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| Elf, Interrupted: Book Two: Glorfindel's Quest by Fiondil | 15 Review(s) |
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| 6336 | Reviewed Chapter: 63 on 6/21/2009 |
| I think that the Re-born and the Returnees who followed Feaonaro feel like released prisoners, they have served their time but now have to integrate back into society. Getting acceptance from Olwe will go a long way to helping Calapharn. Does he have relatives in Aman or Tol Ereassea? I may be reading too much into it, but did Pelendur, maybe, want to go with his son, or does he envy him for going off and living his life the way he wanted to? Pelendur and Haldir will have time to talk, having other people to talk to as well will help them a lot. Haldir and Wilwarin have plenty of time to start making Elflings, think of all the practicing they can do! More please, Lynda Author Reply: Yes, I'm sure you are correct, Lynda, about how the Reborn and Returnees must feel, especially those who were involved in the Kinslayings. Celepharn, being a Noldo, most likely has relatives living in Aman, but possibly he will feel more comfortable living on Tol Eressëa. Certainly, if there is not as much acceptance among the Amanians, he would not want to live there. We'll have to see how it all develops. Under normal circumstances, of course, he would have been released from Lórien somewhat later than he was (and I suspect that Irmo will want his Reborn back before they are officially released *grin*), but who would be there to welcome him, I'm not sure. I think Pelendur wasn't jealous so much as he was frustrated. He had specific plans for his son's career that went by the wayside with the Rebellion. He himself, had no desire to leave Tirion and, as mentioned in EI1, he refused to join the Host of the West when Arafinwë led the Amaneldi to Beleriand during the War of Wrath. And now, of course, Haldir has no intention of 'picking up where he left off'. He has his own life on Tol Eressëa and Pelendur cannot, at this time, accept this. | |
| Sunny | Reviewed Chapter: 63 on 6/21/2009 |
| The burdens of kingship... having to let others go off and have fun... Now, I really, truly, definitely like Olwë here – his interaction with Celepharn to be specific. This will certainly bring additional healing to the “young” Noldo: Hearing Námo’s “All judgments are rendered, all debts paid” quoted by _the King of the Teleri_, and then being _accepted_ by him must be almost beyond belief. Particularly as he took part in at least two Kinslayings. Did Haldir meet with Glorfindel in EI1. I can’t remember anything special there. Though he had that truly spectacular confrontation with his father! Arafinwë is obviously determined to see a reconciliation between Haldir and Pelendur. One bit is political: He is equally obviously determined to see that the Reborn and the returnees is accepted into Noldorin society in Aman. Which means that having a high-ranking official in his court blatantly _not_ accepting his Reborn son is something he very much _doesn’t_ want. So he has started a campaign to reeducate Pelendur – who IMO needs it badly. “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.” And I think there is a fair bit of pride in his attitudes towards his son – along with a refusal to see his son as an individual in his own right, with his own wants and needs – and not an extension of himself. And I am sure there are quite a number of _interesting_ lessons lying in wait for the ellon. There are a couple of small ones in the meeting here already - "His name is whatever he chooses it to be", and the hint of future grandkids. I must smile a bit at Gwilwileth’s theory that having elflings will hasten help Haldir to mature. I can just about see him, when he has been sent to retrieve the elflings, busily making mud pies. _I_ think he would more likely end up crouching in the mud himself, making mud pies along with them!! Author Reply: Hi, Sunny. I'm glad you like Olwë here. His attitude towards Celepharn should go a long way towards helping the Reborn to find acceptance and know that their past 'sins' are not counted against them. Haldir, of course, did meet Glorindel in EI1, since they participated in the New Year Tournament together. At the time I wrote EI1 I wasn't fully aware that Haldir was a member of Glorfindel's House, so I never showed them being reunited. I will probably address this issue during the Progress, as I'm sure Pelendur will be asking Glorfindel some pointed questions about his son. And naturally, Arafinwë's concerns are as much political as they are familial. He remembers how many of his high-ranking courtiers treated Finrod when that ellon returned to them and does not want a repeat. You're probably right about Haldir ending up 'helping' the elflings with their mud-pies. *lol* But ask most (human) wives and they will tell you that their husbands are as much children as their actual children are, so I doubt Gwilwileth will be too surprised by Haldir's actions. | |
| Rhyselle | Reviewed Chapter: 63 on 6/21/2009 |
| I really liked Arafinwe here. :) And the hints of things that will ultimately be revealed in future chapters and in the Darkening fic we are all looking so forward to. In particular, I found myself caught up in Celepharn's conversation with Olwe--and I was so darn proud of the Telerin king that he truly could forgive, and could reassure Celepharn. If the Teleri can learn to forgive the kinslayers, then the rest of the Amani should be able to as well. I did like it that Pelendur and Haldir weren't reconciled completely... that would have rung false after the way Pelendur has been treating his son. But it was good to see him finally being willing to obey his king, and actively get to know the ellon his son has become. And now there's dinner and dinner guests to look forward to... *grin* Well done, as always! Author Reply: Hi, Rhyselle. I'm glad you liked both Arafinwë and Olwë here. Hopefully their stories as to what happened to them during the Darkening will be told soon enough. An immediate reconciliation between Pelendur and Haldir would have rung false indeed. In real life, such reconciliation does not happen overnight but over time as both parties let go of their (perceived) hurts and allow the other person to be who they are, not what each wants the other to be. Pelendur needs to see 'Haldir' rather than 'Halatiro', but that's going to take a while. At least the first step towards reconciliaton has been taken and that's the important thing. And there will be more than just these unexpected guests for dinner, but just who else will show up would be telling. *grin* Thanks for your review, Rhyselle. I appreciate it very much. | |
| njomo | Reviewed Chapter: 63 on 6/21/2009 |
| Hi Fiondil, Wow, talk about dropping a bombshell in the middle of this chapter! I expected to learn something about Haldir... I don't know why I was so surprised, but I was. I think when I read earlier that Haldir died in the attack on Gondolin, I figured he died sometime before the the last group escaped. And for some reason, I did not expect Haldir to have been one of Glorfindel's captains, but in retrospect-well, why should he not be? Pelendur's obstinacy is understandable but chilling none-the-less. "Still, in the end, what did it get you?" Pelendur demanded of Haldir. That sent chills down my back, as well as Haldir's description of his own death. One hopes that with time the two will be able to reconcile, but if not at least maybe they understand each other better than before. Interesting comment by Arafinwë about what happened on his return to Tirion and where he was during the darkening. One wonders what assumptions he made, but I know...we'll find out later if not sooner. It will be worth the wait, I am sure! And in the meantime, it gives me something to chew over. I really liked Olwë's interaction with Celepharn, and Olwë's admission that it took him a long time to work through his anger and grief. "All judgments are rendered, all debts paid," indeed. Not easy being a reborn, expecting the other shoe to drop all the time. This will bring Celepharn one step further along the way, I think, knowing Olwë holds no grudges. But one wonders whether he'll go through this with every person he meets that might somehow have been harmed by his actions in his previous life. Not at all an envious place to be in. All in all quite a marvelous chapter--so full of surprises! Thanks Fiondil, Joanne Author Reply: Hi, Joanne. When I first introduced Haldir way back in Book One, I only knew he died at the fall of Gondolin, but not how, until now. So, his story is something of a surprise for everyone, including me. *grin* Pelendur is indeed obstinant but hopefully during the Progress he will start to see his son in a different and more positive light. One can only hope. Eventually we will learn about Arafinwë's apprenticeship with Manwë during the time of the Darkening (Eru and the Muse willing!). In the meantime, feel free to speculate to your heart's content. *grin* Olwë has had his own demons to conquer and we will see something of that in the Darkening story as well. He has had over a millennium to come to terms with what happened. Celepharn, of course, like many of the Reborn, fear that they will be paying for their past deeds for a very long time, even though the Valar themselves have forgiven him. Hopefully, Olwë's example will clue others in on how to treat the Reborn in their midst. Glad you enjoyed the chapter, Joanne. Thanks for letting me know. I greatly appreciate it. | |
| Kaylee Arafinwiel | Reviewed Chapter: 63 on 6/21/2009 |
| And...I'm up way past my bedtime again. *snicker* But I just HAD to wait for this, especially since I wouldn't get to read it in the morning. *pauses* Well. It is the morning. Past midnight. But anyway. Yes yes yes, his name is HALDIR. And Hallatiro is a good name, but I like Haldir better. *nods* Pelendur and Haldir have a lot to talk about and I am sure they will at least try to come to an understanding. It will be good for them; not just for them, but for all the families of the Reborn and Returnees who need reconciliation with their loved ones. And yes, plenty of time for making elflings. *lol* I hope Haldir's amme will see her husband and son come back fully reconciled. Now, if there could just be a toning down of Amarie's amme's attitude... Can't wait to see what happens next! Oh, and Happy Father's Day, meldonya! *hugs* Tye-melin, atarinya indonya. (And being that it's past midnight, I probably constructed that wrong...the word is "indo" in Quenya apparently...here. http://folk.uib.no/hnohf/vocab.htm *snugs* ~Kaylee! Author Reply: Hi, Kaylee. Hopefully, this time together will be beneficial for both Haldir and Pelendur. That is certainly what Arafinwë is hoping. As he pointed out, others will take their cue as how to act towards their own Reborn or Returned children by how Pelendur and others high in Arafinwë's government act. And thanks for the Father's Day greetings. If what you were trying to say was 'father of my heart' then you were pretty close. It would actually be 'atar indonyo'. Tye-melin, yendë indonya. *hugs* | |