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It Takes a Took  by Dreamflower 14 Review(s)
BodkinReviewed Chapter: 2 on 10/19/2004
That's it - warn them off each other. I can't think of anything more likely to stimulate their interest!



Author Reply: Well, Paladin is not so much warning Pip off as he is cautioning him that his interest might not be returned very easily. Medical students *don't* have a lot of time for romance, after all. But Lavender *is* warning Diamond off--she is concerned about the whole patient/healer ethic, as well as not wanting her apprentice distracted. She may have been a bit premature, as until her mistress said something, the idea had not occurred to Diamond--nothing like putting ideas in her head to get just the opposite effect, LOL!

eilujReviewed Chapter: 2 on 10/19/2004
I rarely review, but I do love all your stories, and am looking forward to the rest of this one.

I see that no one has yet commented on the degree of relationship between Pippin and Diamond, so I will try to. [Apologies if you have already received fifty much clearer private emails about this!]


We have the Took family tree in Appendix C. As far as I know, we do not have anything more for the North-tooks.

Peregrin and Diamond’s most recent mutual ancestor is Isumbras III, Bandobras’s father.

Pippin is 7 generations after Isumbras III.

Diamond is descended from Bandobras, but we have no idea how many generations later. There might be more generations from Isumbras III to Diamond than from Isumbras III to Pippin, or there might be fewer.

Let’s assume for the moment that there are the same number of generations for Diamond as for Pippin. This is just to make it easier.


Isumbras III’s sons Ferumbras II (Pip’s ancestor) and Bandobras (Diamond’s ancestor) were brothers.

Ferumbras II’s son Fortinbras I and Bandobras’s son were first cousins (they shared the same grandfather).

Fortinbras I’s son Gerontius, the Old Took, and Bandobras’s grandson were second cousins (same great-grandfather).

Gerontius’s son Hildigrim and Bandobras’s great-grandson were third cousins (same great-great-grandfather).

Hildigrim’s son Adalgrim and Bandobras’s great-great-grandson were fourth cousins (same great-great-great-grandfather).

Adalgrim’s son Paladin II and Bandobras’s great-great-great-grandson were fifth cousins (same great-great-great-great-grandfather).

Paladin’s son Peregrin and Bandobras’s great-great-great-great-granddaughter Diamond are sixth cousins (same great-great-great-great-great-grandfather).

In the above version, Peregrin and Diamond are in the same generation, therefore there are *no removes* in their relationship.


Suppose there were *more* generations between Bandobras and Diamond than between Ferumbras II and Pippin. If there was *one* more generation, then Pippin and Diamond are sixth cousins *once removed* (i.e., one generation removed, one generation away). If there were two more generations, then Pippin and Diamond were sixth cousins twice removed. If three generations more, sixth cousins three times removed. Et cetera.


If instead of more generations, there were *fewer* generations between Bandobras and Diamond than there were between Ferumbras II and Pippin, then it’s a bit more complicated. First we need to find out what generation Diamond is in. Is she in Paladin’s generation (one generation away from Pippin)? If so, we look at the relationship between Paladin and the North-tooks of his generation: same as the list above: they were fifth cousins. So Paladin and Diamond would have been fifth cousins, and Pippin is one generation removed from Paladin. So Pippin and Diamond would have been fifth cousins *once removed*.

If Diamond had been another generation earlier, she would have been Adalgrim’s contemporary: they would have been fourth cousins. And Pippin is two generations removed from his grandfather. So Pippin and Diamond would have been fourth cousins twice removed.


Hope this helps….


Author Reply: Thank you so much! You are the only one so far to address the issue--I will definitely re-examine the relationship in the light of your information. I realize now that I should have counted all the way back to Isumbras III instead of just to his sons, but the other bits about removes I am still a bit shaky on. Check this chapter back in a day or so. I'll make a change, and give you the credit!

KittyReviewed Chapter: 2 on 10/18/2004
This will be interesting with Pippin in love with Diamond and Diamond reminded to be a healer only. And Pippin so embarassed about his needs. Males, indeed! *grins*

In this chapter I loved especially the little scene with Pippin and Paladin. It seems they have mended the rift between them - this was so much better than their strained relationship after Pippin returned from the Quest. And I was quite amused about Pippins reason for his interest in healers. But he is right, I think.

Can't wait for more!

Author Reply: Well, we can't let the course of true love run too smoothly now, can we? LOL! And so far, Diamond really has no interest beyond being a healer.

Guys *do* tend to get embarassed about things like that, but his father was there to help.

Pippin and his father have mended the rift now. Pippin's timing when he left on the Quest was very painful--his tweens were very rough on the two of them--and so his return was difficult. But they had a good solid relationship when Pippin was a child; it just took a little while to readjust.

And I thought Pippin might find the attitudes of most lasses of his own age and station to be a bit shallow. But a lass who was intent on becoming a healer (one of the few professions open to hobbit females in my version of the Shire) would definitely have a more serious outlook on life. After what he experienced during the War, he would not have much patience for flightiness.

ArielReviewed Chapter: 2 on 10/18/2004
Yes, well, I always have had a weakness for hurt/comfort - and if it isn't Frodo, it'll most likely be Pip I'm reading about. LOL! Nicely done.

Author Reply: Well, I have to admit, I like a bit of h/c as well, as long as it doesn't get *too* angsty. And Pip lends himself to it very well doesn't he?

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