Poor Legolas! I feel bad for him. Beliond would be more like an uncle to him than a friend, I think. Lol, you surprised me when Todith picked Legolas to be Eilian's guard. I thought you would pick Tinár... hahah that would be most unpleasant. Eilian would probably asked Todith to give him someone else. I think even Eilian was suprised to be at Legolas' side on this mission.
Sinnan, Sinnarn... he makes Ithilden be more like Thranduil; that is interesting. I bet the King is laughing about it.
Author's reply
It seemed to me that Todith might see Legolas more as a warrior than his family would, for instance. After all, he's been Legolas's captain for a number of years now and he's seen him do well. And he never sees him in his king's son role. He's just used to him as a warrior. So I thought he might send Legolas as the guard more easily that you would expect.
I think you're probably right that Thranduil is laughing -- although he may not be too amused if relations with the men are disturbed.
Manderly
· 23 January 2005
· Chapter 5: Trust
A bathing elf to start the chapter, ooh!
All right, back to the review. I am really looking forward to having both Legolas and Eilian in action together, not to mention the fact that Maltanaur and Beliond are standing by to add their spice to things. Even the little glimpse of the bantering that you have given us has been highly entertaining. The idea of Legolas guarding Eilian must be a hard concept to swallow by all, with the exception of Legolas himself of course. It should be very interesting to see how things will end up.
It seems Sinnarn is even more reckless than his uncle(s). The fact that he jumped in front of the Men even surprised me. Even after being lectured by Ithilden, he's not very repentant, is he? I wonder how Thranduil will react, being the doting grandfather that he is. I think this time I am taking the side of Ithilden.
Author's reply
Ah yes. I liked the bathing idea too. Or even elves wandering around in just their leggings.
I'm hoping I can think of ways to convey the interaction between Legolas, Eilian and the keepers. I can see interesting possibilities from several angles: Beliond and Maltanaur together, for instance.
Poor Sinnarn. He didn't mean to cause trouble. He was curious and open and just wanted to talk to the men. Very Bad Things could have happened if the Home Guard hadn't been there. They must have had collective heart attacks when the troop commander's son and king's grandson leapt into danger. I'll bet their bows were in their hands before they could blink.
Dot
· 23 January 2005
· Chapter 5: Trust
Alright, I want to know more about Beliond. Like Legolas, I knew he was one of Thranduil’s spies but never thought any more about it and figured his suspicious outlook and taciturn behaviour was a result of Dagorlad and accompanying baggage. Now I want to know more, darnit!
I love it when you give us a glimpse of everyday activities in the patrol. You really make this home away from home for these warriors come alive for me. I’m really enjoying the Beliond/Legolas interaction as well. It seems to me that Legolas automatically assumes that Beliond thinks little of him and so he gets all defensive immediately. Kind of like the way Eilian and Thranduil expect an argument most of the time so they usually end up having one. Beliond strikes me as a very matter-of-fact person. I bet he wasn’t actually being smug at all.
Good old Todith! I had to laugh at both Beliond and Eilian’s reactions. If Legolas is going poor Beliond has to too, whether he likes it or not, and I imagine Eilian isn’t used to having protective feelings towards his own guards. And he probably sees most of his chances for fun going out the window too now that little brother is here!
I see Maltanaur hasn’t forgotten about the dangwath incident! Legolas better believe he’d end up with Maltanaur’s knee in his back even now if he endangered Eilian. Although now Legolas would have Beliond to come to his rescue… Wouldn’t it be fun to see the two keepers up against each other?! Maltanaur seems amused by Legolas and Beliond. I bet his early experiences with Eilian were fairly similar!
I think I was groaning aloud for the entire Sinnarn part of this story. He seems just as intrigued by Men as he is by Dwarves. There’s a bit of Legolas’ curiosity in him, I think. Apart from trying to impress Aniond, he’s naturally open and inquisitive I think and yet it just never goes well for him. But I couldn’t believe that moment when he actually jumped down only to be followed a split second later by three warriors. Those poor Men are having a hell of a time getting through the forest. There has to be an easier way. I love the warriors who are all but rolling their eyes at the three friends. And boy are they good if even Sinnarn and co. weren’t aware of their presence. I’m not even going to bother asking what on earth Sinnarn thought was going to happen. I figure thinking things through isn’t a strong point for someone his age.
What luck to meet Ithilden! LOL, poor Sinnarn. Nilas is certainly thorough in his job. “You are always saying how interesting Men are, Adar.” I’m still laughing at that tactic! All of Ithilden’s carefully worded reassurances to Thranduil have come back to bite him – but that is really not the best card for Sinnarn to play! I don’t blame Ithilden one bit for being so angry. Apart from the fact that his son could have been killed, he could have done further damage to the apparently delicate relations between the Men and Elves. And now Thranduil has to be told? Ouch. I’m torn between not wanting him to be angry with Sinnarn and not wanting Ithilden to be upset by his father being lenient with his son. I felt so bad for Sinnarn, though, lying there listening to his parents. It’s one thing arguing with them but quite another to overhear their disappointment.
Legolas seems to be enjoying his trip so far! I have this terrible feeling that it might not be the pleasurable time he and Eilian expect. In fairness, though, Eilian does know how serious it is to do his job. I notice he even refers to Thranduil as “the king” even when just with Legolas, Maltanaur and Beliond.
I love how comfortable Eilian and Malatanur are with each other. It’s probably good for the other two to witness. Maybe the reason Beliond hasn’t told Legolas much is because he hasn’t asked. Isn’t it a bit strange for Legolas to wonder about Beliond being able to move amongst Men when he’s been to Esgaroth with him before? But I must say, Beliond is being a lot more peculiar about Dale than he was about Esgaroth. I’m really intrigued by him. O.k., I’m just nosy. Is there a story to be told??!
Wonderful chapter and thanks for the quick update. Keep it up! :-)
Author's reply
When I first thought about this story, I realized I had only a vague idea of Beliond's back story. I think I know a little more of it now. I'll have to see how much he's willing to share. :-)
I'm glad you enjoy the daily-life-in-the-patrol details. I was trying to make the place seem a little real before Eilian showed up. That kind of scene takes me forever to think up. I sat in a Panera Bread restaurant on Friday thinking ok, Eilian shows up. What's Legolas doing when Eilian gets there? What time of day is it? What's everybody else doing? And of course, bathing elves are always good. :-)
I really like Maltanaur. He's confident and strong and committed to protecting Eilian. And by now, he has a fair amount of respect for his charge, who in turn treats him with a great deal of affection. No wonder Legolas is jealous. I think Maltanaur is willing to indulge Legolas because he knows that Eilian is so fond of him, but if he thought that Legolas was endangering Eilian, as you say, he wouldn't hesitate for a minute in choosing who to take care of.
Poor Sinnarn. He never means to get into trouble and he so consistently does. He's just curious and relatively open minded. In some ways, you can see Ithilden's influence. But boy did he make a mistake. The warriors in the trees must have groaned when they saw him make his move. The king's grandson, for pity sake!
It seemed to me that Eilian would say "the king" when he was talking about his father's official role. If he were just with Legolas, he would probably say "adar," but not with the keepers there too. Eilian wants to have a good time, but he does know this is a potentially serious matter.
Beliond wasn't happy about going to Esgaroth either. But I do think you're right and that Legolas hasn't asked Beliond much about himself. He is still learning to see Beliond as a person in his own right, something that can be hard for the young when they look at those much older.
Glad you liked it, Dot.
Tapetum Lucidum
· 23 January 2005
· Chapter 5: Trust
I like the age of Legolas in this story - he is big enough to consider Sinnarn still an elfling but he is still growing himself. I don't think he realizes the irony. The bath in the creek made me shiver in more ways than one. The water must have been cold. Greeting a Captain and representative of the king with only your breeches on is probably not considered proper etiquette. I guess we will let him slide this time. It was obvious he was anxious to hear Eilian's assignment but handled the meal with patience. Any time you get a chance to torture Tinar it should be relished. I was wondering if Maltanaur was concerned over the experience level of their escort. It seems his and Legolas' first encounter was less than pleasant. He is right when he says there is no one who would be more protective. Tavor sounds like he is going to add some excitement to the trip.
Sinnarn's adventure was enough to turn my hair gray. Jumping down and startling the men was less than wise. Having the warriors surprize him in turn was great! I could almost see his jaw drop. Were his breeches still clean? I think Nilas was having a little too much fun escorting the younglings home. Ithilden's temper seems to rival that of his father. That was a very good scolding the poor boy got. Your Sinnarn POV is an excellent, rebellious teen.
Eilian seems very well suited for this mission. It is good to see Maltanaur so supportive of him and I can understand Legolas' jealousy. It is hard to be patient, even for an elf. I am looking forward to the trip into Dale.
Author's reply
LOL. Bathing elves are always a good thing. Cleanliness is next to godliness, after all! That's what you meant, isn't it?
I was trying to picture the life in the border patrol camp, and it seemed to me that they must get used to seeing one another in various states of undress. Before I got to Eilian's arrival, I wanted to try to make the camp come alive a little. But then, Eilian has lived among warriors for a long time too, and he's going to have to go some before he thinks like a representative of the king. I have trouble picturing it.
Sinnarn is so well intentioned. He's just curious and eager and can't imagine anyone wishing him harm. The warriors must have known the three kids were there all along, but if Sinnarn hadn't jumped down, they'd have gone on their way probably. Ithilden is being pushed to the breaking point here, I think.
I'm looking forward to the trip to Dale too. Any of the four elves on the trip (plus Legolas's horse) could have interesting interaction with the other ones. I hope I can be patient enough to show it all. :-)
Frodo3791
· 23 January 2005
· Chapter 5: Trust
Like Legolas, I am interested in learning more about Beliond. He is probably your biggest mystery OOC character. I've enjoyed stories with Beliond in them for a long time, and it'd be really interesting to learn more about what makes him tick. Not all elves like men, but Beliond seems to have a big dislike of them. I hope you do delve further into his character into this story.
When Legolas was given the chance to travel with Eilian, at first I was really excited to see that you were putting the two together. I have a feeling, though, that something bad is going to happen, and one of the two are going to be put into some type of danger. I really can't wait to see where this goes.
I don't think you've ever really written much about Sinnarn's childhood or atleast his teenage years, but I'm happy to be seeing it now. Though Ithilden and Thranduil are both very strict, Ithilden is definitly a different father. He doesn't have the experience that Thranduil has (not to mention the prejedices he kind of tries to make his children believe).
Anyway, great chapter. Can't wait for the next.
-Frodo
Author's reply
As I was writing this chapter, I was thinking about how little I've shown of Beliond's backstory. I wrote a little more of it for this story. I think Dagorlad made him withdrawn and unhappy and his experiences as a spy would not have shown him the best side of anyone.
I'm hoping things get exciting in Dale and that everyone survives it with their feelings for one another clarified a little.
This is indeed the first time I've written about Sinnarn as an adolescent. He was a really cute little kid and not a bad young adult, but he's trying his parents' patience right now. They must have been terrified by what happened and totally frustrated by his behavior!
elliska
· 23 January 2005
· Chapter 5: Trust
Sinnarn just doesn't have any luck with the other races, does he? Poor kid, I can't help but laugh at him. He just so wants to meet Men and Dwarves and those meetings just don't meet his expectations. Ithilden's reaction was probably fairly calm. I surely would not want to be brought home by the Home Guard. Ack!
Ooo, I'm excited about Eilian, Legolas and their keepers in Dale. The dynamics of that whole situation has so much potential. Sorry this has to be short, but I am on my way out of the house. I saw the new chap up and had to read it real fast. So much fun! I just love these stories.
Author's reply
I hadn't thought of it but you're right! Sinnarn's intentions are so good and things always go so wrong. Poor kid. He never intended to cause the kind of furor he did.
Eilian, Legolas and the keepers do generate an interesting four-way dynamic. I'm hoping I can keep it all in sight. We'll see how things go in Dale.
Tapetum Lucidum
· 22 January 2005
· Chapter 4: Taking on Responsibilities
Educ is either very brave or very stupid. Not everyone would have the intestinal fortitude to ask Thranduil for a bigger cut. What is he thinking?! You always do a great job of making Thranduil very imperious and definitely King of the Realm. I feel like I should be kneeling in some of these scenes. Sounds like some nasty rumors are in the air. I have complete faith in the King's ability to put an end to them. Eilian? I think he would do a good job too.
Extend his leave? Maybe Tinar will get to stay on patrol a little longer - much to his family's joy. "I will be diplomacy incarnate." - LOL! If there were a Queen running Dale I would feel a lot better about it. I agree with Ithilden. Eilian will do a good job and enjoy it at the same time. Maltanaur is going to have his hands full.
Sinnarn is currently quite a handful. I don't think I will ever be ready for teenagers. Alfirin and Ithilden's romantic interlude was very sweet. They are good for each other. Ithilden's statement that he wanted responsibility more than fun sounds very much in character for him. My brother-in-law was that way - never a kid - he was 5 going on 30.
I was glad to see the ever well behaved Crown Prince acting like a fool for a pretty maiden. It is amazing what a male will do for a smile. The trip to the top of the tree was very well described. I felt like I was hanging up there. I am glad he made it down in one piece and I'm even happier that Thranduil never found out about it. Ithilden would still be in the dungeon, ... I mean cellar. Very sad ending for Anin. It is lonely at the top - you can't be friends with your warriors. It is hard enought being brothers.
Great chapter!
Author's reply
This was Educ's first visit to Thranduil's stronghold, so he has a lot to learn! Thranduil was quite restrained, really. And he and Ithilden were both startled by the news of the rumors, so they learned something.
You made me laugh with the comment about how Eilian would do better with a queen than a king. That's so true. But he gets along with most folks, so we'll see how this goes. I hope Maltanaur wasn't enjoying his leave too much.
You'd better get ready for teenagers, because it's coming. My favorite age was 10. My son was wonderful at that age. And I did feel bad for Ithilden when I was writing that flashback. Alfirin was right. He did need someone to appreciate him. I'm so glad I gave him Alfirin because I think he was lonely.
Thranduil was away when this happened, fortunately. If he'd been there, he might have learned about it, but by the time he got back, other things had probably happened. In fact, I'm sure they did. :-)
ponypetter
· 22 January 2005
· Chapter 4: Taking on Responsibilities
Woohoo! Another story!
I love the part where Sinnarn is late to the feast. Poor thing, I bet his friends were late too and they still got to dance. It stinks having to be responsible.
I think if I were in Thranduil's position, I'd be rather worried about how excited Eilian was about the prospect of a trip to Dale. I could almost see this frightening grin on his face that I swear my own brother gets sometimes. You just have to tell yourself there's a 50% chance of things going well.
Author's reply
I feel kind of sorry for Sinnarn too. He can't control who he is. He just has to live up to his role. I suppose he has prvileges that flow from that role too, but they must seem poor compensation just now.
You made me laugh with that comment about your brother. I'm not sure a 50% chance is very comforting!
elliska
· 22 January 2005
· Chapter 4: Taking on Responsibilities
I'm sorry to be so late in reviewing this. Real life is invading my fan fic time in a major way the last two months. :(
This was a great chapter. Rumors! I love that. It has always fascinated me the damage even completely unfounded rumors can do. We see it even in modern politics. But I think it's funny how Thranduil heard that he was getting ready to break ties with Dale. Can you imagine hearing something like that in such a way. He handled it well. :)
And Eilian reminds me of when I used to go to conferences. I'd be so happy to go, thinking about all the touristy things I planned to see in the town--zoos, museums, historical sites...oh yeah, an hour out of my plans to attend my session and read my paper. I was the conference organizer's worst nightmare. I would never fail to present but I rarely attended any other session. “Eilian will do this task well, Adar. He will simply enjoy himself while he is doing it.” Indeed!
Oh and the potential for Legolas and Eilian to be in Dale together! I am just dying to see that. I hope Legolas and Beliond get to be Eilian's two guards.
But the thing I loved most about this chapter was the flashback. I loved the glimpse of Ithilden and his friends. That was a bit of his buried Eilian personality surfacing for just a second, wasn't it. I wonder if Thranduil knows about that little incident. And it is so sad all the way around. Ithilden was never able to make his own choices as an adult. They were made for him. He undoubtedly was not able to be as close to as many people because of who he is, his responsibilities and other people's reactions to those two things. And then you dropped that Anin was killed with the queen. Oh, you are cruel. What a life this family has had.
Great chapter.
Author's reply
RL can be a very thoughtless that way. I was just thinking of your story the other say and hoping to see the next installment start soon.
Thranduil and Ithilden were both startled by the rumor. I suppose it's not something anyone would have repeated easily to them. Thranduil was taken aback and knew at once that it was potentially serious. I think he surprised even himself when he concluded that Eilian was the natural person to send. And Eilian is like a lot of conference goers I know! I am such a boring person that I usually hang around the conference. I don't always go to sessions, but I do like to meet people from other places.
I think that one difference between Ithilden and Eilian in the kite incident is that Eilian would have enjoyed the danger, whereas Ithilden hates being out of control. But he still did it. I felt bad for him the entire time I was writing that flashback. He must have been such a lonely kid. He had a loving family, but I was really glad I'd provided him with Alfirin. She was right. He did need someone to appreciate him.
Brazgirl
· 21 January 2005
· Chapter 4: Taking on Responsibilities
Beliond, Beliond... I love when he curses. Tell me: is he the same age as Thranduil? You said that Maltanaur is, so I was wondering about Beliond.
Now you left me curious about those rumors. I wanna know about them too! I was trully surprised Thranduil sent his trouble son to an important mission as that one. His judgement about Eilian's qualities were good, I admit. I love when Eilian showed his brother how amused he was to be the one to go on the mission. He is just too much.
I was just reading some chapters of that fic of yours 'When shadow touches home'. Eilian loved Celuwen since then! Oh... that was so sweet. So cute! I wanted to hug him so tight when he confessed his father he was worried about her safety! Poor one!!!
Ithilden enjoying his wife... that was nice! I like him. Very much. I like his little tale a lot, though I believe the end of it was kind of sad. He should not be so strict to himself, especially concerning friends. But he might know by now. He is lucky to have Alfirin and she is lucky to have Ithilden, who loves her so openly.
Author's reply
LOL. I wonder if Thranduil knew about Beliond's vocabulary when he assigned him to be Legolas's bodyguard. I think he is of Thranduil's generation too. He might even be a little older. He had a son who died at Dagorlad.
Thranduil needed someone to represent him and who better than a son? Ithilden is busy and Legolas is too young. So that leaves Eilian, who is good with people and is only too eager to go. Thranduil is worried he's made a mistake!
Ithilden is very hard on himself. I felt so bad for him. I was glad I gave him Alfirin. She was right that he needed someone to appreciate him.
Ms. Whatsit
· 21 January 2005
· Chapter 4: Taking on Responsibilities
Aww.
I like Ithilden's view of his mother--it seems that he'd be the opposite of Eilian, identifying more with his father.
Author's reply
I think you're right that Ithilden identifies with his father, while Eilian identifies with his mother. I think it bothered Eilian to be excluded from the close relationship that his much older brother shared with Thranduil. I wonder how Ithilden reacted to his little brother Eilian's close tie to Lorellin.
Dot
· 21 January 2005
· Chapter 4: Taking on Responsibilities
Sorry now for dropping back in but just to let you know that I checked it up for myself. Maltanaur had a new grandchild at the start of “See the Stars” and Sinnarn was born in “One Year in Mirkwood”. So that’s about three or four years between them, isn’t it? I was just wondering what happened Maltanaur's grandchild because I did think it would be kind of cool for them to be friends. I know they’re elves so generally speaking that amount of time is nothing but it’s probably still a difference at their age if one is already a novice. But then, who’s to say the grandson wanted to be a warrior ;-)
Author's reply
Hm. That might be more like a two year difference. We'll see. It is a fun thought!
sofia
· 21 January 2005
· Chapter 4: Taking on Responsibilities
I love the idea of Eilian going to Dale. I'm sure that is going to be interesting to read about. I liked the little flashback story. I thought it was nice and I think it would be cool to mention his friends again.
-sofia
Author's reply
I'm hoping the trip to Dale is amusing. I've had him go to Esgaroth, but Dale seems to me to be a different kind of town.
The flashback to Ithilden's youth was fun to write. I love exploring the earlier lives of Legolas's brothers.
Dot
· 21 January 2005
· Chapter 4: Taking on Responsibilities
Excellent chapter, daw. My heart is broken for young Ithilden, though. Most people grow closer to their friends as they grow apart from their parents during adolescence so it’s so sad that Ithilden felt he couldn’t even do that. At least Eilian and Legolas always had their friends.
Oh well, I better go back to the start and forget about poor Ithilden until I get to him… I quite enjoyed that scene with Educ. He’s braver than I’d be, asking Thranduil for more commission when apparently the Elvenking has decided to cut ties with Men. I wonder if he came up with that request all by himself. I’m dying to know the story behind the rumours. If King Bram is going to listen to them I imagine they’d have to come from a fairly reliable source. I mean, whoever started the rumours would surely have to be someone who would have reason to know such things for them to be taken any bit seriously in the first place. I don’t see why it would be the Dwarves when it could mean that they’d end up having to deal with the Elves themselves. I’m more inclined to suspect Men. But then anything can happen in your stories and it’ll all make perfect sense in the end ;-) It was certainly a treat to see Thranduil and Ithilden rendered speechless for a minute.
The whole scene with Eilian was great. Marvellous choice to send him to Dale! I figured Legolas might end up there but didn’t think of Eilian. Ithilden needn’t bother trying to extend his leave – Eilian would probably much rather this than trying to find things to occupy him at home. I had to laugh at the way Thranduil keeps trying to curb Eilian’s enthusiasm with absolutely no success as Eilian edges towards the door. I notice it was simply taken for granted that Maltanaur would be going with him, even though he’s on leave too. His poor wife never gets to see him. Whatever happened his grandson? Isn’t he very close in age to Sinnarn? Or maybe it was a girl, I can’t quite remember. Anyway… Doesn’t Thranduil realise who’s in the Eastern patrol and probably dying for a chance to meet some Men?? Luckily Todith is easy going enough that Legolas might get his way. I doubt Beliond will be too pleased, though. But it might be a nice opportunity for him to see Eilian and Maltanaur’s relationship at work.
I love the “stockinged feet”! A relaxed Ithilden is good to see. And Sinnarn is lucky his adar was feeling so comfortable. Of course, having seen two brothers grow up, by the time his son starts acting rebellious he’s presumably learned to pick his battles. I hadn’t realised that they stopped having lessons once they became a novice. Sinnarn is never going to win this fight. “I do not understand why you are so stubborn about it!” LOL. And Sinnarn doesn’t have a stubborn bone in his body… I just love too how in love Ithilden and Alfirin are. His disappointment that he can’t help her undress is very cute. The way he counts himself so blessed to have her in his life always makes me just want to hug him and tell him that anyone would be lucky to have him in their life. But that’s just me. I was delighted she managed to get a story out of him. It’s rather interesting that he chose that particular one.
“Sometimes he thought she had no sense at all, although he had kept that opinion to himself since the one time he had voiced it in his father’s presence.” *cringe* I can imagine. Doesn’t he know that’s the ultimate sin in a father’s eyes?? It mightn’t have been too bad but I can just hear the blunt way Ithilden probably phrased it. It was good to see Celedë again and to know that she and Ithilden remained friends. Kite-flying, eh? That’s a new one. The kite sounds beautiful. Ah, and jealousy is something we’ve seen before in Ithilden. I remember him snapping at poor Penntalion. It seems to be the one area in his life where he’s completely insecure. My heart was in my mouth for the whole part with him climbing the tree. I had no idea how that was going to end. I was afraid he was going to hurt himself, but I guess the way it did end was nearly worse in a way. I had tears in my eyes when Anin tries to reassure him that he will still have time for him and then to see Ithilden so upset nearly undid me. And whereas Eilian might have found comfort in his mother, Ithilden just wants to be alone. In some ways I think that people like Lorellin, who can feel joy so easily can also feel every other emotion just as easily and by encouraging her son to just live life she was maybe hoping that he’d become more open. But as it is he kept his distance from the freedom of simple happiness by looking towards duty and as a result didn’t really know how to handle pain and sorrow either :-(
“Anin was one of the warriors who were with my naneth when she was attacked.” Oh, lord. I wonder if Thranduil realised that in the depth of his own grief because I doubt Ithilden would bring it up. How horrible for Ithilden to lose his mother and friend, in fact two of his friends. I hope it was the captain of the Home Guard and not Ithilden who gave Anin that assignment. It’s sad that he felt he couldn’t have close friendships once he was troop commander. I imagine, though, that he’d distanced himself long before that. *sigh* At least he has Alfirin to confide in and to love him. They’re just so wonderful together.
Thank you so much for the glimpse of Ithilden’s youth, especially quite a private memory. And roll on the next chapter! :-)
Author's reply
I have to say I felt badly for Ithilden as I wrote this chapter. He's so earnest and well intentioned and Alfirin is right: he needs someone to appreciate him. He just seems so alone to me, so driven to do the right thing even if it makes him miserable. His mother is also right. He'd be so much happier if he'd loosen up a little, but I don't think he could do that at all until he had Alfirin in his life. She's good for him.
I'm not sure how well-founded a rumor has to be in times of trouble before people start listening to it. Especially in these rather isolated pockets of people, spread far and wide with very unreliable means of communication. You'd like to think that a king would make sure of his facts, but even contemporary life tells us that rulers don't always do that.
You stopped me cold trying to think of how old Maltanaur's grandchild (a boy, I think) would be. Wasn't he talking about him at the start of "The Warrior"? That would make him about Sinnarn's age. Hm. I'll have to look. If it turns out right, maybe I can make him be one of Sinnarn's friends! That would be cool. LOL. I wonder how Maltanaur would react to that.
I thought that elves would have basic lessons while they were young (and we're talking thirty years or so of lessons here) and then would have the rest of their lives to learn if they wanted to. They could consult books or listen to the songs and stories of their people. There wouldn't be the same pressure to learn all at once if you have forever. It's hard to imagine.
Doesn’t he know that’s the ultimate sin in a father’s eyes?? He does now!
You know, I was thinking about Ithilden being jealous and wondering if that doesn't signify a chink in the self-regard of the troop commander. He's pretty self assured, but he seems to doubt that a woman will love him. That's so sad!
I think we'll be seeing at least one more glimpse of Ithilden's youth. He's turning out to be very interesting.
Thanks for the review, Dot.
White Wolf
· 21 January 2005
· Chapter 4: Taking on Responsibilities
I just love it when some poor human has to face Thrandiil in one of his angry moods. He reminds ome of a venomous snake ready to strike. A red neck and narrowed eyes is not a good sign for the hapless person.
The minute Thranduil said for Eilian to take two guards with him, you know who I htought of. I'm hoping that's your plan. Besides spending more time with his brother, Legolas will get to be around more humans like he wants to do.
Author's reply
Thranduil would be scary as anything when he was angry. It's amazing that all of his sons faced that and even provoked it sometimes. But then, of course, they knew he loved them and the Men of Dale have no such assurance!
I think your plan for who should escort Eilian is an excellent one.
perelleth
· 21 January 2005
· Chapter 4: Taking on Responsibilities
Yesss! nice surprise for a Friday!
Hohooo, I so much love it when Thranduil is angry... you manage to picture him in so different ways of enragement.. and then all are terrifying! I especially like that hint about the red tingeing his neck.. it's so graphic!!!! I can picture Ithilden mentally ticking off the symptoms "red neck, feral groan, flat answer.. and now... yes, throat!It's over! bring in another one, by the way Adar, this one was a new personal record! ;-) Now, speaking seriously, it is very worrying, and it can be either someone is trying to take profit of this, or is trying to isolate the woodland realm from their neighbours to have them in a difficult position...mmm is it about trade or dark things? I'm eager to see the result of it all...
I like te consistency of your characters, for I find myself able to understand their behaviours even when i've not yet read half of their (well, rather your)stories. Ithilden's story was lovely, so in character with this serious heir... I suppose being raised as an only child and with such responsibilities weighed on him,but then it was in his nature too and Thranduil must have been ecstatic at having an heir so like him!. Anyway, you've ben good to him giving him such a wonderful family of his own after all those years of being so serious and "proper" He may be starting to know a whole different world now!
I wonder what kind of heart atack might Thranduil have suffered, had Eilian been his eldest!!!! Poor one. I'm glad Thranduil gives him a chance, but then why cannot he simply accept how he is? Geee some people are never content with what they have... a good spirited son who smiles when you ask him to give up his leave...Eilian's sin is being happy, isn't it? He should pretend to be an overbusy, overconcerned and overresponsible CEO of his patrol, and maybe he would get away with a bit more praise than he gets from his Adar... ;-)
Mmm. anyway, I somehow have the feeling he's going to enjoy this mission and he may be thinking of enlisting a very special escort from the Eastern Patrol... and then, enraging his Adar again. Pity he seems to crave his father's recognition, for he seems not to know what to do how to win it!
I bet Dale is going to be an interesting place for the next weeks, with this two sons of Thranduil on "special assignment" with their two minders on tow!!
(Wow! I'm intruding!!!);-)
Author's reply
Isolating Thranduil and the Wood-elves from the Men and Dwarves who live near them must look like a tempting and useful project. The races approach one another with caution and some suspicion anyway, and dividing them would surely be an advantage to any enemy. But then, money is always a good motive too.
I felt bad for Ithilden as I was writing about him. He's so serious and responsible and he must have been lonely. He had his family, true, but Alfirin was right. He needed someone to appreciate him. You made me laugh, talking about how Thranduil would have reacted if Eilian had been the heir. Oh my goodness. I can't even imagine that. I suspect that Eilian is deeply grateful not only for Ithilden's existence, but even Sinnarn's, although Sinnarn is a long way from ready to assume any sort of rule yet. Valar willing, he'll never have to.
Eilian's sin is being a wood-elf, in a way. He's impulsive and adventurous, and he frightens the wits out of his father.
I think two sons of Thranduil and their minders would make twice as good a story about Dale!
The Karenator
· 21 January 2005
· Chapter 4: Taking on Responsibilities
When I first saw Educ's name, I thought it was an abbreviation of education. Appropriate, I'd say. And, as it turns out, he got an education from the king! Thranduil is not one to be easily deceived or pushed into something he doesn't want. I'm really looking forward to seeing Eilian, the emissary, go on his trip. Gee, wonder who he'll take with him as his official escort? I can just see the little grin on his face when he requests two of the eastern patrol. And I can just see the look on Thranduil's face when he finds out that two of his sons are out in the big world. I remember a few stories back where you put Maltanuar and Beliond together for a short scene and it was great. I can't wait to see how both the handlers deal with their charges in the big city.
Well, Sinnarn is a bundle of hormones, isn't he? He's at such a odd-duck age: too old to be a child and too young to be an adult. Yep, I know all about those 'monster' ages. And at this age, you have this 'male' thing going on. Boys start to challenge other male authority figures. (I guess females have their equivalent too, but being the mother of males, I'm more familiar with their maturity rituals...and I, of course, was the picture-perfect daughter. Was that thunder, I heard?) Anyway, Sinnarn is trying his limits. Ithilden was quite calm when the mouth of Mirkwood clamped it shut and slammed the door instead. That's just another form of irritated retort. The non-verbal blast. I could feel Ithilden's weary shoulders drop when the tutor came up again. I joined him in sympathy.
A glimpse into Ithilden's childhood friends was nice. I didn't see Anin death's coming. I can only imagine what a blow that was to Ithilden. He lost not only his mother, but someone else that he had cared about and I imagine, respected. The saddest thing I think Ithilden said--beyond the death of his friend and his mother--was that he could no longer allow himself the luxury of close friendships with the warriors who served under him. I'm not sure I'd agree, and I think it would depend on the maturity of both warrior and commander, but I can understand why he felt that way. Ithilden's burdens of birth have always weighed heavily on him. Sometimes, I think a little too much. But that's his personality. Alfirin seems to be the only outsider he's let into his protective place. He really does need her to give him the unconditional love he craved, but couldn't quite bring himself to allow from others outside his family.
And when everything seems to be going to pot, a little snuggling always helps.
Looking forward to the trip to Dale. We haven't seen Thranduil acknowledge Eilian's gift for judging people in a good while. I was glad to see that facet of Eilian's personality recognized. Now...let the flirting begin.
Karen
Author's reply
My name generator gave me Educ and I too had trouble seeing it as anything other than an abbreviation of Education! But I was too lazy to go get another name, so the guy was stuck. This was his first trip to see Thranduil. He was nervous about it but not nervous enough apparently. I'm really looking forward to trying to sort out the roles of the two keepers too, although I think it will take some thought.
I think of Sinnarn as smart like his father, but rather young for his age. Maybe that's the wood elf in him. And I think of Elves in general and Ithilden in particular as valuing self control, so Sinnarn has a few lessons to learn yet that have nothing to do with his tutor. Ithilden is being quite patient actually.
I felt really sorry for Ithilden as I was writing that stuff about how hard he found it to have friends and then keep them, given his role in life. Thank goodness he has his family and Alfirin now. He deserves a reward for the unselfish way he's devoted his life to his duty. And fortunately Alfirin was in a position to reward him! ;-)
thechevin
· 21 January 2005
· Chapter 4: Taking on Responsibilities
This was lovely thank you
The story of Ithilden's youth and his attitude towards life came over extremely well although it was sad to see him loose his friends eventaully and in such a cruel fashion
Poor Sinnarn obviously feels the whole elven realm is against him at the present, he may have benefited from hearing about his father's early life or perhaps more appropriately Eilian's as they are very alike.
Even Ithilden saw that today.
As fro this trip to Dale do I dare hope that I know which two warriors may be chosen to act as escort?
And will we see the toymakers again I fear we might
The ending was a delight
Author's reply
I felt bad for Ithilden. Alfirin was right. He did need someone to appreciate him. I think he's had a hard time. I'm glad his family values him, and that he's now respected as troop commander. And he has people like his aide who know how good he is. Sigh. Poor baby.
Time will cure what ails Sinnarn, and as an elf, he should have lots of it. I think that the press of events drove Thranduil's three sons into early responsibility. Maybe Sinnarn won't have to do that.
I think you and I may be thinking alike about who should escort Eilian to Dale!
Bodkin
· 20 January 2005
· Chapter 4: Taking on Responsibilities
'Sometimes he thought she had no sense at all, although he had kept that opinion to himself since the one time he had voiced it in his father’s presence.'
My, but that would be an interesting scene - and I'll bet it still has the potential to make Ithilden cringe, even some six hundred years on.
You also had me wondering about Eilian/Gelmir and Legolas/Annael after a similar period of time had passed. They won't have quite the same troop commander/warrior conflicts to drive them apart - but, in adulthood, it is often shared experience rather than age that makes current friendships. Eilian is now married - and possibly soon to be an Adar, Annael the same. The unbonded Gelmir and Legolas are at a different stage in their lives. I hope they stay close, regardless, but Eilian has changed - he no longer notices pretty ellyth as I recall, and will change more. I think Legolas will stay loyal to Annael - (apart from anything else, he loves his naneth!) - but it will not be the same. Oh well, Annael will become family!
On the Eilian/Celuwen elfling front - the other day, I was picturing them landed with an elleth who can't bear getting muddy and got excited by learning new embroidery stitches. (It's a bit of a one-trick pony, but they would both be so disconcerted!)
Well - raging sea of a Sinnarn meets granite cliff of an Ithilden. (Mind you, Ithilden's right.) I think Ithilden must have discovered a few things while elder brothering Legolas - even if it's not the same when you can't hand over responsibility.
I loved Alfirin coaxing little Ithilden stories out of him. I hope she entices him to tell her some more tales not known by omniscient Adar! Poor elfling - he's such a macho male that his time of surging hormones must have been terrible, both for him and his poor parents. Still, it's just as well Celede turned to Anin - or Ithilden wouldn't still have been available for Alfirin. Meant, that's what it was.
I wonder why people have been spreading rumours about the evil Elvenking. To whose benefit? Eilian will be a good ambassador - if he can avoid a few obvious pitfalls. And I think that I am anticipating some fellow-keeper interaction here. I hope Maltanaur opens Beliond's eyes to the fact that the training wheels need to come off. It will be good for the brothers Thranduilion to spend some quality time together saving the kingdom, too. And if one charming prince is good, two must be better, nicht wahr?
'Thranduil sighed. “Tell me I have not just committed a grave error.”'
Good line. I love the ease between Thranduil and his eldest: give him half a millennium and he might have the same level of confidence in the other two. Maybe.
Author's reply
My beta also wanted to see the scene that occurred when Ithilden said his mother had no sense, but I just couldn't work it in. I'll bet that Thranduil was protective of his Wood-elf wife, even if he probably thought more like Ithilden than he did like her.
I was wondering about the friendship of Eilian and Gelmir in particular. Eilian has been Gelmir's captain, after all. But I think Eilian and Legolas are both more easy going and can probably handle the friend/work role conflict better than Ithilden did. I don't have as good a sense of Gelmir, actually, but Annael and Legolas will stay loyal to one another. I was wondering the other day if Annael would have gone to Ithilien. His daughter would have married into Thranduil's house by that time, and I think he'd be reluctant to leave her even if he could talk his wife and mother into moving.
Ithilden did indeed learn some things from having Legolas around. He's giving Sinnarn a little leeway and I think that's good. And he's mulling over what Sinnarn might really need.
I felt bad for adolescent Ithilden. He had a hard time. I'm so glad he has Alfirin now.
And indeed, Eilian is going to need two guards from the Eastern Border Patrol. Who shall we send? Tinar? I don't think so!
French Pony
· 20 January 2005
· Chapter 4: Taking on Responsibilities
So Mirkwood has kite-eating trees, just like in the old "Peanuts" comics? How cute! Of course, not so cute if one is Ithilden, nearly getting seriously hurt showing off for a girl who's going to marry someone else. I wonder if that was how Gelmir felt hanging out with Celuwen and Eilian.
Speaking of Eilian. . .
Eilian grinned. “I will be diplomacy incarnate, Adar.”
You better believe that. Everyone sure will be Eilian's friend in Dale. It's probably a good thing that Eilian is a basically honorable young Elf, because he could have made a hell of a con man. He's such a people person, and he has that kind of charisma that makes people fall under his spell without even noticing it. I'm sure he could convince people to send their bank account numbers to Nigeria with only a wink and a smile.
It must be really irritating for Thranduil to have to deal with short-lived Men. Every time he turns around the Men's current representative has upped and died of old age, and there's a new one to deal with. And he has to learn the new representative's quirks and how to manipulate them, and just when he's got that one down pat, there's a new one.
I guess, from the Men's perspective, that Thranduil must get increasingly difficult to deal with as the generations progress, so it's not entirely surprising that so many believe the rumors that he'll be severing all relations with them. But someone had to have started those rumors, and I'm sure he's got some tricks up his sleeve. We'll just have to see how his tricks match up with the combined tricks of Eilian and Legolas, who, I'm sure, will find some way to ensnare himself in this affair, if only to piss off Beliond.
Author's reply
I felt bad for Ithilden. He's such an earnest kid, and he's not the kind of person that other kids would appreciate at all. I'm glad I gave him Alfirin to comfort him. And now I think he's highly valued by everyone because of his gallant service to the realm. But still, he was a lonely kid sometimes.
My beta once was talking about the different leadership styles of the three Thranduilion (we were trying to figure out Legolas's). She said people follow Ithilden because he says, "Do it or you'll be sorry you were born," (and also I think he's proven himself to be trustworthy) but they follow Eilian because he says, "Follow me!" and they just want to.
Ah yes, Beliond is likely to be put on edge by a little trip to Dale, don't you think? All by itself that's a good reason to make Legolas and Beliond be the escort for Eilian and Maltanaur. :-)
OT: Do you think that anyone actually does send their bank account numbers to Nigeria? How big a fool do you have to be to respond to those emails?
esamen
· 20 January 2005
· Chapter 4: Taking on Responsibilities
“Yes, Adar.” Eilian had not sat down during this discussion and now he was edging toward the door. “I assume you want me to leave at once?” he asked hopefully.
Eilian is so handsome and darling. I hope he gets to flirt a bit during his mission.
Lots of plot lines here! I love them all, and I am especially looking forward to some wonderful "keeper" action in this story. I can't wait to get back to Legolas and Eilian. . . I just love the Elvish warrior (or diplomat) action scenes. I'm looking forward to what you'll put out of the hat this time.
Lovely moment with Ithilden and Alfirin . . . Ithilden doesn't seem to be as much of a controlling father as Thranduil was, eh? I don't remember Legolas ever talking to his father in quite that tone of voice and getting away with it.
Thanks for updating so fast! Finding this chapter tonight was an unexpected treat!
Author's reply
If there are women in Dale, then Eilian will get to flirt. I don't think he can NOT do it, although maybe once he and Celuwen bond he settles down a little. He should remember how good she is with a knife.
I have seldom had a chance to put Maltanaur and Beliond in the same scenes, and I'm hoping for a chance to do that this time. Maltanaur has had a few more years to learn how the keeper thing works, and he's just a more relaxed person than Beliond is to start with. He'd have to be. Eilian and Beliond would have killed one another within six months if Thranduil had assigned Beliond to him.
I think that having Legolas around softened Ithilden up for fatherhood a little. He was sure he knew how to handle Legolas and found he was mistaken a few times, but then he did learn how to ease up on him a little. So Sinnarn benefits. Plus of course Alfirin is there whereas Legolas was on his own.
Rede
· 20 January 2005
· Chapter 4: Taking on Responsibilities
Oh! That was so nice! I'm still reading your stories...still losing sleep...and couldn't be happier! It's going to be interesting seeing Eilian interact with humans.
Author's reply
I'm hoping it will be interesting! I've always been intrigued by what Dale must have been like before Smaug came. There's something about Elrond's reference to the "merry bells" of Dale that makes it sound like a pretty little town. I hope you're not losing too much sleep!
Alice
· 20 January 2005
· Chapter 4: Taking on Responsibilities
I love how affectionate Alfirin and Ithilden are together. Ithilden's a smart elf making sure she knows how much she means to him. They're very sweet together.
I'm glad that Ithilden did have friends. I have to confess I wondered what had happened to Celede. Poor Ithilden though. He's much more isolated as the crown prince than the others are. It's sad. It's good that he has Alfirin. I have to admit though, it was funny watching him do something stupid to impress a girl. The troop commander's fallible after all. I feel so sad for Ithilden though, losing his friends just from general life stuff. Poor guy.
So Eilian's taking his show on the road, huh? It should be interesting watching him charm everyone in Dale. Or at least we hope he'll charm them all and put those nasty rumors to rest. Eastern Border Patrol huh? I'd suggest he take Legolas, but Thranduil would kill him. Scratch that. Beliond would intimidate one of the younger warriors into distracting Maltaunar and string Eilian up by his heels before throwing Legolas over a horse and taking him far, far away from Eilian's influence. Should be interesting whoever he takes. Ten to one Todith unloads Tinar on him. Diplomatically, that's not a bright idea, but sanity wise for poor Foril and his friends, I fully support it.
So, interesting chapter. Thranduil needs to stop intimidating the men though. It's simply not nice of him. He always assumes the worst of people, particularly men. As a member of the race of men, I'm irritated. However, since it's Thranduil and he's in general so kick butt, I will make allowances. I look forward to the next chapter. Update soon, por favor.
Author's reply
I have to give Ithilden a loving relationship with his wife because I do feel sorry for him. I think he had a tough time growing up, partly as crown prince and partly just because of his kind of intense personality. I'm not sure the wood elves around him would take to that well.
Tinar?! Tinar?! That would kill that mission pretty quickly. I think we'll have to see whether Legolas is allowed to act like any other warrior. I'm looking forward to seeing Beliond react!
I don't think Thranduil can stop intimidating men. He just doesn't have it in him. Fortunately, he has Eilian.
meckinock
· 20 January 2005
· Chapter 4: Taking on Responsibilities
I guess with mouthy Elvish teenagers, you have to threaten to ground them until they're....500? Sinnarn is certainly working on it, but on the other hand he seems to have worn his old man down already. Or maybe Ada simply has other things on his mind...
Well, Thranduil certainly made Eilian's day! I can't wait to see how he interacts with the Men of Dale. What a great solution - give him something to do besides rotate back and forth between the South and the stronghold. I hope Maltanaur isn't as suspicious about Men as Beliond is; that could really put a damper on things.
Ithilden was so painfully eager to grow up - I can see him wearing his Boy Scout uniform to school, complete with all the merit badges. I was sure he was going to break an arm falling from that tree and really impress the daylights out of his friends. I think it's just as well Alfirin didn't know him as a youngster!
Author's reply
Sinnarn is working on self-control. As Alfirin says, he didn't say anything rude. He just slammed the door. Ithilden is being very patient really. He probably learned something from trying to make Legolas straighten up.
Maltanaur is a much easier person to get along with than Beliond is. Eilian would never have survived with Beliond. But I think Legolas is wishing that Beliond would be a little more like Maltanaur. We'll see.
I feel bad for young Ithilden. He had a rough time, and Alfirin's right: he did need someone to appreciate him. Fortunately, life is long for elves. He has time to enjoy it now.
lwarren
· 20 January 2005
· Chapter 4: Taking on Responsibilities
Now this little jewel of a chapter had a bit of everything:
Thranduil seriously considering a rage: Educ can be thankful that Thranduil just had the guard escort him out, rather than evicting him himself like he might have wanted to. Those rumors are suddenly very serious, and Eilian to the rescue *sounds the trumpets*!!
Thranduil seriously considering having his head examined: I had to snicker when Thranduil looks at Ithilden and says "Did I just make a big mistake?" LOL I can just see him, especially after Eilian and his laughing, rubbing his hands together in delight, way of accepting the assignment. I'd pause for a moment, too. :-) So someone in the Eastern Patrol will accompany Eilian and Maltanaur (YAY, Maltanaur is entering the story!) to see King Bram. Gee, I wonder who it might possibly be?????? Then again, probably following the wrong trail...been known to happen. ;-)
Ithilden in stocking feet contemplating the mental workings of the male elf adolescent, i.e. Sinnarn - who of course is hot to become a WARRIOR and thus, one of the EX-students of that wicked, cruel tutor who obviously knows that the only way to keep an intelligent, hyperactive (hmmmm...not elfling anymore...must think of new term...elf-ado..naaah, teenelf...yuck...oh well) elf "kid" busy is to pile the work on....lol. Yes, I just love those repetitive arguments...Ithilden's response was priceless...are we going to have that conversation AGAIN?
Ithilden's adventure into the world of risk: What a great story...and the poor guy is beset by a great many emotions all at once: jealousy over the girl, envy over Anin's becoming a novice before, anger at his parents for not understanding, incredulous amazement at his escapade in the tree, and wanting to hide somewhere and just cry his eyes out! I agree with Alfirin, he needed someone there to appreciate him...Had to sniff some at the fate of his two friends....very sad.
Ithilden's adventure into the world of whoopee: The ending was just perfect, daw...after revealing that reckless venture, we see the serious elf getting down to some serious (tho' joyful..I loved that!) foolin' around with his appreciative wife! Wonderful, really good stuff, daw!
linda
Author's reply
Thranduil really is lucky that he has a kid like Eilian who would do well at this kind of thing because Thranduil sure wouldn't be making nice with the men very well. And you know, I think if one son of the king and his keeper make a good envoy to Dale, then two of each might be twice as good!
Ithilden is being very patient with Sinnarn, I think. He's firm. The kid has to have lessons (I think of Sinnarn as smart like his father)and he should be learning self control, but in the meantime, if he does what he's supposed to, he can be mad. I think dealing with Legolas softened Ithilden up a little.
Ithilden really was in turmoil at this age, poor thing. I don't think he drew on a support system of friends as well as his younger brothers did. I really felt for him. I'm so glad he had Alfirin now.