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The Wars of the Valar  by Fiondil 558 Review(s)
70uHGYE8TVVOReviewed Chapter: 7 on 11/26/2015
Sir"മ ന ന എണ ണല സ ഖ യകള ട വര ഗ ഗങ ങള ട ത ക മറ റ ര എണ ണല സ ഖ യയ ട വര ഗ ഗമ യ ട ട ഴ ത ന വല ല formulaയ മ ണ ട "$(a+b)^2=a^2+2ab+b^2$ആണല ല 2ab ഒര പ ര ണ ണ വര ഗമ ക ന ന ര ത യ ല a b യ ത രഞ ഞ ട ത ത ല $a^2+c^2+b^2=(a+b)^2$അത യത ഇങ ങന മ ന ന എണ ണല സ ഖ യകള ട വര ഗ ഗങ ങള ട ത ക മറ റ ര എണ ണല സ ഖ യയ ട വര ഗ ഗമ യ ട ട ഴ ത ഉദ :1) a=9, b=2 അപ പ ള $9^2+2^2+6^2=11^2$2)a=25, b=8,$25^2+8^2+20^2=33^2$3)a=8,b=9$8^2+9^2+12^2=17^2$ആയത ന ല $a^2+c^2+b^2=d^2$എന ന ര പത ത ല എഴ ത

MikoNoNyteReviewed Chapter: 999999 on 12/31/2013
This was a difficult story, which you already know. My days of college astronomy are far, far behind me and I admit struggling to keep up even with the explanations. Probably why I am an accountant and not a scientist. *grins*

For me, the real meat of this story was watching Namo's development - his maturation. All the other stories were just as valid: the battles with the Maiar, the subsequent betrayals, the less-than-stellar decisions of Manwe. We often think of Manwe as a nearly omniscient being, but here we see his true vulnerability and insecurity.

The dark parts - the tortures both psychic, emotional and physical were sad, frightening and disturbing. Not because they were written down - no! While reading these scenes, especially the betrayals, I was moved to question how anyone, but especially a Maiar - a child of the Thought of Eru, could "fall so far from Grace" as to be bought for the carrot of lies paraded about as Truth by Melko. His tongue must have been sweet indeed to paint pictures so corrupted as images of desirable Light. It was very disturbing on the same level as seeing terrorist bombings, mass murders or rapists on the daily news.

How humanity has fallen! and shadowed the steps of those fallen Maiar!

See? This is the mark, in my mind, to a great piece. It sets up channels of thought, some old, some new, and not only entertains, but educates.

Thank you for this wonderful piece, Fiondil.

And for the record, no I did not read this and Elf Redux 2 this quickly. But time and tide, it took me a while to get back and type up remark.

Have a wonderful New Year!


Author Reply: Hi NikoNoNyte. This was not an easy story to write, either, on mnany levels. It started out as an exploration of who the Valar were before they became the Valar, especially Nmo, who doesn't become Lord of the Dead until they build Valinor, and for the Valar, that's pretty late in the day. And it is difficult to imagine how any being who has stood before the Throne of Eru could possibly reject Him, but there you are.

Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed this story however disturbing parts of it were. Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment. I really appreciate it. And Happy New Year!

Glory BeeReviewed Chapter: 999999 on 5/2/2012
Fiondil, as always this was brilliant! The amount of research you do really is unparallelled. I so appreciate how much I learned while reading this.:)I definitely do have to read HOME sometime as the Silmarillion does not go into much detail about many events.

I suspect Namo is your favorite Vala, I had loved your characterization of him when I read the Elf Interrupted stories and now I understand the painful events in his life that so shaped him to be the loving comforter he became. I was glad you included his love story with Vaire in this.:)

I found while reading this that I thought a lot about my own Christian faith, thinking much of the War in Heaven and Lucifer's Fall and chaining, but seeing overall the unconditional love of the Father. Thank you once again!

Blessings, DEB

Author Reply: Hi Glory Bee. I'm glad you enjoyed reading this. Wars is still my personal favorite simply because I was able to play with it so much (Tolkien gives us NO details about what the Valar were doing until the created Arda and it was interesting to see the Valar before they became the Valar as we know them through the Silmarillion, especially people like Nmo, who obviously had no josb description as the Lord of the Dead way back then.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to read and review. I appreciate it very much.

Panzer 71Reviewed Chapter: Prologue on 7/12/2011
This is the 4th piece I've read of yours and found it as enjoyable as the others. The way you weave science into the story gives it a realism that adds so much. You portrail of the Valar as being falable,almost human,differs from how I've imagined them,but the way you portay them makes it easy to empathise with them. It truely is facinating to see how others imagine Tolkiens world,thanks for sharing your stories. I always thougt a great story might be Eols forging of the two swords from a metorite and how he learned smithing from the dwarves*hint hint*

Author Reply: Hello, Panzer. Thank you for letting me know how much you enjoyed reading this tale. I really appreciate you taking the time to do so. My take on the Valar is decidedly different from a lot of writers. As created beings, they are not perfect, though they may be closer to perfection than mere Mortals, and not being perfect, they can make mistakes, and Tolkien acknowledges this in his writings. And since, like us, they are prone to making mistakes, that makes them more approachable and we can empathize with them more.

As for El... well, you never know...

6336Reviewed Chapter: 49 on 10/12/2010
Goodness has it been two years since you wrote this?
Foe some reason I keep coming back and rereading this chapter, it is so sad and yet so beautiful. I am glad Namo is able to start with fea who need consoling and not judging, that would have been too cruel and although Atar can be harsh when he needs to be he is not cruel, I leave that to Melkor!
This is the next one for the e-book.
Lynda

Author Reply: This was probably one of the hardest emotionally speaking to write, as I recall. I know I felt pretty drained when I got it done. And yes, at this time, there is only compassion and consolation and not judgment for these particular far who are truly innocents in the very real meaning of the word.

Anyway, it is hard to believe that it's been 2 years since I wrote this story, but time does go on and there are more stories to be told. *grin* I am seriously thinking of getting an e-book for myself for Christmas, so I can put not only my stories onto it, but other people's stories to read again and again without resort to the internet. We'll see if I'm still on Santa's "Good Boy" list this year. *LOL*

ImhirielReviewed Chapter: 55 on 5/18/2009
Oh. Nmo spitting at Melkor. Now I hadn't expected that! And as good as it must have felt, and as good as it was to read it, I feel it's right that Nmo felt ashamed about it directly afterwards.

The discussion touches upon one of the most important questions in the Silmarillion: what is the rightful home of the Firstborn? Why have the come to Aman if they were meant to make Endor their home? What if they all had come - would they have left Endor all desolate and empty and without care? Isn't it patronising for the Valar to urge them to come under their wings - and on the other hand, careless and indifferent if left to their own devices in Endor when the Valar refused to deal with the remnant of Melkor's minions? This final chapter offers a poignant outlook for the future that awaits beyond the "Metta" at the end of the page; and yet we know most of these answers cannot ever be answered conclusively.

Thank you, Fiondil, for this wonderful story! It made laugh, and cry, and seethe, and think. I have learned fascinating astronomical things, and new insights and angles into little-known corners of canon.

And now I will start on a long-overdue re-read of Elf Interrupted, 1. And after that, I'm already looking forward to diving headlong in EI, 2, which I have a hard time resisting peeking into already just to get a sense of what is going on with Glorfindel, Finrod, Nmo and the rest...

Author Reply: I think the discussion as to the rightness of the Valar to invite the Elves to Aman is one that will never fully be resolved, at least among Tolkien fans. Obviously, whatever the original intent on Eru's part for the Elves changed and that's free will for you. We only know what did happen because of this decision on the part of the Valar, and the consequences of that decision, for good or for ill. Perhaps if they had left the Elves alone we wouldn't be having this conversation at all and I would not have had any reason to write this story. Such is the strangeness of things.

I'm so glad you enjoyed this story, Imhiriel, even if it took you so long to finish reading it. I look forward to reading your comments on EI-2 once you get to it. Thanks again for your lovely reviews. I really appreciate them.

ImhirielReviewed Chapter: 54 on 5/18/2009
The description of Melkor's halls, spare as it is, makes me go "brrrr". I have no phobia against snakes in general, but biiiig white snakes somehow sound really gross.

Tulkas snarled at a particularly underhanded maneuver from his opponent and slammed his fist that was encased in an iron gauntlet full in Melkors teeth.

Ouch! May I picture Melkor spitting out his broken teeth one by one and henceforth as lisping??? LOL. To quote from a memorable scene by my favourite author Dorothy Dunnett: "Ith there no word in the Englith language wanting an Eth?"

I find the scenes with the chaining of Melkor particularly evocative. You can feel the cold and the burning and the pain and the weight as the links wrap around Melkor. It's so... brutal, I guess, and so distinctly physical, particularly considering the nature of an usually incorporeal Ayanumuz.

In the way Melkor minimises his atrocities and crimes, he reminds me of the Saruman when he made his speech to Thoden when they came to him after the Battle of Helm's Deep and the flooding of Isengard - "differences", "trivialities", indeed!

Author Reply: You may picture Melkor any way you wish. *lol*

I'm glad you found the scenes of Melkor's chaining so evocative. It is what I was aiming for. And of course Melkor nad Saruman are cut from the same cloth when it comes to rationalizing their evil.

ImhirielReviewed Chapter: 53 on 5/18/2009
I think it might be interesting to look into Aul's psyche at this moment in time: the betrayal of Aulendil (and perhaps he, too, has already doubts about Curumo like some others), the Dwarves which put him at odds with Ilvatar and his wife, his going of to Endor for long stretches - again without his wife, now the scene with Nmo... Poor Aul! It's good that Yavanna seems to be a no-nonsense person, and that Aul always has so much work he can turn his mind to.

I wouldnt be surprised to learn that there is a passageway connecting the two strongholds. Their attacks are too coordinated. Somehow messages are being sent and received between Utumno and Angamando."

Not that it might not be possible, but isn't the simplest explanation that they are talking to each other in their minds?

Is Ulmo's Canal the Firth of Drengist, above Nevrast? If so, it's nice to remember that it's not too far from Tuor's Vinyamar; and to remember the special bond Ulmo had to the place and to Tuor.

Hmmmm... What exactly are Varda and Nmo planning to do? Read on... A-ha! Oh, wow, this is a splendid idea!

Oddly enough, the eventual dispatch of the dragon actually reminds me of the slaughter of a stranded whale.

I was under the impression that Ancalagon from the War of Wrath was the first dragon who could actually fly. Even Glaurung didn't have wings. I suppose it's possible that the one you describe here is simply another kind, by why would Morgoth go back from that "improved" kind to dragons who were unable to fly?

Author Reply: Tolkien does say that even among the Valar and Maiar the transference of thought when they are incarnate would not be as easy or as swift than when they are not, so possibly some sort of physical connection must be there between the two fortresses, especially when one remembers that Angband was originally Melkor's armory. He would want easy access to it at all times.

The wording in the Silmarillion is ambiguous, and one can assume that dragons even early on had flight capability. But beyond that, consider that Melkor had untold ages in which to create dragons in his laboratories in Utumno, but with its destruction, he would have to start all over again once he returned to Middle-earth at the beginning of the First Age. Then, he only had a few hundred years in which to create dragons all over again. At least, that is how I've interpreted all this. Others might have other opinions. As I said, the language Tolkien uses in the Silmarillion is just vague enough in description to give you more than one interpretation of the capabilities of dragons in the First Age.

ImhirielReviewed Chapter: 52 on 5/18/2009
Profound philosophical speculation.

I greatly appreciate it that you focus on the tactics and strategy of the battle rather than the gore. I mostly can gloss over that latter, but it's nice not to have to make the effort. In addition, the tactics are interesting and exciting enough by their own.

[Aul] roared again in frustration, pounding the gates with his massive hammer but to no avail.

I can't help it: picturing this scene in my mind had me laughing out loud. Just imagine, Aul, his face red and twisted with rage, the fury nearly smoking out of his ears, with his oversized hammer pounding on the doors with a great clang clang boom boom.

It's fascinating to contemplate that many of the Valar - and Maiar - have an understanding of healing, (and yet) all come to it with their own specific knowledge, experience and skills. They complement each other very well, especially when the physical overlaps with the mental.

Really, I wish Nmo's Myar would finally stop this "abject nonsense" being so cowed of him! So of course I was cheering Nmo on when he harangued Maranw... And even after the lesson doesn't really seem to have sunken in, sigh.

Author Reply: I'm not into gore myself and prefer to leave that to the reader's imagination. I much prefer dealing with the logistics of a battle instead. I'm glad you found the tactics interesting and exciting enough by their own.

Namo's Mayar are so devoted to him that the thought that they might have failed him in some way is really devastating for them. Hopefully, Namo will set the straight even if it takes more than one 'lesson' for it to sink in.

ImhirielReviewed Chapter: 51 on 5/17/2009
I noticed during the read of this chapter that I kept confusing this war with the later War of Wrath (for example, I was asking myself when you mentioned Melian spying what Elu Thingol would say to that). Then the next moment, it always was, "Hey, you're mixing up your Wars and your timelines - again!"

If we refrain from attacking unclad, approaching Melkor as Incarnates, then Melkor and his People will do the same, if only to show that they are stronger than we are even in physical form. As long as we keep this war limited to the physical plane, Athraphelun should not suffer unduly."

This is a very nifty explanation which makes much sense. I mean, the destruction of Endor was great anyway, but considering the exploits you tell of in the earliest chapters, I can very well imagine a battle in un-clad form could wreak even greater havoc.

[...]the fell light of doom that emanated from Nmos eyes was too terrible to behold. Melkor, [...] looked upon Nmo and quailed before his nemesis and was the first to flee the field, rushing towards Utumno.

HAHA! Go, Nmo! Melkor, you pitiful, snivelling, little coward!

So Manw did indeed know. It's a bit convoluted, isn't it, that because canon says Orom was the one to break the news about the appearance of the Firstborn, you have to explain here that both Nmo and Manw (and their spouses) knew, but didn't tell each other or anyone else; all because in truth it's logical to assume that Orom actually wasn't the first.

Author Reply: I suppose that it's easy enough to confuse the two wars. The real difference is that during the War of Wrath the Valar did not participate, so that this war described here in this chapter is the last war of the Valar until the final war of the Dagor Dagorath.

While canon does say that Orome is the first to meet with the Firstborn and then tells everyone else, it doesn't preclude the possibility that the existence of the Firstborn was know prior to this by at least Namo, given that Melkor was killing Elves long before Orome found them, at least, according to the Silmarillion.

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