-)
Thanks so much for the review, Karen. :-)
Dot
· 22 February 2006
· Chapter 7: Ents and Elven Princes
I'm back...
The opening made me smile. Dolgailon and Galithil need to just be brothers more often! The elflings are so sweet when they’re trying to wheedle someone into rescuing them from their punishment ;-) They must be cracking up by now. And a month is definitely long enough for them to have forgotten that it was their own fault… I was surprised Dolgailon admitted to them the reason he was kept in the capital, even if it was mostly to see their reaction – but that reaction was well worth it!
Of course, Galithil shouldn’t have lost his temper like that – that child needs to learn some patience! – but I can understand his frustration and really, I’d be inclined to agree that Dolgailon should have at least not kept reminding him that it was his own fault. Although I wouldn’t be quite so brave as Arthiel in stirring things between Thranduil and Amglaur!
And it seems Amglaur gets play daeradar! I love the image of him with elflings tucked under his arms :-) The lesson was fascinating. I particularly loved the story of the little Hobbit lass. It was poignant and sweet. It just struck me how old Tulus is! I don’t think I’d thought about that before… And I was intrigued by the story of young Denethor and the Ents. I can see why it would sound like a fable, but there’s a lot seems to have come out of it. I’d love to know more about what happened to Denethor. Of course, the Ents and Entwives fascinate me. I’m not sure I’d have the patience to have a conversation with one, though! It sounds like Legolas and his friends are very well educated. And taught to question and discuss too, which is very important. But I guess that the opinions and experiences and prejudices of the parents still come through at this age. At least Aewen seemed open to learning but it’s fairly clear that Anastor and Noruil’s parents are telling them things that they shouldn’t, or at least aren’t preventing them from hearing treasonous opinions. When are those elflings (and their parents!) going to get their comeuppance?! Still, though, every one of the elflings have impressed me with their debating skills at such a young age. And Rodonon will encourage that even more if he makes them look at sides other than their parents’ viewpoints. Poor things, more homework!
Legolas seems to be displaying more of his curiosity about the world outside the one he knows. Wait until Thranduil hears what Amglaur has just promised – he may have to find something to distract his excited son for now! But I don’t think Legolas ever gets there. Hmm, it could just be a case of someone putting his foot down or relations between Mirkwood and Lothlorien not being friendly enough by the time Legolas would be old enough to go there. I hope you’re not going to do something to Amglaur!
As always, I’m looking forward to more. And do we get to hear these songs?? :-)
Author's reply
:-) Dolgailon and Galithil do need more time just being brothers. I was thinking that myself when I was editing and that is why that opening part stayed in the story. And Galithil will be a long time in learning patience, much to the chagrin of the rest of his family. But the lesson, when he finally gets it, is very memorable. And Arthiel is just plain mischievous.
I'm glad you liked the story about the Hobbit lass. It actually reappears, much later in Legolas's life. I am intrigued by possible interactions between the Hobbits and the Silvan. I read a really good story by SilverMoonLady on OSA that makes reference to how fairy blood might have come into the Took line, and I loved it.
And the way children learn fascinated me. I think you can predict a lot about a child by how willing they are to question and investigate and think. Anastor and Noruil are not sterling examples of everything I would want my child to be. They will get their comeupance soon. The question is how will they react to it long term.
Wait until Thranduil hears what Amglaur has just promised Hehehe! I thought the same thing. I can't imagine Thranduil would particularly appreciate daeradar's promise nearly as much as Legolas did.
But I don’t think Legolas ever gets there. Hmm, it could just be a case of someone putting his foot down or relations between Mirkwood and Lothlorien not being friendly enough by the time Legolas would be old enough to go there. Nope it's not that simple. Does Amglaur, Amdir's brother, become King of Lothlorien or does someone else rule that realm when Amroth is lost? Sorry Dot, but this story gets very dark very soon now.
And do we get to hear these songs?? Oh those songs! Growl! I hate writing poetry sometimes. I am just so bad at it. I wrote a few little snippets of Legolas's song, but I don't know if I'll have the guts to post them.
Thank you so much for the review! I really appreciate people staying with this after such long delays. I intended to get another chapter up today, but work intervened, so now I am planning on tomorrow. Thanks again and Happy Birthday!
Dot
· 21 February 2006
· Chapter 7: Ents and Elven Princes
Elliska, I haven't abandoned your wonderful story! I seem to be playing catch-up a bit this week so I wanted to stop by and let you know I'm enjoying it immensely and will be back in the next few days with a review. I hope work is easing up on you a bit and all is well - I miss seeing you around! :-)
Author's reply
Thank you so much Dot. I am so behind in answering reviews, but this really made me smile. It also made me realize I should do this when I am behind in reviewing (as I seem to be chronically these days). I learn a lot from you. :-)
lwarren
· 20 February 2006
· Chapter 7: Ents and Elven Princes
I came into school early this morning just to catch up on my reading and saw this update - you could hear my screech of joy down the hall! :-) I was SO glad to see this chapter - the last I had read had Legolas and Co. permanently grounded - underground! LOL And still there, I see! This was a great chapter, full of interesting little asides and interactions. I liked the lecture Dolgalion received from his wife about standing up for his little brother...I suppose being so much older, he is completely in the dark about little things like that! The lesson under the trees was another very interesting event - with all manner is fascinating people showing up, from the trouble-making elf-turkeys via the moonbow incident to Tulus. I really like Tulus - I hope he can eventually prove himself to those around him. I really liked how you tied the story of the Ents to Legolas' interest in later years...and Amglaur's promise to take him to Lothlorien takes on ominous tones when one recalls that Legolas had never been there before when the Fellowship finally makes it there...especially as I don't see Amglaur as an elf to make promises lightly. *covers eyes* I don't want to know...no, don't tell me...ok, tell me...but make it quick!!! (how's that for back-door begging for the next chapter?) LOL All in all, what a great read, elliska!
linda
Author's reply
I am so sorry to be so long in replying (again). I am just so constantly behind.
I am glad to see you enjoyed the chapter. I am bad at school often too and try to sneak in a little reading. I like all the little 'aside' type things, even though I doubt all of them make sense to everyone. I think little things like that make the story more fun in the long run as you find out what they all refer to.
'Elf-turkeys.' That cracked me up. I've got Black Swans and now turkeys. Those children are turkeys, though, no doubt there. We will see quite a bit of them and their parents as this goes on. And we will see a lot of Tulus. But I will leave him a bit of a mystery for as long as I can. He plays a big part in this story though. Very big.
Amglaur's promise is ominous, since we know it is one he does not keep (Legolas obviously never went to Lothlorien). That is also a very big part of this story. The climax probably, but it is a ways off yet. And I will make you wait to find out how he fails to keep his promise.
Thank you so much for the review. I meant for the next chap to be out today, but I ended up going to work. So I am going to shoot for tomorrow. :-)
Bodkin
· 20 February 2006
· Chapter 7: Ents and Elven Princes
I don't think their king would be too surprised to be disobeyed by people that disobeyed the gods.
I've not long since written something quite similar to this sentiment! Only I can't remember where - might be a Reflection, but it might be the story due out on March 25th. It's frustrating me enough that I might have to go and look!
Author's reply
So sorry to be so long in replying. Work again...blah blah, I know everyone is tired of hearing it.
You write so much that I don't doubt you might lose track of where some particular line might be. But I almost fear to ask: by "the story due out on March 25th" do you mean to say that you are so neatly organized that you have written and planned what dates things will come out on? I will cry if that is true. I am not that organized in any part of my life.
But I do think that poor Thranduil might be a very powerful and intimidating King, but if the Silvan got into their heads to ignore him, they would just do it--since they did the same on the Great Journey and some of them did the same when Denethor wanted to go to Beleriand. The fact that they didn't is testiment to how good a king Thranduil was. :-)
Idhreniel
· 19 February 2006
· Chapter 7: Ents and Elven Princes
Ah Elliska, it is so good to read from you again! I love this chapter and the tales. Really, Arthiel seems the sister those elflings don't have but need!
Nice reaction from Amglaur towards Tulus. I like Tulus, but his son's betral does't come off my mind when I read his name. And those kind of evil elfings... I know they must have some relation to the creepy elves; I just wonder which creepy elevs they are related to.
As always it was a delightful reading. I love Amglaur as a dearadar. He seems so cute somehow.
Hugs and take care!!!
Author's reply
Hi Idhreniel! I am glad to be back. Real life has been nutsy lately and I am trying to get back on schedule.
Poor Tulus and his betrayals (and his son's betrayal)... I might play with that more in the next chapter. We will see how he turns out. And those creepy elves and elflings might make a return too. Time to get that side of the plot moving here.
Arthiel and Amglaur are good for the kids. I like the whole extended family (cousins, grandparents aunt and uncles). It would make life richer.
I'm glad you enjoyed it and thanks so much for the review!
Nilmandra
· 19 February 2006
· Chapter 7: Ents and Elven Princes
Oh, this was delightful! I have to say I was most intrigued by Dolgalion's admission of poor judgment leading him to be reassigned home until he could be trusted again. Have you told this story yet?
The stories to the elflings was a wonderful way of showing the Silvan/Sindar differences and perspective. A hero to one group is a traitor to another; a real experience a memory treasured, to others only a fable. I have to say I love their tutor's plans to make it a debate. This is how kids really learn to think, when they are taught to approach an issue from all sides. They will learn that the black and white world actually has many areas of gray.
So, Noruil and Anastor have not yet been caught, then? Like Legolas, Galithil, Brethil and company, I am looking forward to that!
Author's reply
I'm glad you liked it. :-) I have been debating about a lot of the stuff I wrote for this part of the story. I ended up keeping this chapter because I just like the Ents and Legolas seemed so interested in them when he saw the eyes in Fangorn forest. Couldn't resist.
And I do love showing differences between the groups of elves and playing with their perspectives. Whereas for real people, we learn history from our sociopolitical group and view the world based on what we learned, elves have the memories of their own experiences. I think that would make for much stronger view points and possibly explain why even centuries later, there would be grudges over serious things like the kinslayings. And the stuff the you pointed out (fable vs history / hero vs traitor) would really come to life. I think that is fascinating. I'm glad you commented on that. :-)
As for the debate--I completely agree with you. I think all elves, but certainly noble parents would expect their children to be educated enough to argue well. I was president of the debate club for 4 years in high school and was the debate coach of my former high school team for several years. These little elflings will get plenty of debates. ;-) It seems to me Legolas needs that sort of an education--he has a very big decision coming to him in his life. If you are going to assume that Legolas was a warrior in Mirkwood and a fixture in his father's court (and I am assuming that in this story), then the decision to go with the Fellowship rather than go home must have weighed somewhat on him.
Noruil and Anastor will be caught. Doing many things. :-)
And Dolgailon. He is introduced for the first time in chapter one (not the prologue) of the last story. There you see what he did and as that story progresses, his actions serve to make the connection to the Men that form part of the plot. He is a good kid, poor thing. I like including little references like that to past stories.
Gosh, I'm talkative this morning. Thanks so much for the review, Nilmandra!
French Pony
· 19 February 2006
· Chapter 7: Ents and Elven Princes
It looks like the punishment has become a waiting game. Who will tire of their punishment first? Will the Elflings wilt with the boredom of confinement and agree to demonstrate responsible behavior? Or will the grownups crack under the strain of having the confined Elflings always underfoot and whining to go out and finally throw them outside just to put some distance between them? Time will tell. . .
One has to wonder just who Thranduil thought he was punishing.
I like the idea of learning history by telling stories under the trees. I was especially intrigued by the story of the Hobbits, especially since, by the time Bilbo arrives, Thranduil doesn't appear to have much of a clue about him. He ought to have been out under the trees that day.
And the Ents! Now we know exactly which stories Legolas heard about them in his childhood that impressed him enough so that he mentioned them so many years later. Although, given his reaction to Lothlorien upon seeing it for the first time in Fellowship, I have a feeling that Amglaur has just made a promise that he'll be unable to keep. Knowing Amglaur, it's not like he'll just forget or never get around to it. This does not bode well.
Author's reply
Oh, I burst out laughing at this! See, that is why I would make a terrible parent. I have the patience of a gnat. I would always be the one to crack and my kids would figure that out by the time they were two and turn into spoiled brats. I doubt Thranduil is the most patient elf in Arda, but I think his patience will outlast the children's and they will find trouble first. (At least if I post all the parts of this that I wrote, which I doubt).
I picture Thranduil and Oropher coming to Greenwood around SA 750 (in fact I think HoME puts them there at that time). I think they might have seen a few of the Fallohides (since HoME says they interacted with Elves, it might have been ones in Greenwood) and possibly even the Stoors before they moved to the Shire around TA 1150. But I certainly doubt they ever knew any hobbits well. I think in The Hobbit, the Elvenking seems to recognize Bilbo for a hobbit when he finally sees him with the Arkenstone. But he certainly seems surprised and impressed with him. Poor Thranduil. Not the easiest time for him.
And yes, I was thinking of Legolas being drawn closer to Fangorn to look at the Huorns (and Gandalf having to call him back) when I wrote this. Legolas seemed very interested in Ents and Ent-like creatures and I wanted to play with that a bit. But you are very right--Legolas has clearly never been to Lothlorien before going there with the Fellowship nor has he ever seen an Ent. He says he knows less than Aragorn about Fangorn. Amglaur has indeed just made a promise he will not be able to keep. And it will not be from lack of trying, as we will see.
Thanks so much for the reviews, FP!
Bodkin
· 19 February 2006
· Chapter 7: Ents and Elven Princes
What a lovely story - I loved it from the moment two elflings invaded Dolgailon's bedroom until Legolas insisted firmly that his grandfather had made a promise to them. Fair warning, I think, from big brother that his punishment will never end unless Galathil accommodates himself rather better to its restrictions. (Nice to know that Dolgailon wasn't always perfect. He is so responsible.) And Arthiel's understanding of the female art of compromise - making the sentence more bearable by a little gentle tweaking. Not to mention putting ideas in Daeradar's head.
Galathil is his own worst enemy, though. He's a ... rocket of a child. Very single-track-minded. Whereas Legolas is better at looking round him and responding to others. More empathy. (And, if Arhtiel's parents are still angry with them - or disappointed in them, perhaps he should think of a way of making amends.)
I loved the story-telling. It is so interesting to see lots of points of view. I can see why Amglaur is suspicious of Tulus - boy must it take a long time to live down an error of judgement if you're an elf. But the really worrying characters are the Nasty Boys - Anastor and Noruil. Although, if Maidhien is more open-minded, there might be more hope for Anastor. They are just the kind of kids you wouldn't want your own little angels to get mixed up with. The debate on the relative trustworthiness of men and orcs was particularly interesting in that little Eirienil's intelligence and opinion are recognised as valid despite her youth. And I loved the discussion of Hobbits and Ents. And, it must it be so difficult to rule elves! Hats off to Thranduil - they're none of them happy to accept other people's decision if they don't mesh with their own! But Tulus is making a good impression (if not on Amglaur).
Most enjoyable! I must go and read it again a few times - for all those subtle little nuances I've missed. I do love these characters (and hope for a happy outcome for Tulus. Although I'm not holding my breath.)
Author's reply
Poor Dolgailon would have been better of it it had been his father or a messenger knocking on his door. I like the description of Galithil as a rocket. I think that fits well. Once he is on about something, there will be no deterring him. He has some learning to do, but so do all children. I think I'd just rather have children like Legolas or Berior and the type of learning they need. I'd tie a child like Galithil to a chair. Dolgailon and Arthiel will continue to be important for the children, since they are at least from their same generation.
I think the story telling, with older elves remembering their own perspectives on the long ago past would be a fascinating thing. And I think elves would be very anxious to teach children to express themselves and argue well (I refuse to believe that anyone who has lived thousands of years would believe there is only One Truth to any story). So, I think this would be a fun lesson.
Poor Thranduil (and Lenwe and Denethor and Oropher). Ruling a bunch of elves that decided to ignore the gods summons to Valinor! I don't think their king would be too surprised to be disobeyed by people that disobeyed the gods. Such a King would have to learn to be persuasive, I think.
The Ent and Hobbit stories will surface again in obvious and less expected times. If I post it (and I'm still debating it because it is not exactly subtle), the next chapter I thought about including really revolves around Tulus and the Nasty Elves and their Nasty Boys, getting back into that part of the plot just a bit.
Thank you so much for the review, Bodkin!
Jay of Lasgalen
· 19 February 2006
· Chapter 7: Ents and Elven Princes
I seem to have missed a couple of updates of this story. I loved the two elflings hiding in the laundry baskets - they're lucky they didn't get emptied out into really hot water!
The discovery of the hidden door was exciting - and I love the idea that there may be more, all over the palace. I can imagine Legolas and his friends searching for them all! I cannot believe the gall of the dwarf - first he's caught hunting, then the elves save his life, then he goes to Thranduil and demands compensation! What a nerve! I like the knife in Thranduil's boot - he may have his guards, but he's quite capable of defending himself :)
In the last chapter, I really liked the tale of the lost elf prince and the Ent. You could expand it to show it from little Denethor's POV, because it would make a great story.
Jay
Author's reply
The updates certainly haven't been regular recently so they are easy to miss (she says while feeling guilty). I'm glad you liked the elflings in the bath water. I thought that was funny. Poor things--you're right. It could have been much worse.
And you know there have to be hidden doors. And once you've found one, you have to look for more. They will find some eventually too. This dwarf was definitely one of the sort that makes Thranduil insane. And I love Warrior!Thranduil. We will be seeing more of him soon.
And as for Greenwood in Lenwe/Denethor's time. I am thinking about making some one chapter short stories from the stuff that I hint at in this story. Just a few of them might be fun.
Thanks so much for the reviews Jay!
daw the minstrel
· 18 February 2006
· Chapter 7: Ents and Elven Princes
What an interesting lesson. I think elves would have learned a lot of their history and philosophy and so on in stories and songs like this. After all, their elders had loooong memories.
I have to say that meeting an ent would drive me crazy. I'm so impatient, and they're---not.
Author's reply
I personally love history and I think it would be absolutely fascinating to actually talk to people that lived it. There had to be a few very old elves even in Mirkwood that would remember these times. And I think they might have some interestingly different memories after so many milennia. :-) I definitely think they would have learned a lot from songs and stories. That's how everyone learned until very recently, afterall.
I love the ents, treehugger that I am, but I am also very impatient. I'm not sure I could have spoken to one. ;-)
Thanks so much for the review daw!
J.G.E
· 11 December 2005
· Chapter 6: Discoveries
Hee, hee, I so enjoyed this chapter, its so great to see it after a long wait but it was worth it. When you mentioned the dwarf I was thinking that you were already referring to the Hobbit, but I knew it couldn't be right because 1) Legolas was probably much older in the Hobbit and 2) none of the dwarves were killed, they all made it through Mirkwood. Its just that the dialogue between the dwarf and Thranduil was almost the same as in the book, but you confirmed my thoughts when you mentioned the name of the dwarf. Legolas almost got himself into trouble again for eavesdropping which I am glad he didn't otherwise he would've got into even more trouble, but now I bet that he will put that tunnel to his own good use if you get my drift, it will come in handy for spyng on his father which I have no doubt that he will do just that. I wonder when Marti is going to make her presence known, I am just dying for some action and some nail-biting moments.
Author's reply
Hi J.G.E! I'm sorry to be so long in replying. I just can't seem to stay on top of things right now.
I'm glad you enjoyed the chapter. I had fun showing Thranduil, the elflings and a haughty dwarf. Yes, I think Legoals would be in a lot of trouble if he got caught doing that--but he won't...not for a while yet, anyway. :-)
As for Marti, she won;t be around for a while again. The children are going to be elflings for a little while yet. And then you will get your nail-biting moments when they are just a little bit older...old enough to be part of them. And those moments are full of action and angst. :-)
Thank you so much for the reviews!
perelleth
· 10 December 2005
· Chapter 6: Discoveries
First, I'm sorry for the delay, these are particularly busy times...) Second, I'm so glad that you're feeling better, go you and take due care...!
I must agree with Galithil that the dwarf was absolutely fascinating. Seen from the children's perspective, this stuborn dwarf's bold stand was even more impressing. I liked the way you pictured the whole scene, when the guards unsheathed their steels and Aradunnon's blade came to rest in the dwarf's throat...UNder his beard, I wonder? MASter dwarf must have feared then for his attributes! :-)
And then when the adults were leaving the stronghold, the inmpression they caused in LEgolas was fascinating, and veyr insightful. And very well done, too! I could picture them, striding at the same pace, and everybody making way for the most powerful elves in the realm! NO wondr the children were impressed, too! Thranduil was really scary here... I loved how he handled the noisme dwarf!
I would love to see a knife throwing contest between Amoneth and Thrnaduil! :-)
NICe chapter elliska. I supose you're about to post another and I fear that it will be another week before I'm able to read it, but I'm looking forward to it!
Author's reply
I am equally delayed in the reply--I just can't seem to stay caught up right now. :(
I'm glad you enjoyed the dwarf--the children did, generally speaking. I enjoyed that little scene myself. Haughty dwarves and Thranduil are just never going to mix. ;-)
And I am glad you enjoyed the scene when the adults are leaving. I liked showing Legolas seeing his father a little differently.
A knife throwing contest with Amoneth and Thranduil...I've not written it but I can think of a perfect place for it coming up soon. Now who would win that...:-)
Thank you so much for the reviews, Perelleth. I really appreciate them.
Idhreniel
· 9 December 2005
· Chapter 6: Discoveries
Hi, Elliska! This is Brazgirl with a new name...
I love this chapter!
What a convenient door they found. I was afraid Galithil would make himself seen by the dwarves of even by his ada. Thankfully they didn't...
It was lovelly to read Thranduil melting his anger when he saw his little elfling. Even more when the boys went together to shoot!!!
Lovely chapter. I like Galithil's innocence even more.
Glad to hear you are better!!!
Author's reply
Hi Idhreniel! Love that new screen name! I'm so sorry to be so long in replying. I am just so behind in everything and trying to catch up.
Of course they would find such a fascinating door! :-) And I'm glad you were worried about them being caught. But most of all I'm glad you liked the ending--I love them as a happy family (because in my world, that time is coming to an end soon) so I like to see them enjoy it while they can.
Thank you so much for the reviews! :-)
Dot
· 6 December 2005
· Chapter 6: Discoveries
Oh Elliska, this was delightful! It sounds like those children will have no problem finding ways to amuse themselves after all. And I laughed aloud at what happened Legolas and Galithil in the palace laundry! I felt a bit sorry for the ellyth, though – can you imagine explaining to the king that you drowned his son and nephew in a vat of suds?! The funniest thing was Galithil suggesting that the laundress tell Thranduil and Aradunnon that the elflings should be allowed play outside. LOL.
I just loved the whole idea of there being secret doors! As a child I was addicted to Enid Blyton books and they always found secret passageways and hidden places! Of course, it’s even better when there’s magic involved ;-)
I must say, Legolas is very clever when it comes to hide and seek. And Berior trying to hide behind the tapestry is absolutely adorable!! I really like the way you’ve made the wall just ‘feel’ different where the door is hidden. So, as a matter of interest, can anyone open it or is it just Thranduil and his kin? It seems like a good way to flee from the Great Hall if need be. I almost jumped too when Galithil appeared! And the funniest line of the chapter has to be: ”Only you would find a secret door and then not go through it, Eirienil.” Hilarious. Poor Eirienil. It’s no use having a conscience and/or common sense around this lot.
It seems a little risky expecting the tapestry to keep them hidden, judging by Berior’s efforts on the other side! But what an exciting scene they landed into. I do love Thranduil when he’s in a mood :-) And it’s fascinating to see how Legolas can read his father so easily. Thranduil is so clever, piecing together all the bits of information and realising what the dwarf is up to. That dwarf never stood a chance, the twit. Though, ok, I do feel a little sorry for him… Anyway, there was great tension – I was reading this under the desk at work and was totally engrossed in it! I like too the fact there’s a hint of respect between Thranduil and Durin coming across, despite what Narin and his buddies have done. I nearly keeled over when he threatened Thranduil! Holy crap. The way the elves immediately moved into action, so fluid and so dangerous and protecting the king at all costs, was just wonderful – a little scary but brilliant enough to give me a fangirlish moment of glee!
“I wish Master Rodonon would teach us more about the world today and less about things that happened three Ages ago.” I thought that was a nice character moment for Legolas – it shows that even at a young age he’s curious about other people and events that are happening now, outside his home. Though they’re all probably a little too young to realise the importance of history and its effect on “the world today.”
I’m still smiling at the image of Thranduil being so much in king-mode that even the elflings find themselves bowing to him! And the way Legolas can make his father’s mood lighten is so sweet. I notice Aradunnon was the only one who was immediately suspicious of his son :-/ But it was good to see them gang up against Thranduil! (But of course Thranduil won!)
Galithil is so clever to get information from the parents without them realising why he had so many questions! I’m sure he’s exhibited a flair for that kind of thing before. It really suits his personality that he’s so fascinated by the dwarf in such an open and enthusiastic manner, while Legolas is more wary. There’ll be trouble, though, if he goes looking for more such interesting scenes. And secret doors. Ooh, I’m getting excited! :-)
Author's reply
I think those ellyth probably panicked a moment when they realized they dumped the king's son into the washing vat--as you said, drowning the king's son can't be a good thing. One of the things that is making this part of the story much harder to put together into parts to post is that I have a lot of little scenes like the one in the laundry that do not stand alone, but that amuse me or have some meaning later on. I would like to work as many in as possible, so this was one attempt. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I thought it was amusing and I could see it happening. :-)
It cracks me up when little kids try to convince you to take their side against their parents. But I cannot imagine anyone giving Thranduil parenting advice. ;-)
And the secret doors--absolutely must have them in my mind. I know there is no basis in canon for them, but if Thranduil has magic doors securing the stronghold, I think he can have a few secret doors too. And a couple of comments you made here are very prophetic. The Gates anyone who is not an enemy can open (sort of like Melian's girdle--or at least that's how I portrayed it). If I include the scene I wrote, you will see that some of the doors in the stronghold work a little differently in my mind.
I'm glad you enjoyed the scene with the dwarf and it seemed tense to you. The warriors that found the dwarves gave Thranduil enough info to know something was up and Legolas did guess right that his ada was fishing to confirm his suspicions. And I would pity anyone who tried to attack Thranduil. They wouldn't stand a chance for a number of reasons. Poor dwarf was grieving and did not make good choices. (I was trying to edit some parts of this that are easier for me and I was looking at the Battle Under the Trees scenes--I do love Thranduil and I am afraid I do get fangirly for Warrior!Thranduil.) :-)
I definitely do see Legolas as curious about the world--both sbout other races and natural things. I like showing that. They are too young to really understand all the history behind their parents' attitudes/that they might learn but that is part of growing up and becoming who you will be. I like playing with that.
And I'm glad you liked the part where Legolas sees his father a little differently--like the door, I intended that to be another 'discovery' in this chapter. I think there would be moments for someone in Legolas's position where he would begin to see other sides of his father. It must feel really wierd. And the way Legolas can make his father’s mood lighten is so sweet. I'm glad that came across. :-)
Count on trouble from this group. ;-)
Thanks so much for the reviews and for sticking with it through the delays. I really appreciate it! :-)
Nilmandra
· 5 December 2005
· Chapter 6: Discoveries
Yeah, I am glad you are feeling better!
I love exploring! I always wanted to go search for hidden passageways and fake doors and all that. I always figured if I had enough money to build my own house, it would have some secret passages, bookcases that turned into another room, that kind of thing, just for fun. So I was gleefully along for the ride there.
The child in me is glad they did not get caught eavesdropping, though the adult in me wishes they had, so that they didn't put themselves in danger. Yet danger is half the fun.... but if the dwarf had grabbed an elfling, that would be bad.... but then, that dwarf wasn't going to move with all those warriors there. So, no harm done, I guess and I can remain glad they got away.
The fascinating thing about elves learning history is that people who were alive then can tell them, with perfect recall, what happened. And if elflings are led to delve into the history books, all the better.
Author's reply
I do love exploring too. I used to get in all sorts of trouble as a kid by rummaging through drawers and cabinets and chests--I would have loved to have someplace like the stronghold to explore. There would have to be great things to find there. And I would do something like that too if I ever build a house. :-)
They can't get caught yet--they haven't found quite enough trouble yet. ;-) You're right that there is potential for serious trouble here.
And as you have shown, it is so true that it would be really fascinating to learn history from those who lived it. :-)
Thanks so much for the reviews and for your patience through the delays. :-)
daw the minstrel
· 5 December 2005
· Chapter 6: Discoveries
I'm so glad you're getting better, Elliska.
I cannot keep people safe if I am unaware of their presence or if they are not where I expect them to be.”
Given where the kids were at the time, this made me laugh. This encounter certainly wouldn't make Legolas inclined to think highly of dwarves.
Very cool moment when Legolas sees his father as king. And Galithil is unstoppable. Too bad.
Author's reply
Given where the kids were at the time, this made me laugh. Hehehe! Exactly! *Grin*
Very cool moment when Legolas sees his father as king.
I'm glad you liked that. I think it would be very odd to have your parents be in such a position--they would still just be parents to a younger child, but there would have to be moments when the child started to see them as people outside the family would see them. Must be really strange.
And no, I think this was not a good beginning for Legolas and dwarves. There will be other experiences, but we always remember our first exposure to something too.
Thanks so much for the reviews and for sticking with it through the delays. :-)
Bodkin
· 5 December 2005
· Chapter 6: Discoveries
Maybe a corral would be better as an elfling prison than the Stronghold - where there seems to be altogether too great a potential for them being where they shouldn't be, doing what they shouldn't do. Or a chain gang approach. . . Maybe not.
Eirienil isn't confined, is she? Except in the sense that if all her little friends are required to stay indoors, she will be there too in order to have someone to play with. I can just imagine Galithil trying to make the most of that - and sending her off to do all sorts of things. Although she is a Hermione Grainger of an elfling and would refuse flatly to do things she thought were wrong.
I love the start in the laundry - with the elflings swimming in the washing water (although I hope they dumped them in the rinse before releasing them). I can somehow see them heading back there on a hot day when no-one will take them to the river. And the Stronghold seems to be a lovely place for hide and seek.
Legolas was very clever to spot the secret door - and Galithil was typically reckless to put his head under the tapestry to see just what was going on. His cousin is still letting him lead him astray though - if he only thought for a millisecond, Legolas would know that his adar would not have wanted him there listening to that conversation. And one of them is bound to drop something that he couldn't have heard legitimately.
Taking them out to act as retrievers at the archery range will burn off some of their energy, though. And anything that makes them seek out the library willingly is good. It is interesting how information you have to find is so much more intriguing than that which your tutor is busy trying to insert in your head!
I'm really looking forward to seeing where this goes! Although one thing is, I suspect, inevitable. Trouble will ensue.
Author's reply
Corrals! Perhaps. Parents puts children on leashes here in the US (it goes around the kid's wrist--I really hate those things, but of course I'm not a parent either so...). Poor elflings!
But no, Eirienil is not being punished--she's just being nice to her cousins and trying to keep them from getting in more trouble. As I re-read these, I am more and more convinced that I must have been reading a HP novel while writing these parts. Eirienil does seem a lot like Hermione in a lot of places.
The image of the kids being passed from the wash to the rinse made me laugh. That laundry part is one of the many little clips I wrote that don't really stand by themselves but that I kind of like for whatever reason. I thought it worked ok stuck to the begining of this chapter. The secret door part of this was the orginal first chapter of this story, but it got moved. I knew I wanted to keep it in here somewhere. I think it is certain the children would find things like that. And the door plays a role later on too--including when Legolas hears things adar would never repeat in front of him.
Trouble is certain to ensue. :-)
Thanks so much for the reviews and sticking with this through all the delays. :-)