perelleth
· 21 October 2005
· Chapter 10: A Masculine Touch
I like the way this chapter flows across the halls and back in time. THe backstory is moving, as it is Laerlínath's faith in her beloved, although I cannot help thinking that she had sone kind of foresight to at least match her love for him.. And he was lovable in his protectivenes, and you've been quite kind to him. I feared that he would embaras himself more deeply! Why is she so frightened remains to be seen, but it doesn't matter all that. The description of the guard keeper and his duty was greatly done, as well as the tempo with which you matched Aurthôn progress towards de door, his fears that he would be rejected and the moment the guard nods to him and signals to the wards. Very well done!
Author's reply
Thanks for all that! Because I was not really happy with the writing on this chapter. But, I told myself I would not go two months without an update to this story again. ;) There is more to this scene, but it grew too long for one chapter.
And thanks for the review!
*g* I like Aurthon too much to really embarass him. He is a nice guy at heart. That does not mean I would not hurt him bad. ];}
Bodkin
· 21 October 2005
· Chapter 10: A Masculine Touch
Galadriel's close friends would have to be strong, I think. Or she would end up having none at all. Although, she was Melian's friend, not Luthien's, and I have always thought Luthien stonger than her mother.
Melian's friend - or acolyte? I've always rather imagined that Galadriel was able to accept Melian as someone fit to guide her - as a queen and a Maia, Melian was one of the few to outrank and outpower Finarfin's daughter. And that she felt comfortable with Luthien as an equal. Or perhaps wary of Luthien as an equal.
And Luthien as stronger than her mother. In some ways. More pig-headed. Less adaptable, maybe. More in-the-world, certainly. Melian's grasp on elves and politics and life, I think, came through Elu's eyes.
But it's all in the interpretation.
Author's reply
Oh well, I do think Galadrield was both friend and student of Melian. The queen was another reason besides Celeborn for Galadriel to stay in Menegroth when she could have been the chatelaine(cum queen or other ruling official)of Nargothrond along side her brother. The Queen and the elven-queen are often shown in conversation and Melian actually confides in Galadriel when she thinks Thingol is headed for trouble about his policy against Men. The direct parallel between Thingol&Melien/Celeborn&Galadriel cannot be ignored. I know it is because of how the story was developed, but Luthien is never show in conversation with Galadriel.
Melian as one of the few [women] to outrank and outpower Galadriel? Definitely, and I think Luthien was one of those few as well. Not at all an equal. She was always more powerful even if she did not overtly use that power. She followed her mother's example (pattern if you like) of working powerful magic under necessity only. Whereas Artanis was competitive and forceful and less powerful until she got Nenya.
As to her family 'rank', all Galadriel's cousins and brothers outranked her. She was one of the youngest offspring of the youngest Finwean and youngest Olwean - besides being female. Even Aredhel was more 'senior' as the daughter of the second son. All the more reason Artanis had to exert what powers she did possessed to gain an influential position. Aredhel was pretty fierce herself, but not so political. I really think Indis would not have been as strong a personality if her mother had lived and raised her.
As to her social 'rank', Galadriel was a princess only by breeding and not the heir to a kingdom. Luthien (or her son if you would skip over females) was heiress to her parents' kingdom. Neither of Galadriel's parents were crown heirs. She had plenty of reason to go adventuring because she would not gain a throne any other way, probably not even through marriage either, in Aman. Luthien was more Finrod's equal and could have been considered a match for him.
So, I have real reservations that Galadrial saw Luthien as an equal at any time. Except as another Eldar princess. You would have to reject the theory that Light can be transmitted if you would say Galadriel had an Amanyar advantage over Luthien for having seen the Trees. And ultimately, Luthien was part Maiar and another rung up on Galadriel in that regard.
Personal politics was Galadriel's real gamefield. With her wisdom and finally taking advantace of her gender, she outdid everyone. Partly because she was always learning. And motivated (some would just say ambitious) not only to exceed her brothers and cousins, but to find a rewarding purpose in life. She needed freedom to pursue happiness. Obviously, she won some and she lost some. The point is she became wiser with the ages and changed her goals and tactics. She grew into her power unlike Melian and Luthien. That says a lot to me.
I agree that Melian saw elven life through Thingol because she transformed herself to match him. He was her attachment to his people and kingdom. But, that in itself was an incredible adaption and a willing confinement made to be in-the-world. I think Luthien was stronger than her mother in that she dared more, like facing Morgoth in his lair. She would take the offensive where Melian was entirely defensive. Thingol executed the offensive moves for their team. Just as Celeborn would do for his and Galadriel's partnership.
OMG, you did it to me again!! This really should have been an email. You being a fan of Galadriel's you probably can shred my terse arguments. I don't mind at all if you do. I like her too, but for who she is. Imho, any marion figure is only what you make of her manifestation. What Tolkien wanted and what we ended up with in print is debatable in itself.
Bodkin
· 20 October 2005
· Chapter 10: A Masculine Touch
Oh, I love this. Naughty Elrovail - a very clever version of the truth there, my lady. Designed to drive the helpless male of the species to protective panic - and doubtless to make him feel a total fool later.
Aurthôn rushing through the crowds - pushing and shoving and stepping past the minor lords and ladies seeking access to the great and powerful - is so beautifully done. I can soooo see this usually hidden side of elven society - no bunch of immortals is going to live in permanent easy-going harmony. At least, no group of immortals who produce characters such as Feanor and Maeglin and Galadriel to name but three.
He is so delightfully defensive of Laerlínath. (Lovely backstory, by the way. I like her lots more now.) And remarkably brave, even to think so critically of the fearsome Lady Galadriel. I love the way he considers the fact he is let though into the inner sanctum is proof positive that his wife is in trouble - and their reunion is so touching.
But becoming a lady-in-waiting to someone who turns you into a pillar of salt at a glance sounds a bit of a dangerous situation. And spending time with Celebrian could be risky, too - she's as clever as a barrel-load of monkeys. Inherited manipulativeness from both father and mother!
Love Mirathel too. Gorgeous powerful females - great. Such an enjoyable chapter.
Author's reply
*g* Elrovail is not evil. She's just drawn to it that way.
Thank you for saying that. I believe you once said that elven society seems to lack depth. Well, I for one do not think so and hope to throw a few into the deep end.
L&A really do love each other. But, my goal was just to let people know them better, not necessarily make her more likable. But, I'm glad you think she isn't *all* that bad.
Laerlinath is well aware of the power of Galadriel and the danger of getting on her wrong side again. You have anticipated the rest of this scene. However, she does have an advantage over Celebrian by virtue of having lived the same sort of childhood as the little princess. Of course, Laerlinath never tried keeping a green-elf warrior as a pet.
Galadriel's close friends would have to be strong, I think. Or she would end up having none at all. Although, she was Melian's friend, not Luthien's, and I have always thought Luthien stonger than her mother.
Thank you, I am glad you found it enjoyable!
Bodkin
· 6 September 2005
· Chapter 9: A Feminine Touch
I am coming to the end of my roughed out chapters. And my ideas for the next phase have shifted which means a huge rewrite and slower updates. I am not quitting on it; I shall continue. You're just out of luck. ;)
Noooooooo!! Slower updates! This is not good. I want to know more about Hrassa and the politics of Ost-in-Edhil! And the Dragonlady (- I like powerful females - after all, Galadriel is one of my favourite elves) - I relish seeing the manoeuvring of all these really formidable elves.
Oh well - it can't be helped. But keep working on it - and perhaps I'll be surprised sooner rather than later.
perelleth
· 4 September 2005
· Chapter 9: A Feminine Touch
This getting better and better!
I really like Celebrimbor. He's smart, has a fine sense of humour, and to me he's a true fëanorian at their best. The backstory of his friendship with Hrassa is very interseting, much as his being in confidence with the "old butler!" to the point that Celebrimbor knew that he intended to depart while Celeborn was completely unawares! That's surely an interesting story!
For a brief moment, Celebrimbor thought about introducing him to Hrassa :-) Wicked sense of humour, indeed... Celebrmibor hoped Hrassa would not be greatly changed. If nothing else, let him have kept his sense of humor! The cogndîr was able to appreciate the ironies of life and one of the very few people able to joke with Celeborn And HRassa would no doubtly be up to the challenge. Poor dwarf-lord! He should be grateful that he managed to ran away with just a fine!
But Galadriel's dragon is such a character! A formidable opponent for these scheming, playful guys! I liked how she ate up poor Aurthôn with a single bite! and got easily rid of one disturbance before continuing her hunt! Poor Celebrimbor! I fear he's ore likely to be trapped by her than to enjoy a nice evening with his friends.
The atmosphere is engaging, the palace, the lights, the music, the people crowding the different areas while these two elves pursue their own agenda across the halls is quite amusing, as well as a nice in-depth into this less than blessed court!
Author's reply
Thanks! I am glad you think so.
Well, it would have been really wrong for Hrassa to not leave some kind of note behind or somehow let people know what happened to him. That Celebrimbor never blabbed tells a lot of his character and a lot to Hrassa.
I do try to amuse and it is nice to know that I sometimes succeed. ;) Just to be clear, Khror is not a lord, but a master craftsman. Hence, he does not possess an aristocatic personality.
Ha! Yep, she is rather a dragon lady, isn't she? I think she got Celebrimbor's number, too. He won't confront her for any reason, it seems.
An idyllic and harmonious court is no fun. Besides, I really don't think Annatar would have stuck around so long if the ground was not fertile enough for growing his plots and plans.
Thank you for your review and please, don't hate me if I continue to be slow with the updates.
Bodkin
· 4 September 2005
· Chapter 9: A Feminine Touch
That's one very dangerous seeming female, with a feminine touch to be wary of! Just as well she's lady-in-waiting to Galadriel, who is an even more dangerous female. But licentious games! Damaging the reputation of the Umanyar! Perhaps Hrassa is needed here.
I love the impression I'm getting of Hrassa as some powerful eminence grise almost in spite of himself - with Celebrimbor grateful to have been accepted into a tentative friendship with him. It's such a reversal of the normal image of Celebrimbor.
And watching Aurthon get Celebrimbor away from Khror - quick-thinking elf! - and dragging him into the shrubbery is such a great perspective on the evening. Although watching the two of them dash round the building evading courting couples and predatory ellyth is perhaps the most delicious element of all. I'm not sure Aurthon's not being taken for a sucker in being summoned to attend Laerlínath, but it was very amusing to watch his chain being pulled.
And don't say Celebrimbor's evening of - er - diplomacy is going to be wasted. I look forward to seeing him and Hrassa together.
I do so enjoy this story. It is so full of subtle edges and references. Excellent work.
Author's reply
Heh! Just don't be too surprised at Hrassa's relationships with the ladies of the household.
Hrassa is a trustworthy indicator of character if you can understand his Nandorin as do most Umanyar, I think. I'm glad you appreciate my approach to Celebrimbor. Too bad things later turn out as they do.
Glad to entertain in any small way. ;D But, please don't be like Celebrimbor and expect only bad things from Elrovail. Even dragon ladies have real feelings.
I do not think they will catchup to each other next chapter, but they will eventually. Hrassa will try to make the rounds with all his old aquaintences.
Thank you very much for saying that! But, I am coming to the end of my roughed out chapters. And my ideas for the next phase have shifted which means a huge rewrite and slower updates. I am not quitting on it; I shall continue. You're just out of luck. ;)
Bodkin
· 9 August 2005
· Chapter 8: A Dangerous Future
He became kinda like a her living keepsake of Celeborn at a very bad time in her life. But, that's another story.
And one I would very much like to hear!
And the Dior/Nimloth situation didn't last very long, did it? Celeborn has already known Elrond since the previous age - and will have the rest of this one to check him out. And then maybe politics will combine with paternal pride. Or maybe he will have learned by then that his daughter has inherited too much of her parents' genes to be manipulated by anyone!
perelleth
· 9 August 2005
· Chapter 8: A Dangerous Future
What a great chapter!
I loved Celeborn's magic and playful prestidigitation! It was great for it added that phisycal touch to the conversation, it was fun to try and picture the whole scene: the "prison" card and the stone walls, the music from the feast and the grim guards, and Celeborn moving his hands and disclosing that wonderful plan, that brilliant concoction which turned out to be just *another* layer of the deepest trutuh.
I found Celeborn's *plot* interesting in some points. It is interseting to see that Amdir and Oropher are not yet kings at this point, and that Celeborn will enver be one. I so much agree with you in that, in the fact that he never sought it, I mean! :-)
His intentions to build a kind of "superstructure" for "all elves" is endearing and it gives him credit. pIty that things won't turn out that way, unfortunately, but his intentions are good and... has he set his eye upon Elrond as a son in law already? :-)
And Hrassa is such a wonderful strong, so very fittingly developed character! At one point, I almost espected that he would feel the urge to hit the playfuul prince, rather than shake him ! :-) THe guards wouldn't have taken it kindly, though!
It is fascinating how you are building this story in such a delicate moment. The fall of Eregion will change so many things...
A wonderful wonderful chapter. GO on as you may, but do go on! :-)
Author's reply
You are so kind! Your words mean alot to me after reading your own complex story, "New Beginnings". "Many Fruitless Victories" too!
History does not come wrapped up like a present with a big bow. It happens - just like some other natural functions usually left out of fiction. And the plans of mice and elves often go awry... give or take a millenium. ...so Do Not Panic
Well, we'll be back with Celebrimbor in the next chapter.
Thanks for reviewing!
Bodkin
· 9 August 2005
· Chapter 8: A Dangerous Future
So Celeborn has his sights on a great future? With himself as the conjurer? Not himself a king, but with the ear of several? I almost see Elrond tagged as 'son-in-law' material already here.
I should think Hrassa's brain is aching with the effort of trying to untangle all Celeborn's hints and concealments. And still he is trying to put his point across.
I am glad Hrassa has been retrieved from confinement - and look forward to discovering what happens next to him.
Fascinating discussions. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Hrassa will spend time in conversation with Galadriel, too.
Author's reply
Hmm,'son-in-law' material. Celeborn saw his neice married to a peredhel and that didn't turn out so good for them, did it.
Well, Hrassa seems to be ready to let it go and rest his brain for now. Not that he will be allowed to for very long.
I know I get a kick out of this kind of stuff, but I am always surprised when someone else does! Galadriel has a special place in her heart for Hrassa. He became kinda like a her living keepsake of Celeborn at a very bad time in her life. But, that's another story. ];}
And it's back to Celebrimbor next chapter.
Thank you so much for reviewing.
perelleth
· 4 July 2005
· Chapter 7: A Simple Question
I loved this hint at why Hrassa had gone missing. Better to desert than to be forced to betray or lose faith. I can very well understand that! But now, Celeborn has to produce what he's being hiding upon his sleeve, for Hrassa is now close to dreakdown, I believe he's seeing only his own perseonal view, and judging by what his sense of prode allows him to see as fitting for his most esteemed prince, and that prevented him from seeing other truths Celebron is about to show him... and us!!!!
I can, too, imagine the kind of political turmoil in LIndon you're hinting at... except for the fact that everybody tends to assume that Gilgalad's court was dominated by haughty noldorin counsellors, while Tolkien says that most of the Noldor sailed away to Eressëa, and most of those who remained might have been of Noldorin and SInadrin mixed descent...(let's debate a bit:-)
All in all, your explanations are very convincingly laid out. I can imagine Oropher's resentment and Celeborn's own disapointment at being forced to leave Nenuial.
One thing that gives me pause, though, is this sentence, "neither Amdir nor Oropher acknowledge Gil-galad as their lord or ally" IF Ereinion's mother was an Elmoi, too, then Oropher's attitude, not acknowledging him as ally is a bit..callous, to say the least?
very intriguing and very well written. Chance that it won't take you two more months to update? ;-)
Author's reply
I am very glad you like this aspect of the story. It's tough reading about any of heroic character indulging in politics, casually or intensely.
Hmm, there is one passage in the Silm at the end of "Of the Voyage of Earendil", that says it for me. Starts with "Yet not all the Elda;ie were willing..." The Eldalie are all the elves that came to Beleriend and those that returned as well. They are the elves that took up the Great Journey. Cirdan and Celeborn ect. are mentioned as among those that stayed. Galadriel is pointed out as the only one of the leaders - that's the Finweans - of the Exiles who remained. I assume that all those others that survived and liked having become big fish in the Hither Lands (Galadriel's original motivation) where they had been little fish in Aman are good candidates as well as those who intermarried into the Sindarin population. And I personally think, some moriquendi would want to align themselves as calaquendi (a Celt becoming Romanized so to speak) and be considered one of them instead of a 'dark elf'.
As explained, Orodreth's wife left the Elmoi. Maybe if Gil-galad had not become the High King of the Noldor, both forest lords would have cut him some slack. Also, if it is not very clear, the Council tried to impose Amanyar laws on the Umanyar people of Harlindon. A big factor in driving Sindar east to lands where they could be themselves again. There is no common enemy to help Oropher or Amdir overlook that imposition. At least, not yet.
Oh dear, was it two months? I have to be candid and say I cannot work that fast when I am working on another story along with this one. But, I intend to have the next chapter posted before the short story. If that helps in any way.
Thank you for reviewing. It's very encouraging and most kind of you.
perelleth
· 4 July 2005
· Chapter 6: A Little Bird
Lovely relationship between Celebrimbor and Celebrían! He's such a pleasing uncle!And the girl has her own personality here, she's kind of glaadriel in short version, so amusing in her discerning and commanding attitudes! :-)
Laerlínath's game is very well prsented, attempts at flattering and gaining position in such a court, gossip and false smiles are perfectly rendered and well in place in such a city!
I bow tou your ability at writing details and situations, Redha, it is amazing how perfectly in place everything seems, almost effortlessly!!
Author's reply
Ah, but she's her daddy's girl too!
Just as long as you don't like Laerlinath herself too much!
Hmm, I guess once in a while I can talk a good game. ;) But, writing fiction is hard work for me and I am just such a snail... slimely trail and all.
You are so kind to review each chapter, thank you!
perelleth
· 4 July 2005
· Chapter 4: A Lordly Hunt
Wow! I enjoyed very much your description of the palace, and, above all, celebrimbor's artistic "restlessness", and his utter disregard for anything beyond his artistic pleasures. You've made him such a wonderful character! I particularly liked his reasoning for his not being better smith! Smart guy! And that remark about his relishing others' happiness...I think this suits well with a Nolodirn elf completely enthralled by a fair maiar offering healing for the ailments of arda, and makes Celerbimbor's demise even more painful. Good job!
Author's reply
Thank you so much for the compliments!
I actually like Celebrimbor very much and never thought of him as unlikable as so many other authors depict him. He has to have a few self-esteem issues, but does not have to deal with them by being overly-superior. Certianly, he has an artistic arrogance, but he has seen the same disdain practiced without any basis by his fellow artists and teachers. He has seen what Feanor's incredible obsessions and resentment did to him. Without those kind of people around him, Celebrimbor would be more content, it seems.
However, if talent is in his blood, so are some accompanying flaws. Which in my book, makes him all the braver at the end.
Thanks again for reviewing this chapter!
perelleth
· 4 July 2005
· Chapter 3: A Sad Demise
I like your suggestion that Celeborn and Galadriel had trouble conceiving children, don't ask me why, but it seems quite fitting to me. I cannot imagine how loved and cared for this Celebrían was, and we rarely get to glimpse their pain when she was attackd, and then sailed away...
Hrassa is such a steady, stubborn and resilient old one... it reminds me of those old servants in ancient families that keep the silver bright and shiny and are constantly reminding you of the "hows", and "whens", even when all protocol has long been abandoned...but yet his devotion to the line is heartrending, as it is his pain when he hears that the elmoi are no more... yes, exactly like the old butler who is sold away with the manor...poor one. I hope his wild blood help him shake a bit Celeborn's calm and composed facade! :-)
Author's reply
Hmm, most people are turned off by this idea. But, I too like it as an explanation where Tolkien simply needed a mother for Arwen.
Hrassa is not as old as all that! He was born in Beleriand and served Denethor, not Lenwe. But, he is a family servant, for sure. And yes, very important to Celeborn's wilder side too.
Thanks for the review!
perelleth
· 3 July 2005
· Chapter 2: A Quiet Cell
Oh! it is amazing how little we know of Celebrían ( a line or two ) and how well you have managed to depict her by delving into her parents' characters! Lively, stubborn, charming, caring, daring, she's plainly celeborn and galadriel's daughter, but also elrond's wife- to- be as well as Arwen's mother!I'm impresed!
I like this grim wood elf, who seems so stubbornly set on his loyalty to the elmoi! Celeborn has received a big surprise, but.. a nice one, too?
Author's reply
Wow, thanks! The ego is quite puffed up now. ;)
I think Celeborn likes having Hrassa come back. Though he may change his mind later...
Thanks for reviewing. I am glad you are finding it interesting.
perelleth
· 3 July 2005
· Chapter 1: A New City
Here I am, at last!
I love the description of the market, first, and the atmosphere in the city later on. You are very good at details of day to day life as well as building a believable background. I can see perefectly how the city went out of Celembrimbor hands in a moment. I agree taht he would be mainly interested in his craft and less worried by ( or apt for)ruling, and the discovery of that mother lode of Mithril was not an easy event to manage. I, too, like how you portray the subsequent chaos. It very much looks like the gold fever at the beginning of the xxth century! :-) and how the LOrd and the lady came to solve the problem. It is uncommon to read of Celebrimbor thinking of Celeborn and galadriel as "old friends" though, I don't think there was never cause for them to be such, Celebrimbor being, above all, a Feanorian... but I take it as part of the story, I don't find it disturbing at all....
btw, this Celebrían is so cute!;-)
Author's reply
Kind perelleth, I apologize the the late responses, but you know about the RL stuff. Thank you again for those much needed Hugs.
Thanks much, and I did have a 'gold rush' in mind writing parts of this.
In regards to C&G being friends with Celebrimbor...
Well, he has more reason to be a friend then not to be. There are only two factors to consider, he is Feanorian (as you pointed out) and he expresses a bit of jealously that Galadriel chose Celeborn over him. In the varying snippits in UT and Silm, he severes his ties to his family at Nargothrond and stays with Finarfin's kin. He probably lived there after Gondolin and before that defining incident. He would have met Celeborn when he was there visiting his lady, in-laws, or otherwise conducting business with Finrod. His pining for the Lady can be taken as courtly rather than passionate since he met her long before Celeborn and she still did not consider him for a husband. Not marrying does not seem any indication that he was fixed on her, considering the other characters that apparently also end up alone. Also, in one version, he is included in C&G's following and not on his own. Yes, he is seduced by Sauron until it gets down to the same moral fortitude he showed with his own father. Like Boromir, he will not be entirely lost to his obssessions, but be ultimatly faithful to his noble nature and redeemed. The very sort of person C&G would respect and, with persojnal observation of his own family to compare to that of other's, he would know exactly why Galadriel left everything behind and probably agreed with her.
Yeah, I guess you might say that Celebrian is cute... at least, most of the time. ;)
Thanks much for reading and reviewing.
Bodkin
· 3 July 2005
· Chapter 7: A Simple Question
Poor Hrassa - tortured by incongruous carnival music. How could Celeborn be so cruel?
Except for Galadriel. But, he knew that was because she had liked him at first sight. It suddenly occurred to him that maybe her daughter had reacted to him in much the same way. Good - there's more to Galadriel than spoilt Golodhrim and I'm glad Hrassa sees it! Perhaps she sees in Hrassa someone who recognises the same Celeborn that she does.
Don't you go dismissing Elrond though, Celeborn - or the fates might turn round and bite you in the foot and make him your son-in-law or something!
Only once had Gil-galad tried to do that to Galadriel. Only once. Now that is a confrontation I would like to see!
A tale of fragmentation and division. And like Hrassa, I am left groping to make sense of it all. More please - I need the complicated answer to the simple question to unravel - lots of pieces have been laid out, but I need Celeborn to assemble them into some kind of order. Are we talking eminences grises, powers behind the throne, making things happen without the need for thrones? Power from the people; held but not imposed directly? I need to read again from the beginning. And have some more chapters.
Are they planning on escaping the prison yard? Hrassa would probably feel more at ease if the guard didn't keep popping out as if he was a threat. He might be, I suppose, but he's not that kind of threat.
Enjoyable - tantalising - more soon, please.
Author's reply
I do apologize for the very late response, but you know about that RL stuff.
Ha! Alliteration! Love it! I really liked that other phrase you used in your Ripe for Change response as well: "responsibilities that outrank romance".
Galadriel can see into people hearts, can she not? ;) Something in there pleased her.
Well, Celeborn has not completely written off Elrond, not yet, I think.
I doubt it was on the same paar as Feanor's and Fingolfin's confrontation. Seeing as Celeborn might easily step back and calmly offer an equal - and more direct - threat. And, who knows what might happen if the cappo of the nothrim decided, like Thingol, to call for some santions against the young king. Much better to stay on friendly terms. ;)
Next chapter will continue their discussion. Talk...talk...talk... and still little enlightenment...
I agree with you that they simply cannot stay where they are. Anyway, Celebrimbor would be put out royal to have to track them down here.
I simply cannot get over your liking this story!
Bodkin
· 13 May 2005
· Chapter 6: A Little Bird
That was a very elven 'toss-the-baby-in-the-air' moment. More juggle with her! While she squealed with delight. This is a wonderful relationship of love and trust between Celebrian and Celebrimbor. Child and elf lord both disregarding protocol and just being happy to play together.
Unfortunately - under the spiteful and speculating eye of the gossip-mongering, place-seeking, social-climbing elves who just can't bear to believe that sometimes it is impossible to find scandal because there is no scandal to be found. I haven't taken to Laerlínath at all.
And I'm interestingly outraged by all the speculation about Celebrian's parents - although I have to agree with Aurthôn. Anyone who thinks that Celebrimbor is the father of this silver-haired elfling needs his/her head examined. Although the throwaway suggestion that she could be Amroth's sister is clever.
You are doing a wonderful job at making the Noldor immigrants seem arrogant and only too willing to accept all the kind of 'baby-eating' rumours that so many colonists seem to adopt about the indigenous peoples. Grr - I can feel steam starting to rise!
I'm intrigued to know why mention of Hrassa can take the smile from Celebrimbor's face. And delighted at Celebrian's enquiry as to whether she can keep him (as her bowman, of course. Certainly not as a pet.) And I half-hope (only half, because it would be unpleasantly cynical, even of an elfling) that Celebrian is taking Laerlínath with her to Galadriel for head-removal surgery.
And Celebrimbor is scheming to have Aurthôn become friends with Hrassa. I can't imagine why! But I'm fairly certain that Laerlínath won't like that at all. Actually, that's a good enough reason for me. Probably not Celebrimbor's though.
This has really left me hungry for more. What happens next? I want to know!
Author's reply
Most people want to see Celeborn and Celebrimbor at each others throat when there is no reason, at least not until much later, for that to be so. And in UT, Celebrimbor never seems to actively dislike anyone. He's generally an OK guy. In one version, he is actually one of C&G's followers.
Laerlinath rubs you the wrong way? :) Cool! She does sorta represent some of the reasons C&G eventually have to leave Eregion.
Well, in my view of things, Amroth is Amdir's son period. LOTR trumps UT. I had to throw it though. Gil-galad is not the only elven-king with excursive origns.
Some would disagree with me about bringing the Galadhrim to Eregion instead of Galadriel bringing it's culture to them. But, Tolkien is quite clear that the Silvan in the both Greenwood and Goldenwood are influeced by Sindar culture with some Noldor followers tagging along. And I simply cannot see the Nandor accepting Galadriel without Celeborn's aegis.
Celebrian is a clever child which can be a sore trial for everyone when not properly guided. I have a feeling her ada, and her naneth, would be very indulgent if only they could be. After all, she did get Hrassa arrested, didn't she? And escaped her guard on a whim to check on her prize. Who knows how long she would have taken to go to her mother if her uncle had not set her on her way. Typical smart kid, if you ask me, and as capable as her grandtwins will be. They didn't get it all from Galadriel...
Hrassa has history with this family and Celebrimbor is part of the family. That's the answer to their relationship. They both care about C&G and now Celebrian.
As to the next chapter, sorry but back with Hrassa and Celeborn still working out their relationship after so long an absence.
Thank you for reviewing. We mean to entertain and its good to know when we do.
Bodkin
· 1 May 2005
· Chapter 5: A Strange Debate
I'm glad you found this chapter even a bit interesting.
More than a bit. (I like debate.)
I've (intelligently?) noticed a pattern to the chapter titles, too.
Bodkin
· 29 April 2005
· Chapter 5: A Strange Debate
That's a very strong reaction to being trapped - I can't imagine how bad it must have been for elves like Hrassa to be imprisoned by the Big Nasties of ME. They can't have remained sane/alive for very long.
I love Celeborn and his tongue-twister - nice lightening of the mood.
The royalty thing is fascinating - because it's all linked in with the noblesse oblige bit. Who is royal - the ones who tell you they are? Royalty imposed? Or those who are claimed by those ruled? Royalty chosen? It would seem that the Elmoi are unable to set aside their obligation to protect and direct, even if they want to.
Although Celeborn would, it would seem, be able to accept it better if Hrassa would only concede that, as Olwe's granddaughter, Galadriel is in the magic circle - by right rather than just (reluctantly) by marriage.
I love this - 'As part of his odd humility, he did not seek the affection or approval of everyone he met. Therefore, to many he seemed careless of their feelings. Hrassa would say that they came to that judgment by unknowingly wanting to find favor with the Lord only to feel rejected. So disaffection and disapproval were what his prince often received.'
It's such a good explanation of why Celeborn stands back and lets his wife get the superficial glory.
I really enjoy seeing these two together - and how their relationship develops. Hrassa seems a bit one-sided in his views - and I can't see him taking to Celebrimbor much. Or the Lady whose name I have forgotten. But he should make things interesting.
I'll have to read again to pick up more nuances. Good chapter.
Author's reply
Well, claustrophobia can be controlable when you are prepared for it. When you know you cannot take it, you avoid it. As a group, the Laegrim tended to retreat into the forest rather than fortresses. There was a recent story by Soledad where she explores a long confinement and it is not for the faint-hearted.
*g* I just think the quendi would appreciate word games and puns. If they were more into actually keeping pets, parrots would propably be their first choice. Especially for the Falarthrim. Yoho. :)
Being american, royalty and leadership are both interesting to me. I think there are two factors that still play a big part in shaping our social order. The instinctual understanding that certain talents come with the chosen breed and the advantages of a familial apprenticeship. (Just as a bad simile... There are real differences between a working dog, a lap dog, and a show dog. One of which is that a good working dog is driven to do his job.)
Yes, I think young Galadriel wanted glory. Her first real lesson in the difference between renown and respect was the Helcaraxe. She has not yet learned her last lesson. However unlike Artanis, I think Celeborn did not have to compete in court with his older sibling or cousins the way she did and simply turned out somewhat indifferent to it. That doesn't mean he doesn't like having things his way.
Thank so much for reading and commenting. And not being too angry at Hrassa for being prejudice in return against the Noldor. I'm glad you found this chapter even a bit interesting.
Larner
· 23 April 2005
· Chapter 4: A Lordly Hunt
I find myself enjoying this hunt myself. Ah, the politics of ruling!
Author's reply
I very glad to hear that. :) Love, Religion, and Politics. We argue about them because they are important. We read about them because they are entertaining. We write about them because they are interesting. But, only in the order they are listed and politics is definitely last.
Thanks for the review!
Sophia Silfaery
· 22 April 2005
· Chapter 4: A Lordly Hunt
In addition to saying how much I enjoy this story and how wonderful I think it is, I would just like to express my utter astonishment that it hasn't had more reviews. You write so well and conjour up the atmosphere in which your characters move with amazing clarity. Well done!
Author's reply
I have said it to other authors and I try to take my own advice. You must write because you want to tell a story, not for reviews. They are only the gravy.
That said, I admit that when I go to KFC, I always order an extra gravy.
Now, *you* should be working on *your* Celebrimbor! Put up another chapter and I'll bring a whole pint from KFC or Boston Market if you prefer. :)
Thank you for the compliments! I really appreciate them and your review.
Bodkin
· 22 April 2005
· Chapter 4: A Lordly Hunt
Well - at least the note at the top let me know that Hrassa and Celeborn were too busy reuniting to stop by here!
I'm not sure I like Laerlínath. She seems a bit too much of a social climbing snobby type. Unless she grows on me, I'm rather going to hope that she gets well squashed by the Lady Galadriel. She seems to be giving Aurthôn rather a hard time - and I'm not really too keen on 'girlish'.
On the other hand, I'm taking to Celebrimbor. He seems to have a pretty good understanding of his own strengths and weaknesses and is prepared to let other people do what they are good at.
And I love the idea of the three of them having trouble with 'whiny bourgeoisie with clout'. And, actually, picturing elves who are not lords or their staff but who are bourgeois. (Elven society so often doesn't seem to have any depth or breadth.) But perhaps Celeborn should watch who is exposed to his sharp tongue - 'worse than wealthy dwarves', indeed. How to alienate two races in one simile. It's great to see Celeborn keeping two descendants of Finwe in line with his line in sarcasm.
'He always did enjoy the happiness of others as though it were his own.' What a nice Celebrimbor. I agree with Galadriel. Generosity of spirit would certainly draw a line between Celebrimbor and his father / grandfather.
This chapter certainly has my curiosity aroused. I hope it's not too long before it's satisfied!
Author's reply
Sorry about switching scenes. But, there are a great many people in Celebrian's life and Hrassa and Celeborn have a lot to talk about.
*Sigh* Laerlinath is who she is, but Aurthon loves her dearly so I cannot be too mean to her.
Everyone gets down on poor Celebrimbor for being Feanorionath. Tolkien tells us he has a conscious and he still fell under Annatar's influence. So, he was swayed, but only up to the point his inate goodness would be compromised. After all, he did break with his family over right and wrong, not greed or ambition. He is destined to atone for giving into temptation as will Boromir in a later age.
I think one reason people react badly to what Celeborn says is that what he says is usually very true. And who wants to hear the truth about themselves?
Eregion had to be based on trade and that means middle-men and shopkeepers. I like to think of it as a Renaissance Italy in Arda. Acceleration of the arts and sciences is almost just a side-effect. Heh, I can easily imagine a Romeo&Juliet affair between two Amanyar and Umanyar families with the Lord and Lady simply trying to keep the two sides from killing eachother, all set in the midst of an opulant society. 'She does teach the stars to burn bright' Ah, but I have already be chasitized for the eldar-violence going beyond the pale.
I am in the process of polishing the next chapter, but it is a tough one. Absolutely no plot development, just talking... talking... talking...
Thank for reviewing. I appreciate it very much.
Bodkin
· 8 April 2005
· Chapter 3: A Sad Demise
Oops. Elmo's line, certainly.
(But isn't Elmo's line part of Elu's house? His is the senior line of the family - it's really quite complicated deciding when a line becomes a house. Because I wouldn't consider Olwe's family to be part of Elu's house, even though he, too, is a younger brother. But Elmo stayed behind . . .)
Bodkin
· 7 April 2005
· Chapter 3: A Sad Demise
Oh, I do love this. Hrassa might be tough, but standing up to Celeborn when he's playing intimidating is clearly not easy. Of course he's a bit side-tracked by the presence of little Celebrian.
Who would have thought being punished by Galadriel would be a relief compared to being on the wrong side of her Ada! But Celebrian certainly seems to think so - and Hrassa is in agreement.
And after all - what's 500 years to an elf! Hrassa just wanted to go walkabout - but he simply can't resist little silver-haired ellyth of Elu's house. She snagged him!
Even though he was . . . sort of faded? 'I am sure you chose to let her see you.' References to being lost? And madness? And now he's back and things have changed - but there is still Celeborn and an elleth of his house.
I look forward to discovering more.
Author's reply
It's great to have you taking an interest in this tale. Hrassa does like to let people think he is... unsophisticated.
Well, Celebrian obviously thinks she can get around her naneth more easily than her adar.
Elu?! I hope you meant to say Elmo! Elu's children are all dark-haired like Melian. Hrassa was never a bowman to Thingol. And we have yet to see if Hrassa will remain in *anyone's* custody.
I am sure that if wood-elves can seem invisible in the forest there is no reason to think they cannot do the same in just about any environment. Maybe they go into some crazy sort of 'non-entity mode'. Hrassa lost? Yeah, right. You know, sometimes you just have to take what someone says at face value. If you press too hard, you may not like what you hear.
But, I think you are right. Hrassa would not have stopped to check Celebrian out so closely if she were not an elleth like Nimloth. A little ellon would have only reminded him that there were still Sindar princes in Ennor.
Thank you for reviewing - again!
Larner
· 6 April 2005
· Chapter 3: A Sad Demise
I find the story so far to be fascinating and exceedingly well written. It is wonderful to see the realm of Eregion detailed in this manner, the history of Celeborn so examined.
Author's reply
Thank you! I blush. Now, if I can just keep it going...